Comments on: Ezra Klein Plays His Part in the “Co-op Squeeze Play” http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Sat, 18 Feb 2012 01:33:20 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: DFCtomm http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-35071 DFCtomm Fri, 31 Jul 2009 00:51:15 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-35071 <p>I usually wouldn’t post at this site, but you mentioned Reagan, and you know what they say. Speak of the devil and he doth appear, or at least one of him minions, and that would be me. Pres. George W. (prescription drug plan) Bush was not right of Reagan, or are you attempting to co-op him now that he’s dead and can’t protest? It doesn’t matter because your plan will not work. Zombie Reagan 2012.</p> I usually wouldn’t post at this site, but you mentioned Reagan, and you know what they say. Speak of the devil and he doth appear, or at least one of him minions, and that would be me. Pres. George W. (prescription drug plan) Bush was not right of Reagan, or are you attempting to co-op him now that he’s dead and can’t protest? It doesn’t matter because your plan will not work. Zombie Reagan 2012.

]]> By: jaango http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34877 jaango Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:23:44 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34877 <p>“Extra” Klein is in the “sterilized box” for the Neo-Liberal formula.</p> <p>Thus, his perspective and analysis is solely focused on the Neo-liberal formula, notwithstanding, the “unassailable facts” relative to Single Payer, or to my advocacy for expanding either the Indian Health Services or the VA’s medical systemic which would encompass “medical care delivered”. </p> <p>Consequently, in fairness to Mister “Extra”, I will bow down in Humility to “Extra” when his brings forth to the general public the “unassailable facts” relative Single Payer and IHS/VA into his litany of factual assertions. Until then, he has carefully ’staged’ himself as a propagandist for the Neo-liberals.</p> <p>And as a suggestion to Mr. “Extra” I would encourage him to ask our Elected Officials in either the House or the Senate, which among them, would prefer standing in line with Native Americans in front of the admissions desk at any facility managed by Indian Health Services? He won’t and he can’t for in doing so, he will politicallhy ‘de-sterilize’ himself.</p> <p>Jaango</p> “Extra” Klein is in the “sterilized box” for the Neo-Liberal formula.

Thus, his perspective and analysis is solely focused on the Neo-liberal formula, notwithstanding, the “unassailable facts” relative to Single Payer, or to my advocacy for expanding either the Indian Health Services or the VA’s medical systemic which would encompass “medical care delivered”.

Consequently, in fairness to Mister “Extra”, I will bow down in Humility to “Extra” when his brings forth to the general public the “unassailable facts” relative Single Payer and IHS/VA into his litany of factual assertions. Until then, he has carefully ’staged’ himself as a propagandist for the Neo-liberals.

And as a suggestion to Mr. “Extra” I would encourage him to ask our Elected Officials in either the House or the Senate, which among them, would prefer standing in line with Native Americans in front of the admissions desk at any facility managed by Indian Health Services? He won’t and he can’t for in doing so, he will politicallhy ‘de-sterilize’ himself.

Jaango

]]> By: rets http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34854 rets Thu, 30 Jul 2009 04:06:32 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34854 <p>This post got me to join as well. I haven’t been here in a while, and I’m somewhat surprised at Jane’s response and the vitriol. Not sure impugning Ezra’s motives is the most constructive of criticisms, despite the fact that he’s now a member of the dreaded MSM.</p> <p>Ezra made a pretty simple point. The number of people projected to be enrolled in the public plan, under all proposed bills, may not be enough to make a big dent in the overall reform effort. As such, the public plan as it currently stands, may not be the most important part of the legislation. You may disagree with this analysis, but I think it’s pretty clearly explained and reasoned.</p> <p>I don’t see how Scarecrow can unequivocally state that it is “the obvious solution of creating an alternative that people could choose and that would force the industry to shape up, become more efficient or lose market share”</p> <p>Now I assume all of us want universal healthcare and most of us want single payer. And to some extent we hope the public plan would be the Trojan horse that destroys the corrupt health insurance industry. But barring underpants gnomes, I’m not sure there’s a direct line between a firewalled public plan and the kind of system we all want. </p> <p>In short, you may disagree with Ezra’s analysis (though I haven’t seen any substantial refutation of his facts), but given his blogging history and integrity he deserves better than to be considered in the pocket of Big Obama for having a different view.</p> This post got me to join as well. I haven’t been here in a while, and I’m somewhat surprised at Jane’s response and the vitriol. Not sure impugning Ezra’s motives is the most constructive of criticisms, despite the fact that he’s now a member of the dreaded MSM.

Ezra made a pretty simple point. The number of people projected to be enrolled in the public plan, under all proposed bills, may not be enough to make a big dent in the overall reform effort. As such, the public plan as it currently stands, may not be the most important part of the legislation. You may disagree with this analysis, but I think it’s pretty clearly explained and reasoned.

I don’t see how Scarecrow can unequivocally state that it is “the obvious solution of creating an alternative that people could choose and that would force the industry to shape up, become more efficient or lose market share”

Now I assume all of us want universal healthcare and most of us want single payer. And to some extent we hope the public plan would be the Trojan horse that destroys the corrupt health insurance industry. But barring underpants gnomes, I’m not sure there’s a direct line between a firewalled public plan and the kind of system we all want.

In short, you may disagree with Ezra’s analysis (though I haven’t seen any substantial refutation of his facts), but given his blogging history and integrity he deserves better than to be considered in the pocket of Big Obama for having a different view.

]]> By: jdhalv http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34852 jdhalv Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:32:34 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34852 <p>Well, that post succeeded in getting me to join, after having been on dKos and a few other sites for years but never coming over here. I agree that Ezra is going native a bit, but he also happens to be right that single-payer or even the public option are not necessary for good health care reform. There are in fact nations with universal health care systems that have costs in line with single-payer systems but use multiple private payers. The systems are very different from ours, so big changes are necessary regardless, but you can’t say that reform is impossible without a public option or single payer because other nations like Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland show that it can be done.</p> <p>Also, it looks like Paul Krugman is about to join the squeeze play. He has noticed that single payer is not necessary for a well-functioning universal health care system, even if he still gives the edge to public payers. <a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/676/" rel="nofollow">http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/676/</a></p> Well, that post succeeded in getting me to join, after having been on dKos and a few other sites for years but never coming over here. I agree that Ezra is going native a bit, but he also happens to be right that single-payer or even the public option are not necessary for good health care reform. There are in fact nations with universal health care systems that have costs in line with single-payer systems but use multiple private payers. The systems are very different from ours, so big changes are necessary regardless, but you can’t say that reform is impossible without a public option or single payer because other nations like Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland show that it can be done.

Also, it looks like Paul Krugman is about to join the squeeze play. He has noticed that single payer is not necessary for a well-functioning universal health care system, even if he still gives the edge to public payers. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/676/

]]> By: frandor55 http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34838 frandor55 Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:22:54 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34838 <p>I have noticed Ezra Klein’s careerist maneuverings for a few months now. He is an up and coming kewl kid. I no longer plan on reading his pieces as he is just another fluffer.</p> I have noticed Ezra Klein’s careerist maneuverings for a few months now. He is an up and coming kewl kid. I no longer plan on reading his pieces as he is just another fluffer.

]]> By: Bassface http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34833 Bassface Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:40:17 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34833 <p>How do we get a ‘recusal’ stipulation for Congress that would prohibit ‘conflict of interest’ voting. Legislation involving ‘Big Donors’ forces them to recuse themselves just like a judge admits the conflict, elected officials should be held to the same, obvious, scrutiny.</p> How do we get a ‘recusal’ stipulation for Congress that would prohibit ‘conflict of interest’ voting. Legislation involving ‘Big Donors’ forces them to recuse themselves just like a judge admits the conflict, elected officials should be held to the same, obvious, scrutiny.

]]> By: killfile http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34829 killfile Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:52:09 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34829 <p>Vote Nader in ‘12. No, he wouldn’t win, but then again, neither would Obama.</p> <p>Thats win win!</p> Vote Nader in ‘12. No, he wouldn’t win, but then again, neither would Obama.

Thats win win!

]]> By: killfile http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34828 killfile Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:51:28 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34828 <p>Single payer!</p> Single payer!

]]> By: ProgThis http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34827 ProgThis Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:42:15 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34827 <p>Vote Nader in ‘12. No, he wouldn’t win, but then again, neither would Obama.</p> Vote Nader in ‘12. No, he wouldn’t win, but then again, neither would Obama.

]]> By: ProgThis http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34826 ProgThis Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:39:15 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/29/ezra-klein-plays-his-part-in-the-co-op-squeeze-play/#comment-34826 <p>Democrats have always stood up for the have nots.</p> <p>until the 1990s that is.</p> Democrats have always stood up for the have nots.

until the 1990s that is.

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