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	<title>Comments on: A Blue Dog Strategy For Passing the Kucinich Amendment</title>
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		<title>By: Leen</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/a-blue-dog-strategy-for-the-kucinich-amendment/#comment-35512</link>
		<dc:creator>Leen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 15:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane last night Chris Matthews focused on the interruption of Reps trying to address the broken Health care system for a quarter of the show.  Then he had the nerve to ask “where are the people from the other side”  Last Thursday Chris Matthews, Rachel,  Ed, Howard Dean was filling in for Keith and did cover the health care situation, but not one of these folks gave the Health Care Rally in D.C. one breath, not one minute of coverage.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Matthews even had the slippery balls to ask “where are the people from the other side”  Last Thursday these folks must have shown the same damn beer summit clip one hundred times. They are covering the people interrupting Reps across the country yesterday.  Where were these people last Thursday drumked up by the beer summit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Looking for the clip of last night where Chris Matthews ask “where are the people from the others side (health care reform)  Matthews had his head up where the sun does not shine last Thursday and then he has the nerve to ask “where are the people from the other side”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ed, Matthews, Keith, RAchel all need to watch the C-span coverage of the rally last week since they did not give it one minute of coverage&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane last night Chris Matthews focused on the interruption of Reps trying to address the broken Health care system for a quarter of the show.  Then he had the nerve to ask “where are the people from the other side”  Last Thursday Chris Matthews, Rachel,  Ed, Howard Dean was filling in for Keith and did cover the health care situation, but not one of these folks gave the Health Care Rally in D.C. one breath, not one minute of coverage.  </p>
<p>Matthews even had the slippery balls to ask “where are the people from the other side”  Last Thursday these folks must have shown the same damn beer summit clip one hundred times. They are covering the people interrupting Reps across the country yesterday.  Where were these people last Thursday drumked up by the beer summit.</p>
<p>Looking for the clip of last night where Chris Matthews ask “where are the people from the others side (health care reform)  Matthews had his head up where the sun does not shine last Thursday and then he has the nerve to ask “where are the people from the other side”  </p>
<p>Ed, Matthews, Keith, RAchel all need to watch the C-span coverage of the rally last week since they did not give it one minute of coverage</p>
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		<title>By: maximus7</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/a-blue-dog-strategy-for-the-kucinich-amendment/#comment-35466</link>
		<dc:creator>maximus7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;
I suggest people sign these petitions at&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/single_payer_ross&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/single_payer_ross&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://bit.ly/HR676&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://bit.ly/HR676&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the first demanding Mike Ross getting his entire conservative coalition to get HR 676 or his friends at Tyson Foods will lose a lot of business and therefore money.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If progressives really want health care they can do the following. United Health care appears one of the biggest health insurance companies and partners with the traitorous AARP that helped set up the middle class killing Medicare Part D that did not help them. Tyson Foods appears a company that operates out of Arkansas and gave money to Blue Dog Democrat leader Mike Ross.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every progressive should call United Health Care Corp. and Tyson Foods and say firmly but politely&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I REFUSE TO DO BUSINESS WITH YOU UNTIL YOU GET YOUR CEO TO SPEAK TO JOHN BOEHNER AND MIKE ROSS TO GET HR 676 SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE  ENACTED INTO LAW.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;THESE 2 big companies cannot afford to lose 30 percent of their customer base so they will have to call Boehner and Ross and do something.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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I suggest people sign these petitions at</p>
<p><a href="http://bit.ly/single_payer_ross" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/single_payer_ross</a> and <a href="http://bit.ly/HR676" rel="nofollow">http://bit.ly/HR676</a></p>
<p>the first demanding Mike Ross getting his entire conservative coalition to get HR 676 or his friends at Tyson Foods will lose a lot of business and therefore money.</p>
<p>If progressives really want health care they can do the following. United Health care appears one of the biggest health insurance companies and partners with the traitorous AARP that helped set up the middle class killing Medicare Part D that did not help them. Tyson Foods appears a company that operates out of Arkansas and gave money to Blue Dog Democrat leader Mike Ross.</p>
<p>Every progressive should call United Health Care Corp. and Tyson Foods and say firmly but politely</p>
<p>I REFUSE TO DO BUSINESS WITH YOU UNTIL YOU GET YOUR CEO TO SPEAK TO JOHN BOEHNER AND MIKE ROSS TO GET HR 676 SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE  ENACTED INTO LAW.</p>
<p>THESE 2 big companies cannot afford to lose 30 percent of their customer base so they will have to call Boehner and Ross and do something.</p>
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		<title>By: rjrnab</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/a-blue-dog-strategy-for-the-kucinich-amendment/#comment-35465</link>
		<dc:creator>rjrnab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey, if any of you Californians don’t have any place better to go to the bathroom than Bob Dylans Port-o-san in Malibu, and you got some mad money to move to another blue state, try Grand Rapids, MI. Home of the Jerry (there was no deal) Ford International Airport. We’d love you guys out here to help us get Vern Ehlers (R) out of office. We know Squeeke loved her gun, we’re not holding that against you guys. But that next Chartered 747 to Holland leaving the airport with Vern Ehlers on it would be great news here. He thinks he’s a hip republican since he went to Berkley, but he drank too much Coors working for Dick Nixon, or Roni Raygunzap.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, if any of you Californians don’t have any place better to go to the bathroom than Bob Dylans Port-o-san in Malibu, and you got some mad money to move to another blue state, try Grand Rapids, MI. Home of the Jerry (there was no deal) Ford International Airport. We’d love you guys out here to help us get Vern Ehlers (R) out of office. We know Squeeke loved her gun, we’re not holding that against you guys. But that next Chartered 747 to Holland leaving the airport with Vern Ehlers on it would be great news here. He thinks he’s a hip republican since he went to Berkley, but he drank too much Coors working for Dick Nixon, or Roni Raygunzap.</p>
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		<title>By: auntialias</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/a-blue-dog-strategy-for-the-kucinich-amendment/#comment-35459</link>
		<dc:creator>auntialias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;oh yes I did! (and I could not resist, either!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh yes I did! (and I could not resist, either!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/a-blue-dog-strategy-for-the-kucinich-amendment/#comment-35458</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 04:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Uh, the farm bill passed last year, and the post talks about progressives tanking a supplemental appropriations bill.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously, was the post that confusing?  I’m seeing some comprehension problems here that mystify me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh, the farm bill passed last year, and the post talks about progressives tanking a supplemental appropriations bill.</p>
<p>Seriously, was the post that confusing?  I’m seeing some comprehension problems here that mystify me.</p>
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		<title>By: masslib</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/a-blue-dog-strategy-for-the-kucinich-amendment/#comment-35456</link>
		<dc:creator>masslib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In this regard, then, I would be very comfortable seeing the Kucinich amendment modified to allow waivers for states to opt either for single payer or just to let Obamacare pass them by. If that’s what it takes to pass the thing, I say great!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That sounds like a good idea, and good cover for even Republicans.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>In this regard, then, I would be very comfortable seeing the Kucinich amendment modified to allow waivers for states to opt either for single payer or just to let Obamacare pass them by. If that’s what it takes to pass the thing, I say great!</p>
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<p>That sounds like a good idea, and good cover for even Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: masslib</title>
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		<dc:creator>masslib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, now, didn’t LBJ just threaten folks by linking funds for their district to votes?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, now, didn’t LBJ just threaten folks by linking funds for their district to votes?</p>
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		<title>By: killfile</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/a-blue-dog-strategy-for-the-kucinich-amendment/#comment-35454</link>
		<dc:creator>killfile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wait, I’m confused.  The strategy is to support a horrible farm bill that will help destroy our farmers in order to get a half-measure health care bill that wont help anyone? How is that a rational strategy?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe FDL has forgotten that progress happens when people are in the streets, not via lobbying a Congress that was created &lt;em&gt;by design&lt;/em&gt; to suppress the popular will.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wait, I’m confused.  The strategy is to support a horrible farm bill that will help destroy our farmers in order to get a half-measure health care bill that wont help anyone? How is that a rational strategy?  </p>
<p>Maybe FDL has forgotten that progress happens when people are in the streets, not via lobbying a Congress that was created <em>by design</em> to suppress the popular will.</p>
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		<title>By: ralphbon</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/08/03/a-blue-dog-strategy-for-the-kucinich-amendment/#comment-35452</link>
		<dc:creator>ralphbon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, as noted in my &lt;a href=&quot;http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6861&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post on last Thursday’s Medicare birthday events&lt;/a&gt;, one part of the strategy to get the state single-payer waiver amendment passed is to sustain and build on its &lt;em&gt;bipartisan &lt;/em&gt;support (13 Republicans voted for it in the House E&amp;L Committee, without whom it would have lost). &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There are at least three reasons why Rethugs joined progressives in voting for the bill in E&amp;L:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1. Desire to create a poison pill to make it harder to vote the bill out of committee (if that was the plan, it didn’t work) or just to highlight and exacerbate divisions among Democrats (if that was the plan, it kinda worked, but I wouldn’t overstate the damage);&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2. “Principled” (for Republicans, anyway) dedication to the conservative creed of states’ rights; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3. Desire to let states opt out of Obamacare, not in favor of single payer but the status quo. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If reason 1 was all there was, then continued Republican support will probably dry up in the full House. But if some combination of reasons 2 and 3 pertains, then the amendment could gain substantial bipartisan support in the full House. Enough to win? I don’t know. Would the Blue Dogs hop aboard because of pressure from the right rather than the left (or a combination of the two)? I don’t know, but it’s worth exploring. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As I noted in &lt;a href=&quot;http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6861#comment-60573&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;[S]ome Rethugs … want the right to let states opt, not for single payer, but the status quo. I say, let ‘em! If they actually succeed in a state or two, their constituents will in short order be calling for their heads as they see the rest of the country enjoying, at minimum (and I do mean minimum) Obamacare, or at maximum (starting with Pennsylvania, Ganesh-willing) single-payer.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In this regard, then, I would be very comfortable seeing the Kucinich amendment modified to allow waivers for states to opt either for single payer or just to let Obamacare pass them by. If that’s what it takes to pass the thing, I say great! If wingnut politicians in a couple of red states then try to push a status-quo opt-out, they’ll experience the same kind of political disaster we’ve witnessed with Rethug governors pledging to turn down federal stimulus money. And meanwhile, Pennsylvania could become America’s Saskatchewan (the first Canadian province to adopt SP).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, as noted in my <a href="http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6861" rel="nofollow">post on last Thursday’s Medicare birthday events</a>, one part of the strategy to get the state single-payer waiver amendment passed is to sustain and build on its <em>bipartisan </em>support (13 Republicans voted for it in the House E&amp;L Committee, without whom it would have lost). </p>
<p>There are at least three reasons why Rethugs joined progressives in voting for the bill in E&amp;L:</p>
<p>1. Desire to create a poison pill to make it harder to vote the bill out of committee (if that was the plan, it didn’t work) or just to highlight and exacerbate divisions among Democrats (if that was the plan, it kinda worked, but I wouldn’t overstate the damage);</p>
<p>2. “Principled” (for Republicans, anyway) dedication to the conservative creed of states’ rights; </p>
<p>3. Desire to let states opt out of Obamacare, not in favor of single payer but the status quo. </p>
<p>If reason 1 was all there was, then continued Republican support will probably dry up in the full House. But if some combination of reasons 2 and 3 pertains, then the amendment could gain substantial bipartisan support in the full House. Enough to win? I don’t know. Would the Blue Dogs hop aboard because of pressure from the right rather than the left (or a combination of the two)? I don’t know, but it’s worth exploring. </p>
<p>As I noted in <a href="http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/6861#comment-60573" rel="nofollow">this comment</a>, </p>
<blockquote><p>[S]ome Rethugs … want the right to let states opt, not for single payer, but the status quo. I say, let ‘em! If they actually succeed in a state or two, their constituents will in short order be calling for their heads as they see the rest of the country enjoying, at minimum (and I do mean minimum) Obamacare, or at maximum (starting with Pennsylvania, Ganesh-willing) single-payer.</p>
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<p>In this regard, then, I would be very comfortable seeing the Kucinich amendment modified to allow waivers for states to opt either for single payer or just to let Obamacare pass them by. If that’s what it takes to pass the thing, I say great! If wingnut politicians in a couple of red states then try to push a status-quo opt-out, they’ll experience the same kind of political disaster we’ve witnessed with Rethug governors pledging to turn down federal stimulus money. And meanwhile, Pennsylvania could become America’s Saskatchewan (the first Canadian province to adopt SP).</p>
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		<title>By: lambertstrether</title>
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		<dc:creator>lambertstrether</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 03:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Make sure that stimulus money in Blue Dog districts gets investigated very, very carefully…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Make sure that stimulus money in Blue Dog districts gets investigated very, very carefully…</p>
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