Sherrod Brown says that the Senate will pass a strong public option:
We’re going to enact strong insurance reform rules so they can’t game the system, the community rating system and preexisting conditions, ban all of that.
But we still need the public option to keep the insurance companies honest. We’re going to insist on it in the Senate. We’re going to get it in the Senate. They are going to do it in the House. We’re going to have a strong public option. That’s going to be a major part of our health care bill.
Not many people will remember that the whole idea for the House whip effort came back in April when it was rumored that 14 progressive Senators would band together to insist on a public plan being included in any health care bill.
We don’t have much influence over Senators so whipping them doesn’t do any good, but it’s something that they certainly might do on their own. If the Enzi-Baucus-Snowe deal picks up 3 Republican votes, there are still more than enough progressive votes in he Senate to derail the Baucus bill.
There are a lot of Senators pissed off because the Finance committee — which was only supposed to deal with finance — decided to write the entire health care bill themselves and flip the bird to the HELP committee (which Sherrod Brown is on).
If the progressives in the House likewise revolt, the Senate just might find the nerve to push back against Baucus. Remember, those who want a public plan have 76% of the country behind them. Those who want to bail out Blue Cross to the tune of a trillion dollars are relying on their pissy sense of privilege being successfully sold as "fiscal responsibility."
I won’t say it’s likely, but it could happen.





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maybe Senator Brown could have a word with Senator Stabenow – about an hour ago on CNN she was busy conflating co-ops with the Public Option – unbelievable mush-mouth performance
This is part of an E-mail I received yesterday from Sen Michael Bennet
Did I hear the sound of a glove being tossed in Max Baucus’ face?
Why, yes, yes I did — tens of thousands of gloves, in fact, according to this petition started by three other Democratic Senators:
Somehow I don’t think Big Bucks Baucus will get much rest on his vacation.
yep. I’ve already seen 3 different groups (1 from Montana) making plans to head to Camp Baucus this year -
Sherrod Brown gives me hope all isn’t lost in Washington, and reflects well on our state.
Now if we can replace
Caspar MilquetoastGeorge Voinovich with another truly progressive dem, we might be able to pull out of this death spiral we’ve got going here.Jane… nobody commented on this anywhere that I have seen… but Lawrence O’Donnell was on David Shuster (sitting in for KO) last week…
And he said what was to me a very depressing thing:
That the way the health reform committees are operating is exactly the way they did in 1994… they are following the same template… and it’s being performed by the same committees. LO’D was COS of the SFC during that time, so he should know how it went down.
So it’s deja vu all over again… let’s hope the outcome is different… but frankly, even the two public options in the Senate and House (assuming they survive to see the light of day) are not nearly strong enough because
1) people can’t leave their company assisted health insurance unless the premiums exceed unrealistically high thresholds (11% in the House and 12.5% in the Senate of gross pay). That threshold means far fewer can opt for the public option.
2) So of the remaining Americans, without employer assisted insurance, if you are truly middle class… there will be no subsidies for you… the subsidies are tied to the FPL, which is understandable. But once again the middleclass is screwed. And profit-driven killing machines will continue unfettered.
3) I’ve heard that the elimination of receissions based on pre-existing conditions will be for NEW policies, not existing ones.
So all in all… not exactly robust imho.
Voinovich has been blasting rethugs of late
http://www.delawareliberal.net…..n-the-gop/
Degette’s position
http://fwix.com/share/27_d5d52adb89
Don’t be fooled. Sherrod Brown is no progressive.
Do we know who the 14 progressive Senators are? I clicked the link, but didn’t find their names. Thanks…
Chris Dodd is grasping for any support he can find right now. Maybe he’ll come around.
I beg to differ. He’s my senator, and he is reliably progressive.
We’ll see.
Don’t know. Which is one of the reasons I’m not filled with confidence.
Oh sure, cheer me up with Brown’s clip, then go and dash my hopes… ; )
Thanks Jane for all of your hard work on this. I would feel better if the progressives in either chamber ever showed any backbone at all, but they appear to be much better at making excuses: first it was the Republicans fault, now it’s the Blue Dogs, one wonders what they plan to run on in 2010… “Vote for us, because because… ummm, so we can complain about how we are totally helpless compared to Republicans and Blue Dogs.” Yeah, that will get them votes alright.
Except no health care bill got out of committee in 1993 or 1994, so it’s not exactly the same.
Exactly. Which is why we still have a fighting chance.
By the way, if any of you feel like visiting Big Bucks Baucus and saying hello, he’ll be at a Jon Tester fundraiser early next month:
Obama said it best. To paraphrase:
As goes health care so goes the economy.
EPUed on the Gibbs thread, so I reposted:
Before anybody decides to make a run to the store for straight edge razor blades, we need to clarify the conflict between these two statements:
Gibbs at yesterday’s presser: “I don’t believe that the President has come down one versus the other in terms of denoting co-ops equal to or above public option.”
&
Obama in a speech today before the AARP, according to Edgewater @17: Today in front of the AARP, Obama — not once but twice — said there WOULD be a ‘public option,’ and there was not one peep about a co-op. Which as everyone knows is no public option.
* * *
Despite the cautionary words, I’m pretty sure I know what’s up, so here’s my take on it:
I decided awhile ago that Obama is as useless as teats on a bull. He’s smart, handsome, and a great public speaker, but he’s as shallow as shallow gets. Principles mean nothing to him. He worships power, status, and wealth. He feeds off attention, and will go along to get along to avoid conflict, which makes him uncomfortable. He is a wizard of self deception who parses his words in extremely subtle ways to deliberately appear to be saying one thing that his audience wants to hear when his actual belief is something different. That’s how he can keep a straight face and believe he isn’t lying when he tells his AARP audience there will be “a public option” when he knows that option will be a co-op. I doubt he even realizes that all he’s doing is lying in a more sophisticated way. So, he’s okay with lying because the word has many gradations of meaning, blah, blah, blah. He has tragically devoted far too much brain power coming up with justifications to use deception to get what he wants. I’ve spent a lot of time researching what candidate Obama said and comparing it to what President Obama said or did. He’s a serial liar bought and paid for by corporate America and we’re fortunate to have discovered the real Obama at the midpoint of his first year in office.
We have to find a way to derail his efforts to: (1) institutionalize the changes wrought by the Bush-Cheney rape of our Constitution, (2) block all efforts to investigate and hold them accountable, (3) commit us to war without end in Afghanistan without ever really withdrawing from Iraq, and (4) invading Iran under false pretexts when she is encircled by U.S. troops massing along her borders.
Yes indeed, the Project for the New American Century is alive and well and we’re better off knowing it now, even though the impending defeat of meaningful health care reform is a very bitter pill to swallow.
I think we should urge all Democrats to vote against the final version of the bill if it doesn’t have a strong public option and place the blame on the Blue Dogs, their Republican allies, and the insurance industry.
Unemployment is next up because I assure you Obama has done all he intends to do to solve that problem.
Why aren’t progressives screaming that as if their hair was on fire?
In The Newshour conversation 2 guys with Judy Woodruff both mostly think there will be a sort of public plan…a view of opening the door. Two much smoke/noise etc to not pass something. Details very unclear, but this small agreement about the state of play.
Hey, Dr./Gov Howard Dean is in for Keef on Countdown, and he’s hammering healthcare reform very hard. And he’s got the Cigna whistle-blower on now.
Didn’t know the guy (Dean) had Teh Journalist in him, too. He’s asking very strong questions.
FunnyWheelieDiva
Because that would come dangerously close to giving Obama credit for something.
Since when do the Blue Dogs control what’s going on in the House? Didn’t we elect a Democratic House majority specifically so we could get meaningful health care reform?
Where is Obama, BTW?
Since the presser (which ended up generating a good portion of the Gates/Cambridge PD ink), the POTUS is not exactly rallying the troops…
Gah….I posted in the wrong thread. I hate when that happens.
Doing an hour of network television, live and with guests – what a hurdle. I’m sure it is extremely difficult, and although Dr. Dean isn’t making it look easy, he is doing it very well.
We should give some good-natured grief about his debut when his Book Salon rolls around in August.
LOL.
I think he’s doing great…just a bit wooden in the presentation. We can’t all be Rachel Maddow!
He and his writers are certainly presenting the facts and calling out the lies.
Anybody know why Keef is taking soooo much time off right now? Is MSNBC auditioning a replacement host or something? There’s important stuff going on…I miss him, though I wish he’d be as on point as what Dean is presenting tonight…
FWDiva
And here’s one way the Progressive Caucus could revolt, if it were so minded:
Hey, even it’s 11-dimensional chess on the grand scale it might work out better than whatever, if anything, it is that they’ve been doing so far!
Cooperstown.
nuff said for the baseball crazy Olbermann
But it seems like he’s been there for WEEKS! And the weather can’t be that great…
So much for taking one for the team, Keef!
From Dr Dean: Online discussion continues at progressivebookclub.com
FWDiva
That the way the health reform committees are operating is exactly the way they did in 1994… let’s hope the outcome is different…
Translation: Doing the same thing and expecting a different result.
Screw Max Baucaus and all the pimps he rode in to town with. From Brown’s lips to God’s ears.
Scarecrow’s Seminal Diary, promoted here!
Why Did NYT Do a Puff Piece on Finance Members Holding Up Health Reform?
This one is easy. It’s the NYTimes!
I think that we ought to challenge every congressman or senator who opposes federally funded health care by asking them why they deserve federally funded health care (footed by taxpayers) and we don’t? If they are serious about being fiscally responsible they should give up their health insurance.
Eli is upstairs at the Mothership!
Grandma’s Old Party
Just saw Bernie Sanders on Maddow. He sez that only by millions of people calling will we achieve even Public Option
Here is a list of Progressive Caucus members to call.
http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/…..ItemID=159
We better do this, I think
a fighting chance to fight for a crappy bill . . . typically no response from cheerleader PW to booyah’s points:
fight fight fight – to make shiite coverage from profit driven insurance oligopoly mandatory!
how degraded can you get? (D) captured pwogressives truly are political masochists.
For those who doubt Sen Brown, it is my understanding that he is the only member of Congress who has refused his govt health ins on the basis that it is not available to everyone. He pays for his own insurance.
Mike Stark needs to forget the birther stuff (even though it is great reporting) and start hunting down the insurance underwriters who deny women breast cancer treatment because they had acne. Drag these idiots out into the sunlight and expose them for the worthless trash they are. Camp out in front of their houses, embarrass them in front of their children,give them the Fox News bum rush, make people afraid to work for insurance companies.
Thank god for Kennedy, Kerry’s not firm on public option. Do you think he might be influenced by the millions he receives in campaign contributions from the industry?
Jane thanks for this article. We’re “all in” now and we need to be ready to act, so keeping us informed is keeping us connected. Thanks.