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	<title>Comments on: Gibbs:  Obama Has No Preference For Public Plan Over Co-ops</title>
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		<title>By: warrenterrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>warrenterrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am in a similar situation to Priscilla. I have 2 Repub senators. I call Reid. I’ve called Baucus, Conrad and Bingaman on my own dime. I’ve emailed the WH. I’ve done all of this several times. I’ve given money to the Dems. I’ve given time. They have their 60 votes. They have a Dem. president and yet they can’t pass a public option. What else would you suggest that I do?&lt;br /&gt;
I hate to say this but I see no other option except to go after Medicare and Medicaid and most importantly go after the benefits of elected officials and government employee healthcare. You have to trash the whole system to get everybody covered.&lt;br /&gt;
And oh yeah, there is another option that I am considering. Emigrating to another country. Right now, I feel like all I have to do is slip on some ice and break my leg and I would be broke because I would lose my job, not be able to afford my insurance and on top of that I would never be able to be insured again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in a similar situation to Priscilla. I have 2 Repub senators. I call Reid. I’ve called Baucus, Conrad and Bingaman on my own dime. I’ve emailed the WH. I’ve done all of this several times. I’ve given money to the Dems. I’ve given time. They have their 60 votes. They have a Dem. president and yet they can’t pass a public option. What else would you suggest that I do?<br />
I hate to say this but I see no other option except to go after Medicare and Medicaid and most importantly go after the benefits of elected officials and government employee healthcare. You have to trash the whole system to get everybody covered.<br />
And oh yeah, there is another option that I am considering. Emigrating to another country. Right now, I feel like all I have to do is slip on some ice and break my leg and I would be broke because I would lose my job, not be able to afford my insurance and on top of that I would never be able to be insured again.</p>
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		<title>By: peony</title>
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		<dc:creator>peony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We need a bit more unity of purpose and energy to lobby Congress instead of just kvetching.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, Priscilla makes a good point.  The “just kvetching” is an assumption based on nothing/lack of knowledge speeding to a conclusion.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We need a bit more unity of purpose and energy to lobby Congress instead of just kvetching.</p>
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<p>Yeah, Priscilla makes a good point.  The “just kvetching” is an assumption based on nothing/lack of knowledge speeding to a conclusion.</p>
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		<title>By: PriscillaQOB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PriscillaQOB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;MarkH I have been a member of the Lake for a long, long time.  I don’t comment very frequently due to a very busy work schedule but I resent your negative comment about me.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You don’t know what I do to support Jane and her efforts.  As a matter of fact, I was on the phone today on my own dime calling my senators and representatives to urge them to support real reform.  Not much good it did here in conservative FL but I did it anyway.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll kvetch whenever I want to, especially since there is no one to kvetch to here where I live in an 80+% republican district.  And if we don’t don’t kvetch here then how exactly is the democratic party supposed to find out that we’re not happy with them right now and which direction we need to go next?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am an old political worker bee and I don’t need to be told to shut up and work harder, thank you.  Those who abhor criticism of the party and the president are a stumbling block because of the go along to get along attitude (that Obama has also embraced) that does little more than maintain an unacceptable status quo.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MarkH I have been a member of the Lake for a long, long time.  I don’t comment very frequently due to a very busy work schedule but I resent your negative comment about me.  </p>
<p>You don’t know what I do to support Jane and her efforts.  As a matter of fact, I was on the phone today on my own dime calling my senators and representatives to urge them to support real reform.  Not much good it did here in conservative FL but I did it anyway.  </p>
<p>I’ll kvetch whenever I want to, especially since there is no one to kvetch to here where I live in an 80+% republican district.  And if we don’t don’t kvetch here then how exactly is the democratic party supposed to find out that we’re not happy with them right now and which direction we need to go next?  </p>
<p>I am an old political worker bee and I don’t need to be told to shut up and work harder, thank you.  Those who abhor criticism of the party and the president are a stumbling block because of the go along to get along attitude (that Obama has also embraced) that does little more than maintain an unacceptable status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What’s depressing is the slew of new names around here who have nothing good to say about anything and they don’t seem to be interested in Jane’s efforts to continue pushing hard to get the reform.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We need a bit more unity of purpose and energy to lobby Congress instead of just kvetching.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s depressing is the slew of new names around here who have nothing good to say about anything and they don’t seem to be interested in Jane’s efforts to continue pushing hard to get the reform.</p>
<p>We need a bit more unity of purpose and energy to lobby Congress instead of just kvetching.</p>
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		<title>By: PriscillaQOB</title>
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		<dc:creator>PriscillaQOB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 00:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Atrios is reporting that today the Treasury Department sat down with the mortgage lenders and asked them to refinance loans before the next big wave of reset foreclosures.  There was no demanding, no arm-twisting, no threats, just a “pretty please?”  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At this point I have to painfully conclude that this administration is floundering around without a rudder, unable to take control of any situation or legislation, captive to corporate interests and a hand full of republican “moderates” and Blue Dog traitors, and totally without leadership ability.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sucks bad.  35 years of supporting the democratic party and believing that eventually we would regain control of Congress and the White House and begin to undo the evils of Nixon, Reagan, the Bushes, Gingrinch and Lott (and all the other Sith Lords of the Republican leadership).  I worked my butt off, raising money, manning phones, walking door to door to GOTV, donated money I could ill afford, all to nothing.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama is clearly more than willing to continue the worst of the Bush presidency, continue the business lobby/Republican destruction of public education, sell-out real health care  reform to avoid being compared to Clinton, prop up Wall Street and his corporate masters while letting average Americans drown in debt, and let the wars go on ad infinitum.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When he said on the campaign trail and in the debates that he didn’t care if he was a one-term president as long as he did the right thing I foolishly believed him.  I was troubled by his FISA sell-out but overlooked it much to my own detriment.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m 50 years old and am too tired to play this losing game anymore.  I put off much-needed health care because I can’t afford it, even with my employer provided insurance.  I will never own a home as a single school teacher — my salary won’t ever support it. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At this point I don’t even know if I have enough heart left to support some kind of alternative to the democratic party.  After 35 years of being lied to and abused I’m reaching the point of no return when it comes to politics.  No one gives a damn about me and my friends so why should I work for them to get elected?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama’s inability or unwillingness to engage in the political process in congress and to lead will be the end of all hope  — Republicans will rise again on a tide of disappointment and they will finish their mission of destroying America for any but the wealthiest.  It’s already happened in California….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atrios is reporting that today the Treasury Department sat down with the mortgage lenders and asked them to refinance loans before the next big wave of reset foreclosures.  There was no demanding, no arm-twisting, no threats, just a “pretty please?”  </p>
<p>At this point I have to painfully conclude that this administration is floundering around without a rudder, unable to take control of any situation or legislation, captive to corporate interests and a hand full of republican “moderates” and Blue Dog traitors, and totally without leadership ability.</p>
<p>Sucks bad.  35 years of supporting the democratic party and believing that eventually we would regain control of Congress and the White House and begin to undo the evils of Nixon, Reagan, the Bushes, Gingrinch and Lott (and all the other Sith Lords of the Republican leadership).  I worked my butt off, raising money, manning phones, walking door to door to GOTV, donated money I could ill afford, all to nothing.   </p>
<p>Obama is clearly more than willing to continue the worst of the Bush presidency, continue the business lobby/Republican destruction of public education, sell-out real health care  reform to avoid being compared to Clinton, prop up Wall Street and his corporate masters while letting average Americans drown in debt, and let the wars go on ad infinitum.  </p>
<p>When he said on the campaign trail and in the debates that he didn’t care if he was a one-term president as long as he did the right thing I foolishly believed him.  I was troubled by his FISA sell-out but overlooked it much to my own detriment.  </p>
<p>I’m 50 years old and am too tired to play this losing game anymore.  I put off much-needed health care because I can’t afford it, even with my employer provided insurance.  I will never own a home as a single school teacher — my salary won’t ever support it. </p>
<p>At this point I don’t even know if I have enough heart left to support some kind of alternative to the democratic party.  After 35 years of being lied to and abused I’m reaching the point of no return when it comes to politics.  No one gives a damn about me and my friends so why should I work for them to get elected?</p>
<p>Obama’s inability or unwillingness to engage in the political process in congress and to lead will be the end of all hope  — Republicans will rise again on a tide of disappointment and they will finish their mission of destroying America for any but the wealthiest.  It’s already happened in California….</p>
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		<title>By: Mason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 23:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Before anybody decides to make a run to the store for straight edge razor blades, we need to clarify the conflict between these two statements:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Gibbs at yesterday’s presser: “I don’t believe that the President has come down one versus the other in terms of denoting co-ops equal to or above public option.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Obama in a speech today before the AARP, according to Edgewater @17: Today in front of the AARP, Obama — not once but twice — said there WOULD be a ‘public option,’ and there was not one peep about a co-op. Which as everyone knows is no public option.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;*   *   *&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I decided awhile ago that Obama is as useless as teats on a bull. He’s smart, handsome, and a great public speaker, but he’s as shallow as shallow gets. Principles mean nothing to him. He worships power, status, and wealth. He feeds off attention, and will go along to get along to avoid conflict, which makes him uncomfortable. He is a wizard of self deception who parses his words in extremely subtle ways to deliberately appear to be saying one thing that his audience wants to hear when his actual belief is something different. That’s how he can keep a straight face and believe he isn’t lying when he tells his AARP audience there will be “a public option” when he knows that option will be a co-op. I doubt he even realizes that all he’s doing is lying in a more sophisticated way. So, he’s okay with lying because the word has many gradations of meaning, blah, blah, blah. He has tragically devoted far too much brain power coming up with justifications to use deception to get what he wants. I’ve spent a lot of time researching what candidate Obama said and comparing it to what President Obama said or did. He’s a serial liar bought and paid for by corporate America and we’re fortunate to have discovered the real Obama at the midpoint of his first year in office.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have to find a way to derail his efforts to: (1) institutionalize the changes wrought by the Bush-Cheney rape of our Constitution, (2) block all efforts to investigate and hold them accountable, (3) commit us to war without end in Afghanistan without ever really withdrawing from Iraq, and (4) invading Iran under false pretexts when she is encircled by U.S. troops massing along her borders.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes indeed, the Project for the New American Century is alive and well and we’re better off knowing it now, even though the impending defeat of meaningful health care reform is a very bitter pill to swallow.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Unemployment is next up because I assure you Obama has done all he intends to do to solve that problem.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before anybody decides to make a run to the store for straight edge razor blades, we need to clarify the conflict between these two statements:</p>
<p>Gibbs at yesterday’s presser: “I don’t believe that the President has come down one versus the other in terms of denoting co-ops equal to or above public option.”</p>
<p>&amp;</p>
<p>Obama in a speech today before the AARP, according to Edgewater @17: Today in front of the AARP, Obama — not once but twice — said there WOULD be a ‘public option,’ and there was not one peep about a co-op. Which as everyone knows is no public option.</p>
<p>*   *   *</p>
<p>I decided awhile ago that Obama is as useless as teats on a bull. He’s smart, handsome, and a great public speaker, but he’s as shallow as shallow gets. Principles mean nothing to him. He worships power, status, and wealth. He feeds off attention, and will go along to get along to avoid conflict, which makes him uncomfortable. He is a wizard of self deception who parses his words in extremely subtle ways to deliberately appear to be saying one thing that his audience wants to hear when his actual belief is something different. That’s how he can keep a straight face and believe he isn’t lying when he tells his AARP audience there will be “a public option” when he knows that option will be a co-op. I doubt he even realizes that all he’s doing is lying in a more sophisticated way. So, he’s okay with lying because the word has many gradations of meaning, blah, blah, blah. He has tragically devoted far too much brain power coming up with justifications to use deception to get what he wants. I’ve spent a lot of time researching what candidate Obama said and comparing it to what President Obama said or did. He’s a serial liar bought and paid for by corporate America and we’re fortunate to have discovered the real Obama at the midpoint of his first year in office.</p>
<p>We have to find a way to derail his efforts to: (1) institutionalize the changes wrought by the Bush-Cheney rape of our Constitution, (2) block all efforts to investigate and hold them accountable, (3) commit us to war without end in Afghanistan without ever really withdrawing from Iraq, and (4) invading Iran under false pretexts when she is encircled by U.S. troops massing along her borders.</p>
<p>Yes indeed, the Project for the New American Century is alive and well and we’re better off knowing it now, even though the impending defeat of meaningful health care reform is a very bitter pill to swallow.</p>
<p>Unemployment is next up because I assure you Obama has done all he intends to do to solve that problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This MAY have something to do with the whole thing:&lt;br /&gt;
U.S. Budget Is Scrutinized by a Big Creditor&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/us/politics/29sanger.html?hp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07.....er.html?hp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are we really a free nation after all? I know that’s a naive question, esp regarding the state of our government these past several decades. But when Bush sold US to China, how in the world did we not think that they just might wanna dictate our policies also?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This MAY have something to do with the whole thing:<br />
U.S. Budget Is Scrutinized by a Big Creditor<br /><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/29/us/politics/29sanger.html?hp" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07&#8230;..er.html?hp</a></p>
<p>Are we really a free nation after all? I know that’s a naive question, esp regarding the state of our government these past several decades. But when Bush sold US to China, how in the world did we not think that they just might wanna dictate our policies also?</p>
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		<title>By: tbau</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;this was the case all along.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this was the case all along.</p>
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		<title>By: cent</title>
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		<dc:creator>cent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the re-post on this Jane. It needed done…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You are doing a great job…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the re-post on this Jane. It needed done…</p>
<p>You are doing a great job…</p>
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		<title>By: cent</title>
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		<dc:creator>cent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 22:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Evidently he is not saying it loudly enough….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If he were, there would be no question…but there is. Even in Gibbs mind…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidently he is not saying it loudly enough….</p>
<p>If he were, there would be no question…but there is. Even in Gibbs mind…</p>
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