Scarecrow points out Ezra Klein’s odd argument about a public plan:
On a day in which the Senate Finance Committee proposal to exclude a Public Option is getting either green or at least no red lights from the White House, Harry Reid, John Kerry!! and (who could have predicted?) the jubilant stockholders of American insurance companies, Ezra Klein tells us that it wasn’t the most important element anyway.
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I check Klein’s place every day, because he knows a great deal about the subject matter and sometimes does interesting interviews. But it is dismaying that someone who’s supposed to be an expert doesn’t make the logical connection between the horrors of the for-profit insurance industry and the obvious solution of creating an alternative that people could choose and that would force the industry to shape up, become more efficient or lose market share.
I know many were delighted with President Obama’s defense of a "public option" yesterday. But coming on the heels of Robert Gibbs’ statement that the President doesn’t prefer a public option over co-ops, I listened carefully and my impression is that this is just Phase III of the co-op squeeze play: try to say co-ops are just as good as a public option and convince people that having a true public option just isn’t a big deal. Because that’s what Kent Conrad designed them for — as he told me, he came up with them when it was determined that there "weren’t enough votes" for a public option (and the public most certainly wanted one).
It’s why Jerry Nadler called co-ops the "fake" public option: make the 76% of Americans who want a public option feel like they got one without actually having to give them one. There’s a reason insurance stocks are soaring.
I don’t know what Ezra’s motives were in echoing the White House sales pitch so quickly, but he’s worked hard to build up credibility as an astute observer of health care policy over the years. A sudden default to a "let’s not let the perfect be the enemy of the good" position that cedes the battle for a public plan right when it’s politically convenient for the White House undermines that credibility.
The same thing happened with the Social Security fight earlier this year — Ezra was arguing that the White House had no intention of pursuing Social Security reform when they quite clearly were, quoting anonymous sources in the White House who were feeding him bs about having "no intention to touch Social Security in the foreseeable future." Even Ezra was speculating shortly thereafter that Kent Conrad may have "extracted promises that the administration would let him start tinkering with Social Security" as part of a reconciliation deal.
I understand access is important, and being able to get the White House on the phone can be intoxicating.
It can also be an unworthy altar to throw your credibility on.




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F*ck these people.
which is exactly what mushmouth Stabenow was doing on CNN yesterday afternoon.
Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight is doing good work analyzing the various health care proposals. Here he takes apart the Baucus proposal.
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com…..-math.html
co-ops? you mean they aren’t “robust” ? But the President said…………..
Single payer!
What PublicTakeover and Bluetoe2 said.
‘Profit’ trumps ‘life, liberty and OUR pursuit of happiness’.
This fact of life is in ‘full exposure’, RIGHT NOW!
the PEOPLES’ negotiators, who are SUPPOSED to be representing the PEOPLES’ interests and ‘pushing back’ on the industry that has ABUSED the PEOPLE to death, are demonstrating EXACTLY why ‘Big Money Lobbyists’ are KILLING PEOPLE!
FOR PROFIT
They have ‘bankrupted’ millions of US, including me.
HOW DO WE RETURN THE FAVOR?
IIRC Scarecrow actually wrote about this as far as Ezra supported Wyden-Bennett, which has no public option, and was enthusiastic about it since he was at TAP.
Not that the public option doesn’t help to solve the problem. But I think Ezra was bringing out in his post that as far as the public option limits access it does not go all the way in solving the problem. The issue is similar to EFCA. The netroots tried to organize around EFCA complete with card check. But even if we are not getting card check this year we might get some things which will make unions happy, make joining unions easier, and prevent intimidation. The issue is not even “the perfect is the enemy of the good”. The public option is one good option.
gently noting the slight irony of being on the other side of the phrases that have served ‘pragmatic’ progressives so well.
Let’s be honest. Most if not all of the pundits and corporate media “journalists” and celebrities could care less about “credibility.” They are more than willing to make their sacrifices at the altar of accessiblity. They know it will lead to a pampered life of riches and priviledge, a shortcut to the new aristocracy.
I like this quote:
Of course, advocates of the only legislation on offer that has actually been shown to work — single payer, “the best,” according to Nancy Pelosi — have heard the “let’s not let the perfect…” line as well, although in a somewhat different context…
I’m glad that irony is not dead. For awhile, there, I was worried.
The guillotine.
Like beer? Try sausage!
i was thinking like coffee. But yeah, like beer.
I could say I told you so but this is not the moment.
There are several lessons in this. The first and most important is that Obama and the Democrats are our opponents, not our allies. The second is that we need to stop listening to Obama and just pay attention to his actions.
We have seen this on every major initiative Obama has undertaken Guantanamo, Iraq, Afghanistan, the stimulus, his economic plan in general, the supplemental, global warming, and healthcare. Obama makes an inspiring speech promising change and action. He then immediately walks this almost all the way back. He then tosses it to Congress where he makes repeated overtures to the most divorced from reality people on the planet, the Republicans. Further compromises are made. Blue Dogs enter into the fray as well. More compromises. Meanwhile progressives are ignored and disrespected at every turn. The result is a conservative bill or action. The Republicans rail and vote against it but the content is similar to what would have happened in the Bush Administration and considerably further to the right than Reagan.
Isn’t the whole nature of the co-op concept inherently socialism? How can that term be acceptable to the capitalists? It seem to me that “co-op” has been co-opted.
http://tomfoolery-tomfoolery.blogspot.com/
I’m sorry to say that I agree with you. I expected much more from the Dems. This is just more of the same old shit.
we’ll see if anyone will acknowledge the irony . . .
you can get it from both sides on the the slippery slope of the least worst . . . but if you have principles and stick to them, then they have your back!
Single Payer – in the first half of the 21st century, please.
don’t worry, the Democrats will provide you many more moments.
Ezra has health insurance. He doesn’t have to worry. This is a game of haves v. have nots. Democrats have always stood up for the have nots. But once they get a taste of $$$ and security, they believe they can reach a Gandhian level of wisdom and eloquence by lecturing the have nots to “go slow.”
Ezra “With All Deliberate Speed” Klein.
Here’s the thing, your public option doesn’t exist. It never did. Not in the HELP bill, not in the House bill, not in the Baucus bill. It’s a facade.
I asked Ezra about your public option yesterday:
Oh, and if you want to see what this health reform looks like, it looks just like Massachusetts!
Yeah! Where I still can’t afford health coverage, where the largest safety net hospital is suing the state for illegally diverting funds from care for the poor to their private insurance scheme, where they are cutting 120 million in subsidies, where 90k people are losing their dental coverage, where they are no longer automatically enrolling the working poor who screw up their paper work, where 30k legal immigrants are losing their state health coverage, where premiums have risen faster than the national average!
I wish all the benevolent Democrats who think I have a right to (expensive)affordable, (crappy)quality (private) health insurance would start asking Congress to define “affordable” and define “quality”. One has to wonder why the Dems couldn’t just pass a law excluding insurers from dumping the sick and discriminating against pre-existing conditions without mandating that people who can’t afford buy to this crappy product. Oh, wait, I know, because the private, for-profit insurers need more customers to cover the costs of the sick. This is just moving more of the burden of health care finance onto the middle class.
I have to say, this is my take too on what Ezra Klein has been shoveling, and thanks, FDL, for having the guts to call bullshit for what it is.
With all respect, masslib, your rant about the Massachusetts system is almost wholly devoted to errors and poor execution, etc. that are unique to the Mass. system. What you say, even if it is true, seems to have no relevance to a national plan. It’s like saying that speeding laws don’t work because some Mass. cops don’t issue tickets.
Define “affordable” and define “quality”! Hear, hear!
Scarecrow’s post did a nice job with the points Ezra was making.
Ezra “With All Deliberate Speed” Klein.
Nice riff. Goes for “progressives” in general, of course.
The national plan is completely based on the MA experiment. It’s only been around since 2006, and it is crumbling.
not to mention cutting $35 billion from Medicare over 10 years:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..e_overhaul
thats what the Progressive Netroots was whipping for!?!?
talk about tossing credibility on a worthless altar!
after the collapse of the kabuki, lets get together and focus on what the country really needs, which is single-payer.
Steve Benen! “Bipartisanship Ain’t What It Used To Be”, complete with quote from Ezra
That is the funniest picture ever.
A-yep.
What’s your plan to get single-payer through? C’mon, tell us how you’ll get any Blue Dogs, much less actual Republicans, to vote for single-payer.
see what I mean?
‘pragmatic’ progressives cannot bring themselves to acknowledge such an irony.
Ostriches.
as singlepayeraction says:
You’re absolutely right. What really kills me is all the wasted effort in the bloggiesfear to elect Democrats.
Well, WE GOT ‘EM!
Definition of bi-partisan: “All of the spending with none of the benefits.”
That’s what we’re gonna get.
is that the best you’ve got, the counterplan challenge?
how about the Republican’s donating to the Greens in Pennsylvania?
the plan is well articulated here:
http://www.singlepayeraction.org/blog/?p=1257
get people aligned with what they actually support, rather than kabuki, and its a whole different ball game.
Oh, and by the way: “Heightening the contradictions” — helping the more conservative guy win in the hopes that his actions would drive everyone else into the arms of the far left — didn’t work in 1930s Germany, nor did it in 2000 America. And yes, Nader wanted Bush to win:
Except that they didn’t. Bush’s win, far from making the parties diverge, caused them both to move rightward as the rise of the Blue Dogs shows.
Mike Stark has a fresh new post up on the front page. Care to guess the subject? “Birthers, Part Duex: Republicans Divided”
You said you were going to get Congress to pass single-payer, right?
Show us how. Assuming, that is, you’re not in the pay of the GOP like the Pennsylvania Green Party. Which would make sense, because splitting the left is the Republican Party’s favorite pastime. “Divide and conquer” serves them well.
The Medicare cuts are important. Glenn Greenwals has pointed this out national security issues, but Obama is doing things that even the Republicans when they had the Presidency and majorities in both Houses didn’t dare do. The crucial moment in the collapse of public support for Bush came early in his second term when he tried to take on Social Security. Obama did it early. He failed for the moment on SS but the political fallout was mild. Instead he reset and took a whack at Medicare in his healthcare “reform”. Indeed Republicans could never organize what we are seeing now and pass it off as reform. That’s the beauty of having a Democrat who acts like a Republican. Obama can. He can organize a giveaway to insurance companies and call it reform. Not everyone will buy into it but a surprising number will.
“All Deliberate Speed” when there is no law of the land even understates it, because Brown was law of the land. Every one of those school districts would have to integrate even if it took twenty years.
I can’t get that Roll Call article, but if they can hold down Medicare costs there is no argument to touch SS at all.
hmmm, yeah yeah yeah, weimar republic, Pennsylvania Greens, Nader quotes, election 2000, all the usual, but how about explaining why cutting $35 billion from Medicare over 10 years is worth whipping for?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..e_overhaul
I haven’t seen any sort of “plan” or strategy from these people. Just taunting and whining. Funny that most of them only show up on posts about health care. If they show up on Siun’s posts they’re all pro-war and shit.
with exhibit A displaying a strong case of Naderitis right now.
Thanks, Jane. Whatever the issue, it’s always about the framing.
David Sirota, Joshua Holland & Bill Moyers really illustrate what we’re up against.
I’ll just quote Robert Kuttner:
And, ask you what your plan was to get a “public option” through that would eventually lead to single payer, when we already have a program in place that was supposed to eventually lead to single payer?
go find a citation for that, eh?
Siun is a treasure here, if only more frontpagers would pay attention to the uncomfortable truths she deals with.
Wow, that didn’t take long for a gratuitous demonstration of Godwin’s law.
You pass legislation by going to the country, mobilizing the public. You don’t make phoney ass compromises to nutcase Republicans. You vilify them and portray them for what they are, standing against the best interests of the people and the country. You, I know this is hard to understand, put real honest to God pressure on the Blue Dogs. You make it clear that they can see reason and support the plan or that you will make it your business to see that their political lives are short and miserable.
Maybe even after this you may lose, but at least you went down standing for something. At the moment, Obama and the Democrats don’t stand for a damn thing.
Hugh said it best and Jane’s on the ball, as always. Let me add Hugh that Obama is selling out on public education too, embracing the conservative/Business Roundtable/Chamber of Commerce talking points as if they are gospel truth and letting them be the basis of his and Arne Duncan’s “school reform” plans.
I got an email a couple of hours ago from Obama’s Organizing for America, asking me to donate a dollar a day to counter Republican strategies working to defeat health care reform. Here was my response (sans dollar contribution!):
“The problem with health care reform isn’t Republican strategy — they are in the MINORITY in congress. The problem is the fetish with making this a “bipartisan” effort and the Blue Dogs, a small group of conservative Democrats who are spoiling the bill by killing the public option and supporting the dubious “co-ops” idiocy. We have Democratic majorities in both the House and the Senate, enough to pass any bill they produce. Leadership from the top is what is needed on this effort and NOT more compromise with conservatives who will not vote for change anyway. I will give money to groups who support single payer or, at the very least, a strong public option. I will not support compromises with a small group of industry supported conservative Democrats and Republicans who are working against the will of over 70% of the electorate, an electorate that voted you guys into office to change things, not be bipartisan and work to appease industry concerns. Get on the ball!”
So you’re saying we don’t have pro-war trolls at Siun’s posts? You want a citation go read the comments on her posts again.
sure there are pro-war posters over there sometimes – but, really, where is the overlap between Single-Payer advocates and defenders of Bush’s failed, illegal, pointless occupations?
doesn’t seem a very intellectually coherent position – spend political and financial capital to kill faraway Muslims, hoard political and financial capital so Americans don’t get universal health care.
quite a gryphon, or a manticore!
Great letter and you are right about Arne Duncan too. I heard a spot on him speaking on his education goals and thought it sounded like a recasting of NCLB more than anything else.
To date, I am quite disappointed in white America for its failing to come around to the notional that both the Indian Health Services and the VA systemic is effective and successfull. Both have been ‘measured’ on an annual basis, on both success and cost.
And my Question and Contention is this: If white America is unwilling or unable to build on the existing platform of either of these two medical vehicles that are readily available, should I as a Chicano from the Sonoran Desert [insert Arizona here] follow my fellow Democrats into the political crapper and wallow in this continued filth provided to me by Corporate America’s “noblesse oblige” for the next forty years?
Now, to some, I sound somewhat harsh, but hell, we ended up as a nation in Iraq with no ‘unassailable facts’, and sadly, I equate any discussion on “medical care delivered” as being intellectually lazy. To wit, when the Left-of-Center conceded to any “public option”, the argument for universal health care was lost. Consequently, advocating for the VA’s systemic from the outset, would have prohibited the Oval Office and Congress from “marketing” their neo-liberal formula.
And as a military vet of the Vietnam War vintange, I expect “equality” from my family members, friends and neighbors. Thus, I am obligated to return this “equality” in full measure to my family members, friends and neighbors. For in failing to do so, I fail to Honor myself.
So, what say you, regarding Equality and Honor?
Jaango
Jaango
I don’t agree with Ezra, so I’m glad you’re making these points, but I don’t see why you attribute his views to his having access.
What I mainly hear him saying on his site is that people are paying too much attention to the public plan while a lot of other fundamental issues – like how much subsidy are we going to give people to pay for insurance and what kind of community ratings and rescission rules we’re going to have – aren’t being talked about. He’s also recently realized that there’s a problem with messaging, and he’s started saying that the WH is talking too much about costs and not enough about the moral urgency of providing health care to everyone – the 47 million who don’t have it.
He’s not as sharp as you are, and he doesn’t have a specific frame in mind – like Medicare for all. It may be that’s just not his strength, and in fairness to him that’s not what he’s selling. His gig is trying to tell people what’s going on and his view, on a policy level, of how big a deal it would be.
By the way, Medicare for all was a nonstarter with just about every organized interest in the country – not just insurance plans but also doctors, hospitals, and yes, *unions*. Good luck with that. We won an election, not a revolution. When Social Security was enacted, it failed to cover most people. Medicare was pretty stingy. You jam your foot in the door and grow the program over time. That’s the goal here. And if we actually get a plan that covers 97% of people, is funded by taxes on top earners or providers of cadillac health plans, has adequate subsidies, real rules to insist on community ratings and block rescissions, that’s a damn good start.
Who said anything about trolls having an intellectually coherent position? Having just the opposite is what makes them trolls. I don’t consider single payer advocates trolls, otherwise I’d have to label myself, selise and a number of others as trolls.
exactly. Then they succumbed to buyers remorse, and the sunk-costs fallacy, and dug in more and more in defense of further watered-down, useless compromise proposals.
Equality and Honor – they won’t let you down.
fetishizing settling for the least worst – well we know where that gets us, here we are!
hey PW, still waiting to be enlightened as to how cutting $35 billion from Medicare over 10 years is worth whipping for?
Back to the cesspool.
Namaste
We are not considered important enough (no repeated $2K or more checks to the DNC, state parties, individual Dems), so we are getting screwed. If this happens with the desperately needed health CARE reform, and becomes what Obama called it in his prime time press conference last week, “health insurance reform,” then people die. Screwed to the point of death: There oughta be a law.
I suggest we pick a date for a national resignation from the Democratic Party, now the Formerly Known as Democratic Party, per lambert strether at Correntewire.com…or, for more punch, the FKD Party.
One day –or, to accommodate demands of work and real life, one week– when disillusioned, disappointed, and under the bus Dems go to their local voter registration sites and de-register as Dems and register as Independents or something to the left that’s doable.
Onesy, twosies don’t get noticed, at least not until numbers pile up: A day or week of many people leaving the FKD Party just might (well, unless they think their corporate overlords can buy them enough votes to stay in office) get some attention.
What think you all?
“And if we actually get a plan that covers 97% of people, is funded by taxes on top earners or providers of cadillac health plans, has adequate subsidies, real rules to insist on community ratings and block rescissions, that’s a damn good start.”
That’s a helluva big “if” TedL. After seeing what THIS president and THIS congress have done compromising the store away on the stimulus package, bankruptcy cramdown, card check, Guantanamo, etc. I’m not quite as hopeful as you that your “if actually” could happen at all.
Perhaps I’m being pessimistic or is it realistic? Obama has kept his powder dry until it has lost its ability to fire now, I fear. He keeps waiting on congress and the netroots to get America behind his agenda without spending any political capital at all and now that capital is being lost as his popularity wanes and people lose faith that any real change will ever come.
Americans are hurting financially in a big way and a few dollars here and there in a tax cut or fee reduction without subsequent real policy change just doesn’t cut it — especially after watching the Fed hand the banksters trillions of dollars with no strings attached and seeing them blowing up the bubble again and taking obscene profits and bonuses. Ditto on the BushCo-level secrecy, the missteps on LBBT issues, the Iraq and Afghanistan debacles, etc.
Why do you think Obama’s health care “reform” is going to be any different from anything else he’s done so far with this same congress?
I’m hearing on NPR “political junkie” segment on TOTN that “a deal has been reached.” No real details, but called it the “centrist plan.”
Great. Of course, the discussion was about whether liberals will be mad at Obama and how will he handle us, how his numbers are going down (altho’ it was pointed out that “the only ones’ lower are everyone else’s.)
I gotta give credit to my local paper’s ombudsman (public rep, they call it), who had a good piece Sunday on how the coverage of the health care bills is failing the public.
Bob Richter actually leads his column with:
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We are not considered important enough (no repeated $2K or more checks to the DNC, state parties, individual Dems), so we are getting screwed. If this happens with the desperately needed health CARE reform, and becomes what Obama called it in his prime time press conference last week, “health insurance reform,” then people die. Screwed to the point of death: There oughta be a law.
I suggest we pick a date for a national resignation from the Democratic Party, now the Formerly Known as Democratic Party, per lambert strether at Correntewire.com…or, for more punch, the FKD Party.
One day –or, to accommodate demands of work and real life, one week– when disillusioned, disappointed, and under the bus Dems go to their local voter registration sites and de-register as Dems and register as Independents or something to the left that’s doable.
Onesy, twosies don’t get noticed, at least not until numbers pile up: A day or week of many people leaving the FKD Party just might (well, unless they think their corporate overlords can buy them enough votes to stay in office) get some attention.
What think you all?
Apologies for dup–tried to edit first version, seemed to disappear. Live and learn.
Well, this will teach those uppity Swedes.
Oh come on, it isn’t about messaging. It’s about content, or the lack thereof. No one forced Obama and the Democrats to talk all about funding schemes. They could have begun by talking about health and care in America. They could have looked at other countries’ experiences, countries that have better health outcomes than ours at lower cost. They could have looked at Medicare and the VA in this country. They could, God forbid, have gotten the CBO to cost out single payer.
They didn’t do any of these things because that would have endangered a sellout to insurance companies. How they were going to sell out to insurance companies has really been the only subject on the table from the start. I find it obscene that Klein at this late date thinks that the 50 million Americans (or more there have been a lot of job losses with loss of insurance that aren’t being counted) should only now be considered that a political prop is needed. How can Klein invoke moral urgency anyway when co-op or exchange, most of this stuff won’t even begin to happen until 2013?
Seriously, I would like to ask Ezra Klein to name the year when he thinks basic health care will be available to all American citizens, and exactly why it would take so long. It’s easy to say “go slow” when you already have the shizzle.
the deal – is $100B shaved off. they got co-ops introduced in to the Bill – although the Public Option has been retained.
TPM
how fucking handy that co-ops may appear in the final House Bill language – just in time for conference committee
Rahm’s cretins got the one thing they really wanted out of this – the August delay. way to marshal it Henry
The Finns only have a lower infant mortality rate than the U.S. because they do not embrace American exceptionalism.
[As of 2008, 22 countries have lower infant mortality rates than the U.S.]
“Since ranking a fairly respectable 12th in 1960, the U.S. fell to an all-time low 29th in the world in infant mortality in 2004, according to the report Recent Trends in Infant Mortality in the United States from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The U.S. infant mortality ranking has been falling steadily, from 23rd in 1990, to 27th in 2000.
The U.S. infant mortality rate of 6.78 infant deaths per 1,000 live births in 2004, compared unfavorably with the lowest rates of 3.5 per 1,000 reported in Scandinavian and East Asian countries. Overall, 22 countries had infant mortality rates below 5.0 in 2004.
“The U.S. infant mortality rate is higher than those in most other developed countries, and the gap between the U.S. infant mortality rate and the rates for the countries with the lowest infant mortality appears to be widening,” stated the CDC report.
According to the report, the infant mortality rate for non-Hispanic black women was 2.4 times the rate for non-Hispanic white women. Infant mortality rates were also elevated for Puerto Rican and American Indian or Alaska Native women.”
http://usgovinfo.about.com/b/2…..-again.htm
This is why we need to go slow.
Exactly …. just received this snow job email from Rahm Central Station:
Dear Friend,
If you’re like most Americans, there’s nothing more important to you about health care than peace of mind.
Given the status quo, that’s understandable. The current system often denies insurance due to pre-existing conditions, charges steep out-of-pocket fees – and sometimes isn’t there at all if you become seriously ill.
It’s time to fix our unsustainable insurance system and create a new foundation for health care security. That means guaranteeing your health care security and stability with eight basic consumer protections:
No discrimination for pre-existing conditions
No exorbitant out-of-pocket expenses, deductibles or co-pays
No cost-sharing for preventive care
No dropping of coverage if you become seriously ill
No gender discrimination
No annual or lifetime caps on coverage
Extended coverage for young adults
Guaranteed insurance renewal so long as premiums are paid
Learn more about these consumer protections at Whitehouse.gov.
Over the next month there is going to be an avalanche of misinformation and scare tactics from those seeking to perpetuate the status quo. But we know the cost of doing nothing is too high. Health care costs will double over the next decade, millions more will become uninsured, and state and local governments will go bankrupt.
It’s time to act and reform health insurance, drive down costs and guarantee the health care security and stability of every American family. You can help by putting these core principles of reform in the hands of your friends, your family, and the rest of your social network.
Thank you,
Barack Obama
Uh Hugh, we’ve been predicting this moment and planning for it from the start, so I’m not sure who you’re talking about.
If you’re like most Americans, there’s nothing more important to you about health care than peace of mind.
Well, no. As someone who cannot afford health insurance, the most important thing to me about health care is … umm … having it.
But I guess I’m one of those glass half emptiers.
He’s with WaPo now. So far, only Greg Sargent as been able to work their and stay progressive. Looks like Klein is joing the Village.
So what happens is exactly what we’ve been saying would happen – nay, what we’ve been planning for and designing our campaign around — and somehow this proves you’re right. About what we’re not quite sure.
One of the great things about having people like you out of the battle is that we don’t have to take responsibility for the things you say like we do when you’re on “our side.”
News flash from Agence France-Presse:
U.S. Congress declares Health Care Access Reform for All Americans Priority Number One …. when pigs fly.
WASHINGTON — Five of the US Senate’s summer pages — student-aged youngsters getting an inside glimpse of the congress — have been quarantined because they may have “swine flu,” according to officials.
In a memorandum to Senate offices late Tuesday, Sergeant-at-Arms Terrance Gainer said the pages were “resting comfortable apart from their peers and will not be allowed to return to work until cleared” by doctors.
The Senate’s Office of Attending Physician “believes that they most likely have influenza, quite possibly the H1N1 virus,” Gainer said.
But doctors will not test the pages for swine flu “since the test itself is uncomfortable and the results of the test will not alter the treatment plan”
“While it is not unusual for several pages in a class of 50 to be ill at any given time, we are aware that the flu is of particular concern to our community right now,” said Gainer.
“The Office of the Attending Physician is closely monitoring the situation and does not believe that further actions on the part of the Senate Community are necessary at this time. If that changes, we will let you know,” he said.
Paging all Blue Dog & Republican members of congress (except certain progressives who have taken Jane’s pledge.) Your federally paid for health insurance has been rescinded. Go to the nearest emergency room, and wait in line for someone to see you, then pay out of your own pocket for all services and prescribed meds.
Public option isn’t on that list. That’s odd.
Try this proposed resolution for the Congressional Progressive Caucus:
What exactly did your planning consist of because I did not see it. I saw support for a public option and criticism of single payer (because it wasn’t going to happen). Now you are telling me you knew the public option wasn’t going to happen so I don’t understand the original take on single payer. If they both were going nowhere, shouldn’t that have been the focus of debate? Why they weren’t? Why whip for one if you thought it was a non-starter? Why not have used the time to educate about single payer and designing a fair and effective healthcare system?
As things stand now, a public option is history or, in the low likelihood that it survives, will be so weak and delayed as to present nothing to build on.
I think we need to go back and look at what real, progressive health reform would look like.
Rahm’s Public Option for Americans — Chapter 11, 13 or 7
Unfortunately, the kind of public option Rahm’s pushing for health care access reform is the same Goldman Sach drivel circling the drain over at Treasury, DOJ & the Fed for effective financial/banking regulation and enforcement.
It’s a Snow Blow Job. The public gets snowed. And Big Pharma, the insurance industry, their hired lobbyist hacks and the Villagers get blowed (sic). h/t to Marcy for her teachable moment on national TV.
Swim upstream a little further . . .
The real battle that has to be fought and won first is to demolish the “tax and spend” label that was so carefully crafted and marketed for the past few decades.
I keep going back to the Depression (the other one) and some of the great public works that were built on public money in California alone — the Golden Gate Bridge, the San Francisco Bay Bridge, and the Hetch Hetchy reservoir and aqueduct.
Bonds issued for the bridges were retired from tolls, and water bills paid off the third project.
If you proposed any of these today, you’d have to look at your shoes, clear your throat, and mumble some platitude about “public-private partnerships”.
The moral is, we could have single payer and a wonderful system, but we have to fund it. Most likely from taxes. That’s what they’re for.
But the essential first step is to prevent the bleating masses chanting, “Taxes bad.”
Democrats have always stood up for the have nots.
until the 1990s that is.
Vote Nader in ‘12. No, he wouldn’t win, but then again, neither would Obama.
Single payer!
Vote Nader in ‘12. No, he wouldn’t win, but then again, neither would Obama.
Thats win win!
How do we get a ‘recusal’ stipulation for Congress that would prohibit ‘conflict of interest’ voting. Legislation involving ‘Big Donors’ forces them to recuse themselves just like a judge admits the conflict, elected officials should be held to the same, obvious, scrutiny.
I have noticed Ezra Klein’s careerist maneuverings for a few months now. He is an up and coming kewl kid. I no longer plan on reading his pieces as he is just another fluffer.
Well, that post succeeded in getting me to join, after having been on dKos and a few other sites for years but never coming over here. I agree that Ezra is going native a bit, but he also happens to be right that single-payer or even the public option are not necessary for good health care reform. There are in fact nations with universal health care systems that have costs in line with single-payer systems but use multiple private payers. The systems are very different from ours, so big changes are necessary regardless, but you can’t say that reform is impossible without a public option or single payer because other nations like Germany, the Netherlands and Switzerland show that it can be done.
Also, it looks like Paul Krugman is about to join the squeeze play. He has noticed that single payer is not necessary for a well-functioning universal health care system, even if he still gives the edge to public payers. http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/07/28/676/
This post got me to join as well. I haven’t been here in a while, and I’m somewhat surprised at Jane’s response and the vitriol. Not sure impugning Ezra’s motives is the most constructive of criticisms, despite the fact that he’s now a member of the dreaded MSM.
Ezra made a pretty simple point. The number of people projected to be enrolled in the public plan, under all proposed bills, may not be enough to make a big dent in the overall reform effort. As such, the public plan as it currently stands, may not be the most important part of the legislation. You may disagree with this analysis, but I think it’s pretty clearly explained and reasoned.
I don’t see how Scarecrow can unequivocally state that it is “the obvious solution of creating an alternative that people could choose and that would force the industry to shape up, become more efficient or lose market share”
Now I assume all of us want universal healthcare and most of us want single payer. And to some extent we hope the public plan would be the Trojan horse that destroys the corrupt health insurance industry. But barring underpants gnomes, I’m not sure there’s a direct line between a firewalled public plan and the kind of system we all want.
In short, you may disagree with Ezra’s analysis (though I haven’t seen any substantial refutation of his facts), but given his blogging history and integrity he deserves better than to be considered in the pocket of Big Obama for having a different view.
“Extra” Klein is in the “sterilized box” for the Neo-Liberal formula.
Thus, his perspective and analysis is solely focused on the Neo-liberal formula, notwithstanding, the “unassailable facts” relative to Single Payer, or to my advocacy for expanding either the Indian Health Services or the VA’s medical systemic which would encompass “medical care delivered”.
Consequently, in fairness to Mister “Extra”, I will bow down in Humility to “Extra” when his brings forth to the general public the “unassailable facts” relative Single Payer and IHS/VA into his litany of factual assertions. Until then, he has carefully ’staged’ himself as a propagandist for the Neo-liberals.
And as a suggestion to Mr. “Extra” I would encourage him to ask our Elected Officials in either the House or the Senate, which among them, would prefer standing in line with Native Americans in front of the admissions desk at any facility managed by Indian Health Services? He won’t and he can’t for in doing so, he will politicallhy ‘de-sterilize’ himself.
Jaango
I usually wouldn’t post at this site, but you mentioned Reagan, and you know what they say. Speak of the devil and he doth appear, or at least one of him minions, and that would be me. Pres. George W. (prescription drug plan) Bush was not right of Reagan, or are you attempting to co-op him now that he’s dead and can’t protest? It doesn’t matter because your plan will not work. Zombie Reagan 2012.