The progressive caucus is being laughed at by Nancy Pelosi, who joined with Rahm Emanuel to give the Blue Dogs everything they want:
Sensing that the Blue Dogs had dug in for a prolonged fight, Pelosi and Emanuel gave in to most demands in order to get the legislation moving again. They essentially decided that it was better to pick a fight with their liberal flank, where Pelosi remains popular and where loyalty to Obama is strongest, particularly in the Congressional Black Caucus.
Despite threats from almost 60 progressive House Democrats — who outnumber the Blue Dogs — Pelosi defended the compromise, saying it was similar to one backed by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.). Pelosi predicted that the liberal wing would fall in line because the legislation is so important to them.
"Are you asking me, ‘Are the progressives going to take down universal, quality, affordable health care for all Americans?’ I don’t think so," Pelosi told reporters Friday, breaking into laughter at the question.
Just as troublesome as the internal House divisions is the burgeoning distrust among House Democrats, their Senate counterparts and the White House.
Pelosi acknowledged that "there are concerns" in her caucus that the White House, namely their former colleague Emanuel, takes House Democrats for granted. House lawmakers are being encouraged to pass the most liberal bill possible, she said, while the White House works on a bipartisan compromise with a select group of senators.
"It’s no secret," Pelosi said, "that members sometimes think: ‘Why do I always read in the paper that they’re checking with the Finance Committee all the time? What does that mean, that they just want to know what’s happened with the Finance Committee? What about the [Senate health] committee? What about our committees over here?’ "
Sixty liberals signed their names to a letter pledging to join together to oppose the bill if the Blue Dogs got to hack true cost control measures out. They gave a press conference and said they "simply cannot vote" for a proposal that reduced subsidies to low and middle-income families, which "would impose an unfunded mandate on the states to pay for what were to have been federal costs."
"In short, this agreement will result in the public, both as insurance purchasers and as taxpayers, paying ever higher rates to insurance companies," said the letter.
Obama picked up the phone and called Jan "bail" Schakowsky:
Within hours of the liberal complaints, Obama was on the phone with Rep. Jan Schakowsky, a fellow Illinois Democrat and Energy and Commerce member who is in charge of the healthcare issue for the Progressive Caucus.
He told her the bill should go forward, Schakowsky said.
And the next thing you know, they settled for a symbolic floor vote on Single Payer before the end of the year:
Congressman Anthony Weiner (D-NY), Co-Chair of the Middle Class Caucus and member of the Energy & Commerce Committee who led the effort with Rep. Tammy Baldwin (D-WI); Rep. Mike Doyle (D-PA); Rep. Elliot Engel (D-NY); Rep. Rep. Bobby Rush (D-IL); Rep. Janice Schakowsky (D-IL); and Rep. Peter Welch (D-VT), released the following statement:
“Single-payer is a better plan and now it is on center stage. Americans have a clear choice. Their Member of Congress will have a simpler, less expensive and smarter bill to choose. I am thrilled that the Speaker is giving us that choice.”
Schakowsky’s role in any progressive coalition seems to undermine it at the first chance. She has a long history of leading the sell-out on a variety of issues, for really dubious reasons. Now that Obama is trying to sell co-ops as a public plan, I think we can see where this is headed.
Nobody takes the progressive caucus seriously, and rightfully so. They do nothing but make idle threats that they don’t follow through on.
If people in their districts don’t start screaming and demanding that they stand up, we’re looking at a health care bill with "co-ops" that will be nothing but a bail out of the insurance industry.
They’re pathetic.





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Another sad report on Monday – shit this recess is going to be the worst damn thing ever. I am a proud Progressive but I am not a ‘weak ass’ and get yelled at constantly for saying if we don’t throw out the weak-ass members that always cave then we will always be taken for granted. I support Jane 100% and I know she takes tons of shit from people supposedly on the Democratic Side but I reiterate what Jane often says ‘FUCK’EM’. Our goal over the next months needs to be of a singular focus and that is to ’scare the shit’ out of the Progressive Caucus that we in the Progressive Community (Netroots) will hang their asses at the polls if they CAVE. We need them to fully understand that we are not going to complain about the ‘Blue Dogs’, ‘New Democrats’, or ‘Repugs’ – if the bill passes with a ‘weak sauce’ public option – they are FUCKED.
So again I say: No Robust Public Option – No Reelection – No Kidding!
Until there is single payer the “reform” is merely an illusion. Right now it’s looking like wing nuts, birthers, teabaggers, Republicans and corporatists have a strategy to disrupt townhall meetings around the country. Obama and the Dems once again have underestimated the real enemy and have been outflanked. Would not be surprised that when Congress returns even the notion of “reform” will be d.o.a..
Stop being so PC Nancy, Rahm takes Liberal Votes for granted especially African American and Hispanic ones is what you meant to say.
So the Blue Dogs are against cost control measures and these are the self proclaimed budget hawks?
So the Left says tax payers even if they are poor deserve to have the same healthcare benefits paid for by the Feds as rich people?
And the Blue Dogs are against that?
these are the same “budget hawks” who willingly gave $26B of our tax dollars to bail out European Banks w/ HR 2346
all 7 of them are clinging to the F-22
none of the 7 have ever voted against a single Defense Appropriation
their combined pork totals for the 111th Congress is $240.3M, up from last year’s $155.6M (w/ $199.5 of it from Ross)
This can not be stated more clearly – it is often not said but it is so true. I feel that Rahm has a total lack of respect these particular groups. As long as he keeps the ’southern white males’ happy within the Blue Dog Caucus he is good to go.
These disruptions might turn into fistacuffs.
I don’t know what they don’t call for massive public demonstration with kick ass speeches.
Will the MSM ignore that? Will rethugs try to disrupt?
Time for a new head of the Progressive Caucus? Lets kill this Obama takes the blame our Progressive’s are in very safe proObama districts if they tell their voters it was a bad bill well progressive voters wanted healthcare a bill that short changes middle class and poor people and would make the States pay assuming the states would pay would not fly well.
Some states like Texas probably would not pay leading to healthcare immigrants. Just like Wisconsin a high benefits state a few years back was complaining about welfare immigrants from Illinois a lower benefits state.
Yes
Jane,
Thanks for this.
For clarification, your lead sentence begins
“The progressive caucus is being laughed at Nancy Pelosi,… “
Shouldn’t there be a “by” before “Nancy Pelosi”???
Thanks,
Bob in HI
The Senate is still in session and doing the dirty work for the Medical Industrial Complex.
mcconnell $3.3M, hatch $2.9M, baucus $2.8M, grassley $2.7M,
lieberman $2.6M, burr $2.4M, ensign $2.4M, cornyn $2.2M, kyl $2.1, conrad $2.1M, cantor $1.8M boehner $1.7M, coburn $1.2M were
paid by the Medical Industrial Complex to kill Health Care Reform.
Follow the Money: Link
Call Congress and demand, Single-Payer Health Care for All!
Sign Single-Payer Petition: Link
The Medical Industrial Complex doesn’t take vacations in August. Keep up the good fight.
SEMPER FI!
Progressive members of Congress is a true Oxymoron. With emphasis on the last five letters.
This time I am going to blame the Progressives if they wimp out, but I am also going to blame my single payer friends who are refusing to help me to hold the Progressives’ feet to the fire, by making calls and asking for them to pledge. Especially the ones who say that the public option stands in the way of ‘their reform’. Like there is a bill in the House that has passed through the fires of three committees which eliminates the health insurance industry??
Nice talking point very nice now if we could just get some equal time media coverage in this debate we might see it get used. The Fake Dems on the News just roll over they don’t fight and they never come up with good talking points unless the Blogs have repeated them screaming for weeks.
But the Media Dems are our *cough* leaders.
Jane “Schakowsky’s role in any progressive coalition seems to undermine it at the first chance.”
One huge reason not to support her in a run for a Senate seat.
For those of us who are single payer advocates and there are millions of us moving from single payer to public option is enough of a compromise.
How low will Emmanuel and Pelosi sink? We know Emmanuel was all ready pushing for protecting the profit margins of the Insurance companies.
How many will join the “War on Health Care” that Bill Kristol and the Republicans are leading?
I strongly suspect that the Senate is the big roadblock here.
Any idea how much Voinovich has received? Can’t imagine that Senator Sherrod Brown gets much?
When the fat cats from the Insurance companies visited the White House who did they chat with? Emmanuel?
Keeping Southern White Males happy does seem like something Rahm likes doing. Rahmbo likes the nickname but when hasn’t he bent over and turned democratic ideals inside out just to keep a Southern White Male Happy?
When has Rahmbo ever stood up for a principle by himself?
The self proclaimed Machiavelli for a Chicago Politician has all the stealth of drunk frat boy, the cunning of a GOPer lying about how well the war is going and the obviousness of a drunk blond alone at closing time.
Jane Hamsher,
Do you have an e-mail I can send something to, hush-hush on the Q-T?
Thanks, Bob! Fixed.
Jan is bending over in exchange for Rahm/ mayor Daley’s Machine support Rahm beat her in a race with Daley’s help and like McCain hugging Bush after the Bush campaign called his adopted kid his black bastard Jan has given up.
She is not a progressive she’s a Daley vote!
“Single-payer or nothing” is unrealistic and childish. A public option is as good as it’s going to get, and it’ll be light-years ahead of what we have now. Instead of condemning everyone who doesn’t fall behind single-payer, let’s concentrate on getting what we can.
He seems to be much more likely to attack people who are supposed to be on his side, doesn’t he?
That’s why I loved it when Al Franken took the bark off of Swift-Boat financier (and water-rights scammer) T. Boone Pickens last week. He picks the right targets.
They need a leader not the official leader but someone willing to make a stand rally the troops make a head count and make deals and threats.
If enough Progressives start voting present then close bills don’t pass. If they do this at the start of the legislative session allot of stuff does not get passed.
Until they get a guarantee on a vote for their Healthcare bill no last minute amendments allowed with a guarantee the votes will be their to pass it.
Plus veto power in House Senate negotiations.
“So again I say: No Robust Public Option – No Reelection – No Kidding!”
Personally, I would put Pelosi at the top of this list. She needs to take some serious heat, as does her counterpart in the Senate, Harry “Milquetoast” Reid. Just reprehensible.
Of course “single payer” would be considered childish, after all American sensibilities are so delicate they are willing to settle for shit and think there must be a pony somewhere in the room.
Missed that one is Texas still going to upgrade their power lines for T-Boone’s windmills? I heard T-Boone was scaling back or slowing down his windmill project.
Why did the bank collapse and or the drop in oil prices hurt him?
Oh well. Can’t get too upset, guys. I’m sure everything will be different when EFCA comes up…. Right????????????Um………. if EFCA comes up??????????????
The vote on the Wiener substitute amendment will only be as “symbolic” as the public makes it.
If the public really does want single-payer, now it the time for them to whi support for the Wiener amendment. How determined are single-payer or bust proponents willing to do something to get this amendment passed?
And how willing are strong public option opponents to support this effort in order to move the debate toward single-payer and away from co-ops?
Seems to me that we would rather debate each other than get out and get it done.
NO ROBUST PUBLIC OPTION – NO REELECTION – NO BULLSHIT
The Blue Dogs the press says have to go GOP on healthcare they are in swing districts. Sure on guns but on Healthcare many of their voters don’t have healthcare if they don’t produce healthcare then they will stay home.
Obama better hope he produces on the economy then because those seats will be lost.
Funny the GOP bends over backwards for their 20%ers and so do our Blue dogs for that matter. But poor and Minority voters came out in droves this election young people came too because they believed.
Older Lefties like me always go:)
Go ahead Blue Dogs, Rahm, Obama give up and sell us short on healthcare the GOP is betting you will they are betting that if you do you will be a one term President.
Linky? I missed that, somehow.
What are the odds that the co-ops go bust and the government bails them out to effectively create a single-payer option? Is this possible? I’m really lost here. Obama surely understands the issues, but his staff are not weighing in. The budget cannot handle subsidized private insurance, in which the private companies skim the cream while the public pays for the dregs. It’s like the banking bail-out.
Keep up the good fight. I’m sure glad I live in Canada.
I want a tax deduction for anal lube, I am real tired of getting fucked in the ass dry by these sonsabitches.
S@P 500 tops 1,000 first time in 9 months. Wallstreet is rising even though they know we are going to pass healthcare I bet the business media never makes that connection. Still healthcare is 10% 20%? of a big firm’s cost how much would the Obama plan save them on costs?
Now then how much would our plan save them on costs? What part of the economy is bigger Health Care, Drug Companies, Insurance companies or everyone who pays for healthcare?
The benefits to the economy are as Obvious as Rahm trying to be sneaky!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..BTKRxPP5AM
Maybe they go bust and the insurance companies buy them and they take healthcare private under the Jeb Bush administration?
“Something is better than nothing.”
“Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”
“Help us convince congress to pass the best healthcare reform legislation they can for now, and then help us work on reforming the legislation in the future. We may never have this chance again!”
Hm. Well.
I don’t doubt the progressive caucus is hearing these same nostrums — the same ones we, the people hear all the time — in a concerted effort to get enough of them to go along with… whatever comes out of conference… to get something up and running eventually.
As Ezra and others have pointed out, the key provisions are those mandating coverage for everyone (at whatever cost is eventually negotiated); restricting insurance companies from refusing to cover or denying coverage to individuals; subsidies for those who can’t afford the freight.
That’s basically it from a policy standpoint, and there is widespread agreement that’s what critically needs to happen. So long as they are paid, apparently the insurance companies are OK with these basics. They will, however, fight the creation of a public option to the death. And they have got a lot of bought and paid for Democratic congresscritters ready to kill any bill that forces “government healthcare” down our precious throats.
Some members of the Progressive Caucus bluster a little bit, but Rahm and such figure they can peel off enough of them when the time comes (based on much experience, after all) to get whatever harebrained scheme comes out of committee and conference passed and on to the President’s desk for an historic signing sometime in September/October, as long as the right wing hysterics can be neutralized.
And they’ve found that a great big fat payout to the corporate/insurance interests will calm the hysterics nicely. If there can’t be a public option, either, oh well.
“Something is better than nothing.”
Like Medicare Part D.
“Don’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.”
Nancy sez: EFCA, SCHMEFCA. Rahm concurs.
Pelosi needs the heat on her turned up to 11. She’s just god-awful, as is Reid. Both of them are sellouts, plain and simple.
I hope nothing passes. It’s quite clear that nothing good is ever going to come out of a corrupt Congress.
There is no champion of the people in this administration. I have already unsubscribed from all Democratic email lists. Beginning the Long Tune-Out now…
I am completely f#%$^^ing disgusted with the Dems. With the seats gained in 2006 and the “takeover” in 2008 they have done nothing but cowtow to the republicans and the “center right” element of the party. I have canceled all of my subscriptions to any of the Democratic party candidates, Dem party congress members and the White House. I have no desire to hear from them and certainly will not donate any money to any of them.
I guess I will have to sit down here in Texas, fat, dumb and pissed off.
Pelosi, Reid, Rahm and the rest of the fools can go suck the big one.
So at the same time that lawless, amoral mobs of slavish right-wing authoritarians are disrupting town-hall meetings with faux-grassroots displays of violence and hatred, the Powers that Be will continue bribing our “elected officials”, who will insist that the perfect is the enemy of the worthless, and the corporate media will continue spinning lies and inviting right-wingers on to echo those lies.
Why exactly am I supposed to have hope?
We need to take out Nancy any California pups aware of any dirt on Nancy. Rahm is tied to Mayor Daley Fitz should have something on him. Illinois Dems and GOPers were pressuring Rove to get rid of him Illinois is a one party state where each side works to protect the profits.
If Fitz ever gets around to taking out Daley then Rahm will go down. Rahm is Daley’s go to guy in the WH.
No investigation of Daley would miss WH links.
Questions for Pelosi, Rahmbo, Schakowsky, et al:
Why?
Why are the Blue Dogs options being catered to and not the so-called progressives?
Why are their perspectives so much more important?
Why are you proposing to bail out the insurance companies who created this mess?
What will you do when the Blue Dogs then decide that subsidies for those who can’t afford to purchase mandated insurance must be cut?
What will you propose when folks are quoted rates for insurance that are more than they make and the subsidies don’t exist?
What will you do for those who are forced to choose between insurance coverage and food/lodging?
I didn’t like Emmanual then, despise the little fucker now, When Obama announced his appointment I said Here We Go.
Pelosi is a huge disappointment.
I can remember being here when she got in and I was just as elated as everyone else at the time, a huge disappointment.
Harry Reid needs to be retired yesterday and my contempt for Joe Lieberman is infinite and eternal.
Can you imagine the Blue Dogs’ outrage if the Speaker had laughed at them?
The Progressive Caucus needs to stand up or forfeit next year’s donations from liberals across the country.
Didn’t torgo tell you about Nancy P. long ago?
She is worthless.
Maybe they will stop laughing if they lose seats next year. Keep laughin’ at your base Nancy and see how long you remain Speaker…
Pelosi Pelosi Pelosi . . . a true Democratic Party Leader.
once upon a time there was a Netroots fundraising phenomenon called ‘Accountability Now!’
http://accountabilitynowpac.com/about/
they say things like this about themselves:
well well well, such tough talk!
One might think Nancy Pelosi would be an ideal candidate for some accountability from Accountability Now, and sure enough, Pelosi was challenged by a nationally known progressive hero, frequently lauded here on FDL – Cindy Sheehan! who ended up getting 17% of the vote!
but, sadly Accountability Now was revealed as a front for the consequence-free, vote (D) no matter what tendency on the Left, because they could not bring themselves to support Cindy Sheehan, running as an (I), because she was saying things like:
and so, this is where (D) captured progressives find themselves, with Pelosi openly scorning them and taking them for granted.
so, vote (D) no matter what, and prove Nancy Pelosi right!
or, regain some pride and prove the Democrats cynical calculation wrong – the country is ready for a real political opposition formation and, as the Depression deepens, we cannot have the only outlets for populist, grass roots outrage be on the far right.
maybe Accountability Now will even regain some credibility by supporting 3rd party and (I) challengers sometimes.
Won’t John Bush be running for VP with the GOP’s new Reagan, Sarah “Quitting” Palin?
Well, the progressives’ declaration surprised me because I thought they had already caved. I suppose their declaration can be seen as kabuki to cover the fact that they had, in fact, caved. Without their intention to vote no, the public option is toast. It may survive in some limited bastardized form to serve as a figleaf for the general sellout to the insurance companies, BigPharma, and the medical industry but that’s about it. In one way, our task just got a lot easier. It will take almost no effort at all to sell this to Americans as a con, swindle, and giveaway to insurance companies. And we should tie Obama every chance we get to this fiasco. Emanuel and Pelosi are really just placeholders. This is all Obama. Nothing that has happened here has not been done without his full knowledge and backing. Just as nothing he chose not to do or say was inadvertent. He did not strongly support a real public plan because, aside from its use as a figleaf, he had no interest in it.
That would Kill Jeb to be VP :)
Ha, f……, ha.
See? I’m laughing too.
Amen.
As much as I think that is laughable. I have no clue what will happen if a majority in both houses and the executive of the same party fail to get a single payer, or public option bill passed. Why in the hell do the dems constantly snatch defeat from the jaws of victory? I am so far beyond disgusted.
It’s time for a 3rd party. People who will NOT sell out to the corptocracy over what is right for americans.
Agreed Obama gets us healthcare ends these 2 wars his first term or a lot of us will be staying home.
Our representative are not corrupt. They are honest.
The US has an election calendar, 2 years, 4, years & 6 years. This calendar insures that elections are expensive, because of the ability to prepare well in advance for the election. For example UK & Canada have no fixed election cycle and short (8 to 10 weeks) campaigns before a general election.
The expense of US elections is unmitigated by providing free TV advertising air time on our air waves that we give to broadcasters. Election cost our representatives huge amounts of money.
We the taxpayers, pay our Representatives a stipend while in office. This stipend is much, much smaller that the overall cost of being elected and being in office.
Our representatives have to raise large sums of money from private sources. These private sources are paymasters, and like all people beholden to their paymasters, our elected representative are beholden to their paymasters, roughly in proportion to how much they were paid by each set of paymasters.
We get the representation we paid for. The stipend. Other paymasters get what they paid for. Control over legislation.
Our representative are not corrupt. They are honest. When bought they remain bought.
The system? Hopelessly corrupt.
There is a $4,000 dollar tax credit for first time homebuyers set to expire in november if the progressives make known they won’t vote to extend it for budget concerns the Blue Dogs might be willing to deal.
We, the people, want health care that is exactly the same as what you get Rep. Pelosi. Is that clear?
Make it so, thank you.
Homebuilders, banks and the realestate industry want it Florida, Nevada and California need higher home prices.
About Pelosi
WaPo’s simplistic conceit that Pelosi is a popular liberal? On the contrary, Pelosi is popular with the big money crowd and has smugly shown her imperialistic disdain for those who actually advocate liberal policies. Pelosi is not liberal. NP about war protesters
She shows her true arrogance and contempt for those she feels is beneath her in both halves of that sentence, first for the homeless, and then for those who disagree with the war
I see she’s still Marie Antoinetteish. From the post
I don’t look for her to go to bat for any health care plan that will make any real difference in the majority of the population
And TCU at 43 I’ve heard some things from ‘people in the know’ that aren’t scandalous but really are at the root of what people hate about politics
I don’t doubt it for a second, Hugh. But shouldn’t what you say send shivers down our spines, if we understand and appreciate the point of the separation of powers between the Executive and Legislative Branches?
This Congress-turned-illicit-Parliament, full of historically-ignorant followers of The Leader, is dangerous to our democracy and our liberty. And the fact that Rahm Emanuel, of all people – the sort of guy who cannot be trusted with power, and is nothing without power – holds sway over them, and Pelosi, tells you all you need to know about “Progressive” (in their dreams) legislators and Pelosi.
From the article:
B.I.N.G.O.
Anyone notice what has happened to the House “Oversight” Committee, since the beginning of the Obama presidency? It basically disappeared, at the behest of Pelosi, with the full support of the parochial Black Caucus.
The Democratic Doormat Caucus – where self-respect and individual will are forbidden to enter, for fear of disturbing their groveling appeasement of The Glorious Leader.
A poem:
No bullshit compromises,
If no Single payer,
No Obama second term,
No Democratic majority,
In the house,
Or in the senate,
No fucking kidding.
Bwa-ha-ha all you young people. I’m set for single-payer in 1 1/2 years, suckers. Who cares what Congress does?
This message has been brought to you by the Coalition of Older Voters Who Won’t be Helping Out This Time Because Shut Up That’s Why, and the Coalition of Politicians Who Know This.
Synoia, It’s been pointed out that if Obama and Congressional Dems passed real health care reform they would be revered by voters for generations to come. So why don’t they? (rhetorical question). One obvious implication of this seeming contradiction is that pleasing voters by actually meeting their needs is a low priority. They do need votes on election day, but their assumption must be that they can win with support from the party leadership and by using those big money contributions for advertising and obfuscation of their record and the issues, (so who needs to do anything that actually benefits the public when it would displease the people who provide the bribes?) “Corrupt” exactly describes it, and the health care debate has made this clearer than ever.
Isn’t that what happened to Blue Cross Blue Shield which was originally a non profit co-op? They go bust and then go private? I don’t know its history but heard that was so.
Just Say Know
What the Progressive Caucus knows is that the progressive netroots number only several 100,000 and of those only a percentage do more than talk.
Just look at all the excuses for not pushing for single-payer and then using the public option as the backup position in case that push fails.
Just look at how well folks show up to push their representatives. Compare the numbers showing up to heckle Lloyd Doggett with the number of progressives willing to turn out to push their member of Congress.
Can progressives really build a popular movement? Are they really willing to work for it? Or are they always looking for leaders to do it for them?
The fate of the healthcare bill will show what the truth is. If you are for single-payer, now is the time to go all out to get it. There is the Wiener amendment and there is the Sanders bill in the Senate. Can you whip those to success? You have three weeks. That’s it. If it doesn’t happen then AND if a strong public option fails, that’s it for a generation. You want reality; that’s the reality.
Long Gone are the days when it was etched in stone “Its The Law”.
This will be successfully challenged in the Federal Courts and its implementation will be blocked.
I feel like McCain and Palin were elected!
News to me that could be the GOp’s secret plan though.
Diary dude and I hope it gets front paged we need to research Nancy a few hundred or thousand (we really don’t like Nancy here) FDLers all with different areas of expertise looking at Nancy once we get some pointers where to look?
BWAHAHA!
Feel free to blog whore with a link if you decide to write about Nancy and see me on a thread:)
ChePasa, Something actually is better than nothing from the viewpoint of the short-term interest of some citizens. Medicare Part D is a good example. I opposed it, but I currently benefit from it. It is, of course, a giant bailout to Big Pharma, and in the long run no one other than Big Pharma benefits from that. If what gets passed now through all the compromising turns out to expand the number of people with insurance, that’s good, but if it is done through a giant bailout to Big Insurance and even higher health care costs, we’re screwed. I can hear the conservative line now: “They Californicated America with this health plan that is bankrupting us”. I’m not looking forward to President Palin.
More complicated. Blue Cross/Blue Shields were co-ops of doctors to permit doctors to receive payment from folks who couldn’t afford the big lump-sum of payments. They became nonprofits providing group insurance, and as non-profits they were able to provide lower premiums than private insurers so they gained a major share of the market in almost every state.
The around the Millennium some “genius” formed a company to buy out a Blue Cross/Blue Shield and take it private, arguing that it would promote efficiencies. Among those who succeeded was Anthem, which acquired BC/BS in Indiana, Ohio, Kentucky, then Connecticut and who knows how many more.
Some states resisted. When BC/BS of North Carolina wanted to sell, the state said that they would have to pay the state the equivalent of some portion of the asset value of the taxes that they avoided by being non-profit. That undid the deal.
I don’t think they went bust, I think that some cagey private investors saw a cash cow and found a way to milk it.
Frank Zappa noted that politicians constitute the entertainment wing of the the military-industrial complex. Assuming no efficiency gains, which in itself would be a scandal, the amount of money at issue is about a tenth of annual pentagon spending (on budget and off). I guess this is entertaining until you or somebody in your family gets sick. Certainly, it is a sad comment on American culture.
Zappa made a very wise comment there.
It’s going to be us. It’s got to be us… the Millenial Generation, the New Guys. We’re the ones who’ll have to clean this shit up, because we’ve seen where this is headed, and we’re angry enough that even Congress has to hear us.
Go get ‘em, Jane.
For those of use who have fought for years on the torture issue, with little or no accountability, it is painful to regard the struggle for universal and affordable, quality healthcare. The entrenched powers, whether they reside in the Pentagon, or in the plush boardrooms of major insurance companies, don’t plan to give an inch, and the progressives in Congress are reduced to Greek chorus status, plaintive witnesses at best, whose protestations of justice denied, or looming tragedy are laughed off by the doomed hero or heroine, and the whole pathetic affair galumphs to its inevitable conclusion.
I despise the Democrats and I hate the Republicans. I can’t stand Obama. I have no confidence or hope that the government will ever change. I know two things for certain. The government is corrupt and it is my mortal enemy.