I’ve been engaged in an email exchange with David Swanson about the Kucinich amendment, which encourages single payer health care at the state level. He wanted to know why we weren’t pressing members of Congress on it. Without going into a long exchange, basically I asked him what the strategy was for getting something past the Blue Dogs. Because if you don’t have one, it’s a futile effort.
There are 257 Democrats in the House. It takes 218 to have a majority. Assuming all the Republicans vote against something, you can only lose 39 votes and still pass something. There are 55 Blue Dogs. Even if you hold every other Democrat in the caucus, and that’s a big if, you still have to get 16 Blue Dogs to vote with you to pass something.
How are you going to do it? Well, you have to have a plan. If you don’t have a plan, and you’re fighting to keep the health care from passing, you’re telling the people who might be helped by it — even if it’s a bad bill — that they should go without health care just because you don’t have your shit together.
So, how does one go about moving the Blue Dogs? With the public plan whip count effort, we used the fact that Obama campaigned on the public plan to leverage Rahm into pressing the Blue Dogs. The Democrats need to pass health care or there will be bad electoral consequences, everyone agrees. If the progressives refuse to vote for a health care bill without a public plan and the Blue Dogs and conservadems refuse to vote for one that has a public plan, one of them has to give. Since 76% of the country wants a public plan and Obama has said he supports one, you try to keep narrowing Rahm’s choices so that he either has to beat up the Blue Dogs or fail to pass health care. You’re betting the price of failure will be too high.
It’s a long shot, but it’s a plan.
Obama didn’t campaign on single payer and wants to preserve the private insurance system, so the same plan is not going to work for the Kucinich amendment. You’ve got to find something the Blue Dogs want, and barter with them. There are 85 cosponsors of H.R. 676, the Single Payer bill. How can those 85 leverage their numbers to … er, encourage the Blue Dogs to see the light?
Well, I told David that you’ve got to find something the Blue Dogs want. As an example — of the 28 Democrats on the House Agriculture Committee, 18 are Blue Dogs. It’s probably the most corrupt committee in either house, and it’s totally in the tank for Big Ag. The farm bill passes once every 4 years and it passed last year so there’s not much you can do there, but every year there is a supplemental agriculture appropriations bill that gets passed every year.
This year’s bill just passed the House. Now the Senate will be taking up the Senate Agriculture Appropriations Bill, in which they trying to insert the National Animal ID System – a total giveaway to Big Ag that puts the small farmer at a serious disadvantage. Jon Tester is going to try to cut the funding, but the bottom line is that this bill pays for a bunch of shit that the Blue Dogs really, really want.
When it passed the House, the vote was 266-160. Of the 86 cosponsors of H.R. 676, only one — Marcia Fudge — voted against it. If 68 of them threatened to switch their votes on the Agriculture Appropriations Bill, the Single Payer cosponsors could defeat the bill when it comes back to the House if the Blue Dogs don’t join them on the Kucinich amendment. They’d potentially be messing with a lot of states in addition to just the Blue Dog districts, but hey, this is hard ball.
It isn’t the only Blue Dog strategy, but it is a strategy. Single Payer advocates would still have to whip for the rest of the votes. It wouldn’t be an easy job by any means. Ideally you come into Committee ready to deal, knowing what everyone else wants and what you want and where you can make alliances in order to get that. It wouldn’t be pretty and unholy hell would break lose, but if the 676 cosponsors like Jared Polis and Jan Schakowsky are really committed to the idea of passing Single Payer, they ought to be willing to take it on.
And Dennis Kucinich is just the man to lead it.





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National Animal ID System? Bad for small farms? Sounds like something neither Olympia Snowe nor Susan Collins would like…
I like it! It’s got a good beat, and you can dance to it. I give it a 93.
There’s lots of controversy over this system. It’s one of those bills that has the classic strange-bedfellows setup, both for and against, as this website shows. Some of the people most strongly against it are part of the “takings” movements and the Western property-rights movement.
Glad you’re thinkin, Jane. Sorry you’re wildly accusing people of trying to deprive people of healthcare.
There are several possible strategies here. One is to pressure the progressives to pressure the leadership to leave the language in. There’s no evidence it costs the bill any BlueDog votes. It’s not about their states. Blowing it up into something they should have a fight over may or may not be the ideal approach.
Groups are working on the details of what the language does and on organizing a caucus of members from relevant states. Then we’ll see where we can take it.
Please keep sending ideas like this one.
Jane, you have the fastest mind of anyone I’ve ever known. Just amazing, girlfirend, simply dazzling.
These are the best damn plans I’ve read anywhere, so far, on how to get this thing passed!
[Jane for Prez… Who’s with me?]
A little OT, but I just don’t understand why the Democrats don’t just tell the Blue Dogs to act like Democrats, or switch to the Republicans. If they don’t act like Democrats nothing of real use is going to pass anyway, at least if you force them to switch to Republican the public will damn well know who’s to blame. As it is now, they’re free to act like Republicans, but spare the Republican’s further blame. Last polls I saw had both D’s and R’s pretty unpopular in Congress. Part of that might be because folks are blaming D’s for the acts of Republicans, because as far as I’m concerned, those blue dogs really are just Republicans.
Math is hard.
Thank goodness Jane is good at it.
Can the progressives on the Hill count? We’ll see.
The African American and Hispanic Reps in the House would be open to removing the ban on sugar imports from Cuba in the farm bill we tend to have much higher diabetes rates and corn syrup seems to trigger it worse than sugar.
This is just a suggestion on how we get Reps interested in reforming or blocking the farm bill.
I completely trust Dennis (what a nut I am! Right conservadems?) and I think the current bills will be so mucked up that in the end a single payer bill will come forth directly from President Obama and everyone will be happy! Hey, I can dream. :-)
Kucinich sure appears to know House procedure and managed to get the GOP to flip in his favor a time or two.
I know Arkansas Blue Dogs Mike Ross and Marion Berry would feel great pressure if Agro cash were threatened. An added benefit of threatening Senators Lincoln and Pryor as well.
If we manage to elect a Democratic governor who’ll sign Mark Leno’s single-payer legislation in California next year, it would be a shame for the federal plan (for which Year One = 2013) to prohibit us from going ahead. California is as big as Canada; if single payer works here (and it will) it can be a huge demonstration project for the rest of the USA.
It’s important that the federal program not stop us from doing this in California.
How many Blue Dogs are in California? I know that Loretta Sanchez is one.
Brazil has cheap sugar based ethanol. Thanks to high sugar based ethanol price tariffs that keep Brazilian ethanol out and keep the corn ethanol industry going that means higher corn prices as well as gas and ethanol gas prices.
The beef industry is hurting because corn feed prices were high last year and oil used in fertilizers and to haul corn crops and cows were high.
Selling the beef industry on lower corn and lower fuel costs should win us some friends too.
The Government could provide a floor for corn prices by establishing a 9 month strategic stock pile for our own use.
Aid to poor governments of food could be bought as needed.
Corn farmers would also benefit from lower gas prices brought about by cheap Brazilian ethanol.
Yeah play hard ball Rahm could cancel everything they want for their districts if the Blue Dogs go GOP well we punish them more we still have a filibuster proof Senate and a Presidential veto.
“There’s no evidence it costs the bill any BlueDog votes?” Really?
Blue Dog Loretta Sanchez opposes Single Payer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related
Blue Dog statement of principles say that #1 is “must adhere to the free market”:
http://www.house.gov/melancon/…..tplace.pdf
Are you honestly saying that the Blue Dogs will support the Kucinich amendment without a fight? Well, if it gets through the rules committee, I would LOVE to take that bet.
These Blue Dogs are in the tank for Big AG ? How about Rahm showing he has a clue how to play hard ball nation wide immigration raids on every meat producer thanks to Lou Dobbs and Glen Beck would get us 20%er support.
To keep Hispanics happy we make the meat industry pay to send each worker back to Mexico with all their stuff and 6 months worth of pay.
Obama ones the banks the meat companies could take out loans. Americans can be hired the anti immigrant groups would demand more raids and the Blue Dogs and Corporate Wing of the GOP will be desperate to stop further raids.
They will fold then on Healthcare. We have power lets use it.
Sorry you say Farm Bill I think of Food and how to hit the Blue Dogs I like having lots of options on taking someone down.
$50 on that action
That would be your Senator’s SB 810
How many Dems can we get to stop the farm bill in exchange for Healthcare? And how many Dems and lobbying groups can we get who want to change our farming practices and the farm bill?
There you go.
Now, just as an exercise how do you set up to get enough votes for the Wiener substitute amendment to either win or be a show of strength. Unlike the case with the public option, the public understands single-payer (but not under that name). And the public likes the idea so much that the insurance companies and their media and politico shills are working overtime to convince the public not to like it. That amount of effort seems to me to be a confession of political weakness. How we respond affects whether the public can be scammed.
BTW, the Blue Dogs won’t “go GOP”, their districts will elect “real Republicans”. They are the endangered species here; failure on healthcare means they are roadkill. Success in passing real healthcare reform totally alters the political landscape of their districts. At this point, they look like they would rather commit political suicide, take the healthcare industry money and retire on it rather than change.
Do we know any Dems who might not be with us but would like to be a member of the House Leadership?
If we stop Nancy on this she will be weakened. I just don’t know when, why or how the House chooses new leadership or under what circumstances they can be forced to change leadership.
Seriously threaten Nancy’s power and see if she changes her mind.
Some Blue Dogs are so “endangered” they don’t even draw a GOP opponent in a general election, despite their CD’s GOP tilt. I used to think they’d be roadkill if health care failed, but I’m not sure that’s true anymore. I think they’ll crow at home about defeating “socialized medicine,” draw lots more contributions from their masters, and discourage any potential GOP opponents (again).
We can do this!
That would be a great talking point if we could air time.
You freaking light up the boards while the 85 co-sponsors bill is under consideration and give it all you got.
Please be advised I, for one, would like to see on FDL and subdomains, part of the right column allocated to the latest, say, 15 comments, from across all blogs, FDL, EW, TBogg, L. Flanders, etc. I’ll make the suggestion through the contact page, as well.
Any support from the Dems just how committed are they? I bet Rahm, Nancy and Obama are leaning on them but not on the Blue Dogs our our guys willing to fight?
What lies ahead this year, banking/ financial industry regulation? Could some preemptive horse trading between progressives and Blue Dogs work now?
Another suggestion the tax cut for first time home owners of $4,000 is due to expire in November I’m sure the housing industry friends of the GOP want it extended the Progressives could threaten to block that unless a deal is made.
Same with war funding if we can’t afford health care we can’t afford two wars.
I say find everything the GOP and Blue Dogs want and start shutting the House Down.
I don’t know what that is, but I fear it sounds like The Mark of the Beast!
Yes but we would have to be careful
Yes a testing program on animals first then they switch to humans!/s
My bold will they?
What is different is that if healthcare reform fails, it is Democrats who will sit on their hands. And local GOP folks will be sensing it and put up a challenger. It’s what happened in 1994. The losses were among those who opposed healthcare, not as much those who supported it. Democrats in the South were almost made extinct in that election. The current Blue Dogs are the result of Clinton triangulation that gave Southern Democrats a little pseudo-life.
Diary very good reading of history.
If we get real public option/single payer health care, we will live (longer) to fight another day.
What else, are all defense bills/expenditures complete for the year?
Ok bet still lets be careful.
Don’t forget to factor in the financial support that Rahm gave all these turkeys when he was head of the DCCC — at the same time he was refusing to support progressive candidates.
TCU! Now you got it.
That is the $64 million dollar question, isn’t it.
Jane upstairs now!
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We can but try.
Strange bedfellows on civil liberties and rule of law issues?
Strange bedfellows on finance issues? (Like TARP, for example.)
YES!!!! (And if there were regional compacts, maybe an alliance with (strong union) PA?
You didn’t! :)
Let’s do for these guys what we should have done in Iraq instead of invading it — just load up a few C130s with pallets of billions in cash, and start shoving ‘em out of the doors in the appropriate districts….
Make sure that stimulus money in Blue Dog districts gets investigated very, very carefully…
Jane, as noted in my post on last Thursday’s Medicare birthday events, one part of the strategy to get the state single-payer waiver amendment passed is to sustain and build on its bipartisan support (13 Republicans voted for it in the House E&L Committee, without whom it would have lost).
There are at least three reasons why Rethugs joined progressives in voting for the bill in E&L:
1. Desire to create a poison pill to make it harder to vote the bill out of committee (if that was the plan, it didn’t work) or just to highlight and exacerbate divisions among Democrats (if that was the plan, it kinda worked, but I wouldn’t overstate the damage);
2. “Principled” (for Republicans, anyway) dedication to the conservative creed of states’ rights;
3. Desire to let states opt out of Obamacare, not in favor of single payer but the status quo.
If reason 1 was all there was, then continued Republican support will probably dry up in the full House. But if some combination of reasons 2 and 3 pertains, then the amendment could gain substantial bipartisan support in the full House. Enough to win? I don’t know. Would the Blue Dogs hop aboard because of pressure from the right rather than the left (or a combination of the two)? I don’t know, but it’s worth exploring.
As I noted in this comment,
In this regard, then, I would be very comfortable seeing the Kucinich amendment modified to allow waivers for states to opt either for single payer or just to let Obamacare pass them by. If that’s what it takes to pass the thing, I say great! If wingnut politicians in a couple of red states then try to push a status-quo opt-out, they’ll experience the same kind of political disaster we’ve witnessed with Rethug governors pledging to turn down federal stimulus money. And meanwhile, Pennsylvania could become America’s Saskatchewan (the first Canadian province to adopt SP).
Wait, I’m confused. The strategy is to support a horrible farm bill that will help destroy our farmers in order to get a half-measure health care bill that wont help anyone? How is that a rational strategy?
Maybe FDL has forgotten that progress happens when people are in the streets, not via lobbying a Congress that was created by design to suppress the popular will.
Well, now, didn’t LBJ just threaten folks by linking funds for their district to votes?
That sounds like a good idea, and good cover for even Republicans.
Uh, the farm bill passed last year, and the post talks about progressives tanking a supplemental appropriations bill.
Seriously, was the post that confusing? I’m seeing some comprehension problems here that mystify me.
oh yes I did! (and I could not resist, either!)
Hey, if any of you Californians don’t have any place better to go to the bathroom than Bob Dylans Port-o-san in Malibu, and you got some mad money to move to another blue state, try Grand Rapids, MI. Home of the Jerry (there was no deal) Ford International Airport. We’d love you guys out here to help us get Vern Ehlers (R) out of office. We know Squeeke loved her gun, we’re not holding that against you guys. But that next Chartered 747 to Holland leaving the airport with Vern Ehlers on it would be great news here. He thinks he’s a hip republican since he went to Berkley, but he drank too much Coors working for Dick Nixon, or Roni Raygunzap.
I suggest people sign these petitions at
http://bit.ly/single_payer_ross and http://bit.ly/HR676
the first demanding Mike Ross getting his entire conservative coalition to get HR 676 or his friends at Tyson Foods will lose a lot of business and therefore money.
If progressives really want health care they can do the following. United Health care appears one of the biggest health insurance companies and partners with the traitorous AARP that helped set up the middle class killing Medicare Part D that did not help them. Tyson Foods appears a company that operates out of Arkansas and gave money to Blue Dog Democrat leader Mike Ross.
Every progressive should call United Health Care Corp. and Tyson Foods and say firmly but politely
I REFUSE TO DO BUSINESS WITH YOU UNTIL YOU GET YOUR CEO TO SPEAK TO JOHN BOEHNER AND MIKE ROSS TO GET HR 676 SINGLE PAYER HEALTH CARE ENACTED INTO LAW.
THESE 2 big companies cannot afford to lose 30 percent of their customer base so they will have to call Boehner and Ross and do something.
Jane last night Chris Matthews focused on the interruption of Reps trying to address the broken Health care system for a quarter of the show. Then he had the nerve to ask “where are the people from the other side” Last Thursday Chris Matthews, Rachel, Ed, Howard Dean was filling in for Keith and did cover the health care situation, but not one of these folks gave the Health Care Rally in D.C. one breath, not one minute of coverage.
Matthews even had the slippery balls to ask “where are the people from the other side” Last Thursday these folks must have shown the same damn beer summit clip one hundred times. They are covering the people interrupting Reps across the country yesterday. Where were these people last Thursday drumked up by the beer summit.
Looking for the clip of last night where Chris Matthews ask “where are the people from the others side (health care reform) Matthews had his head up where the sun does not shine last Thursday and then he has the nerve to ask “where are the people from the other side”
Ed, Matthews, Keith, RAchel all need to watch the C-span coverage of the rally last week since they did not give it one minute of coverage