This morning the Blue Dogs were meeting with Republicans about health care, and this afternoon, the Republicans release a memo:
Democratic Leadership has told Mr. Boehner’s staff that there will be no vote on Health on the Floor before recess and we will leave Friday.
We still have no confirmation of plans to resume or end the Committee Markup.
It’s incredible that we’re even having this discussion. The hard fact is that 76% of the country wants a public option. I’m not even blaming the Blue Dogs.
Where are the fucking progressives? The Blue Dogs are organized, they are whipping successfully, they know what they want and they are negotiating for it, and they don’t give a shit. The progressives are sitting in safe D+22 seats and with notable exception, they aren’t saying anything. They aren’t signing letters, they aren’t making statements, they aren’t calling the Blue Dogs out for being Blue Cross Dogs, they are just sitting there.
Are they simply counting on the Blue Dogs to back down? Dday:
Basically, this is a massive game of chicken between moderates and liberals. The moderates figure liberals will back down, based on past experience. The liberals think the moderates will do the same. What the liberals have going for them is the fact, plain fact, that a defeat of health care reform will drag down the party, and the most vulnerable seats, frankly, are occupied by those same moderates. If health care reform passes, certain lawmakers could lose seats in very particular circumstances. But if reform fails, only one group is certain to go down with it – the Blue Dogs.
I actually think the progressives are more at risk. If you look at a guy like Gene Taylor (R+16) or Mike Ross (R+7), they’re sitting in heavily Republican districts but they win by huge margins. Taylor won 74.6% of the vote in 2008 and and 79.8% in 2006. Mike Ross took 86% of the vote in 2008. Their conservative constituents won’t care if health care fails.
Liberals in D+22 districts, on the other hand, have a lot to think about. They’ve been supported by rich hippies for decades based on their "good intentions," which seem to fly out the window when push comes to shove. If you’re one of the 90 members of Congress who raised money by promising to end the war by defunding it, but weren’t one of the 32 who held their ground when the vote actually mattered, how are you going to explain it? Or how about a bad vote on the Waxman-Markey big coal bailout bill? The Blue Dogs get all the pork, the progressives get stiffed. They can’t even deliver for their districts, let alone pass progressive legislation — even with a Democrat in the White House and majorities in both houses of Congress, not to mention the magic 60 votes in the Senate.
People are paying attention to health care. If 76% of the country wants a public plan, you can imagine that figure is probably 99% in a D+22 district. How are these members going to explain selling out over and over again when 40 of them working together could have made a difference?
If we raise this debate in these districts during the August recess, it makes a crappy sell-out vote very hard to take. Lots of young enthusiastic people would like to have those seats, and if old dinosaur progressives have grown ineffective in those jobs, it’s time for new blood.




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Agree 100%
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI) in freaking Madison, won’t take the pledge.
Gwen Moore (D-WI) black caucus, won’t take the pledge.
Looks like Pelosi said, “Not so fast.” on that announcement. (( In the Update which you could not have read when you received the announcement.))
I am struggling along with the Progressives too.
Today I was so depressed that all I accomplished was sending around a copy of a local doctor’s letter to the editor. He runs a free clinic one night a week in a small city 20 miles from me. He points out in simple terms how many people he is seeing who are hurting for care and who have no medical insurance or discretionary income to pay for their own care. He asks at the end of the letter for each reader to write to their representative and senator about the need to pass the House bill.
http://www.thedailystar.com/op…..41505.html
I guess today was not a total bust, I sent an email to our local blue dog with a few points based upon their resistance to the surtax, the employer mandate, the public option. I tried to focus on their hypocrisy about saving taxpayer dollars. Maybe tomorrow I’ll have more energy to send it to more blue dogs.
I will try to call some more Progressives too. Thanks for making the public option whip count possible.
I apologize for repeating myself but I think we should jettison the blue dogs. Go for reconciliation in the Senate and bypass the Energy and Commerce committee in the House. Play hard ball.
Most of the Blue Dogs are never going to vote with us on this. With reconciliation and a full house vote, we need fewer of them.
It’s not a surprise that some Democrats will side with the republicans to go after other Democrats or their ideas. There aren’t enough real progressives to stop the madness.
Maxine Waters is out there ripping Rham & his blue dogs.
Yup. Thanks again for that, Rahm.
I’m with Jane on this — the problem isn’t the Blue Dogs really (we all know they’re useless), the problem is folks like Jim Moran (D+16) in my district and other districts where we should have true progressives in office.
If we want to win this battle in the near future, folks like Michael Bennet and Harry Reid (not a mistake) in the Senate and Jared Polis and Jim Moran need to see HEAVY primary opposition. (And whatever happened to the Accountability Now targeting of Steny Hoyer?!?) And what about Paul Hodes — where does he stand, if we’re to care about his election prospects in NH next year?
Nevada, Colorado, Iowa — these are all states where heavy activism and organizing by progressives turned these states blue. We need heavy pressure by folks on these politicians. Surely there’s a legitimate taker on for Chuck Grassley in a state that went blue by 10 points?
Doesn’t this get down to who pays the most to our Reps, liberal or conservative; their salary and perks from tax payers, or perks, bribes, PACS and “campaign contributions” from lobbyists and corporations.
Liberals that meet the above criteria will let the public option swing in the wind, in order to keep getting the big bucks, while crying about those damn Republicans (never denigrate a fellow DINO) slow boating the process.
If so, they speak very softly.
We may have to do that, but my sense is that it’s a lot less expensive for the health care lobby to buy off a few Senators. At a minimum, we needed a block of 40 progressive to “drive up the costs” of lobbyists doing business in the house. Since that hasn’t happened yet, their war chests are still significant for a push in the Senate. OT a lot of Senators are insulated by three and five years from the possibility of a primary. We got crushed in the Senate on FISA, when Harry let them all split their votes among a bunch of amendments, so they could all “appear” to be in favor of the Constitution.
Was happening before Rahm even came to the White House….
Actually, I was referring more to Rahm’s time in the House setting up shop for those wonderful Blue Dogs.
It’s completely Rahm’s fault for all eternity? I mean, really, on the morning local political show in Maine on WGAN there’s a neocon and a “liberal”. The liberal, Ken, wanted Hillary, had a temper tantrum when Hillary was out of the race, supported John McCain, and then wasted his vote by voting for Hillary anyway. He calls Obama “the Messiah” along with Mike the neocon. It’s not just those in Washington or Rahm I’m afraid! They’re everywhere.
I’d like to know how many of the Ken’s & Rahm’s of America have been calling republican House & Senate members to tell them to be against the public option or anything that guy in the White House wants?
no way rahm is doing this without obama’s approval. that’s something to consider
Maybe we liberals & progressives could emulate this Teabagger to get our message across to Obama?:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/…..ffigy-afp/
Since Obama & Rahm hate us more than Bush & Cheney did, maybe it’s the only way?
Speaking of progressives. Then again, to be fair, it’s hard to ask them to go out on a limb for a public option that’s too small to work. And that’s the problem with selling based on 130 million enrollees (the bait, the original Hacker plan) and delivering based on 9 million enrollees (the switch, the current plan). People remember that sort of thing….
Ok, so I think it is time to ask about how to change the leadership of the Progressive Caucus. That’s disturbing to me since my critter is co-chair, but something’s gotta change.
Oh, and Blue Dogs are not blue. They “caucus” with the Repugs.
Remind me again who Rahm works for? I keep forgetting.
Again, hard to get people to pledge for a program that’s too small to work. But hey, I say work with whatever we get and go for incremental change…
Why not reboot?
Why not keep things really simple and lower the age of Medicare eligility, say by 2 years every year, ’til everyone’s covered?
Changiness, not change.
Hopiness, not hope.
This is what Obama wants, and it’s what he’s likely to get. There’s a reason the progressive caucus isn’t leading on this; they are afraid of the Obama voters in their districts getting turned against them. By Obama.
The most frustrating thing about this healthcare debacle is that if (when) the limp wristed dems utterly fail to legislate any meaninful change, we will most likely be forced to wait another generation before we have an opportunity to try again. How many of us will die waiting for a national plan?
Thanks, Rahm. You’ve been a big help.
Lambert, after all your concern that ‘this place’ won’t get behind single-payer, I am trying to figure out what your aim is. Is it to deride those who settles for less-than, or is it to strive for a higher consensus? If it is the latter, it is an interesting approach indeed.
Plainly asked – what are you aiming for, and who are you aiming it at?
I think that both sets of Democrats will be in trouble if it fails. Taylor and Ross are exceptions among Blue Dogs. Conservative districts might be open to “real” Republicans. This will be especially true for freshman Blue Dogs or even for someone like Heath Shuler. In NC, I can see McIntyre going down over this if the Democratic brand gets labeled as either ineffective or “too liberal”. And, the few “yellow dog” Democratic progressives in these districts will sit on their hands, lowering the Blue Dog turnout.
Also, I question how many Blue Dogs actually will stand with the compromised Blue Dog leadership. Melancon and Ross are going to have to whip their caucus (Shuler is the whip) pretty hard in some cases. Plus there is the New Democrat caucus to contend with, which has a little overlap with the Blue Dogs.
My own sense is that the Blue Dog leadership is being suckered by the GOP and will find themselves being hammered on the “government healthcare plan” just like any other Democrat.
And on this issue, Taylor could conceiveably lose the support of black voters in their districts. And Melancon could undercut black support for his Senate bid against Vitter.
The Hippies around here aren’t going to be turning against Woolsey for being too assertive on healthcare, regardless of what Obama does or does not do.
Yes. My blue dog won his election with 700 votes. His industry contributions are heavily from UNIONS, IBEW, SEIU, Communications workers, steelworkers.
shit!
pardon my word!
if we can’t count on Progressives, how are we gonna get ANYTHING done for the 76% of us???!
i’m just amazed and appalled at this.
Where are MY REPS IN CONGRESS????
this just sux and I get angrier by the day.
i feel no more represented in the US Gov now than I did for the last 8 years.
WHAT THE HELL IS THAT ABOUT????
as do the 76% of the rest of US!
So agree.
Amen, sister. The only place I think you go off the mark is when you talk about “new blood.” New blood in the old veins won’t do shit.
Jane Hamsher, in Action, upstairs!
Sherrod Brown: “We’re Going to Have A Strong Public Option”
If Congress cannot reform health care, what can they reform? Banking? The MIC? Ag Policy?
They become irrelevant.
I feel that Jane’s comment gets at the root of a lot of problems in Congress, not just health care. Are there any available mechanisms for putting more pressure on progressives/liberals in safe districts? For instance, is there anything like Action Blue available for finding and funding primary challenges to progressive/liberal representatives and senators who won’t step up to the plate?
don’t know about that, but there’s no way obama’s chief of staff makes these kinds of moves/gestures without his approval. so don’t allow rahm to be his firewall for what increasingly seems like obama’s preferences in the first place.
this is obama’s signature project, so he’d better get out in front and lead. that starts by getting his house in order, and by leveling with the people about his true preferences (and moreover by fighting for them).
Obama was a huge mistake. I should stuck with Nader.
By the way, if any of you feel like visiting Big Bucks Baucus and saying hello, he’ll be at a Jon Tester fundraiser early next month:
PW, I am seriously considering making the drive to Montana for this.
I was looking at the interactive map of top/main insurance companies by state earlier today. I noticed that Montana has two companies in the most widely disparate percentages of any state I looked at:
BCBS 75%
some other company 10%
In other words, they say there are two companies in MT, but really, BCBS is the one on top.
In other states I checked, the gap between the top two was much less.
Scarecrow’s Seminal Diary, promoted here!
Why Did NYT Do a Puff Piece on Finance Members Holding Up Health Reform?
Going back to the Bill Clinton WH years shows lots of evidence of the Democratic Party falling down and laying down for the count.
After Newt Gingrich led the Congressional GOPers to several victories and succeeded in setting Congressional agenda for much of the 1990’s and after his self inflicted fall from grace Tom Delay ‘The Hammer’ surely knew how to shake the money trees and herd cats.
The Democrats? Opposition party much? Hummmm….no.
Along comes the all hat/no cattle cowboy from Texas in 2000 who proceeds to gore Al Gore all but good with a election snatch done in daylight.
The Democrats in Congress have exhibited little in way of Gingrich or Delay dogged political bone gnawing. Bush and Cheney started off 2001 with lots of sabre rattling over China. Along came 9/11/2001 and China suddenly was off the Bush/Cheney WH menu and soon Iraq(even though most 9/11 perps were from Saudi Arabia) was in the Bush/Cheney WH crosshairs.
The rest of the story is known well enough.
The Democrats in Congress as opposition party? Sound of crickets……..
So now after 2006 elections the DEMs gained…after 2008 elections they took over both parts of Congress and took back the WH as well.
So now here in the summer of 2009 this Democratic Party cannot give us a reset version of the VA,Medicare and Social Security–call it Universal Single Payer HealthCare–and get it moved into place and done.
Why is this so?
In that same post I said that I’d expect primary challenges to House members in progressive districts if they don’t get a public option through.
“this is a massive game of chicken between moderates and liberals.”
It is well past time to stop referring to these sleazebags as moderates or centrists. They are neo-cons with, possibly, one or two issues that are not disgusting.
Obama (or Obushma) is a complete running-dog lackey of the ruling class: gives all the money to the banksters and takes jobs and factories away from the working class; attacks LGBTs; expands war; proposes preventive detention while covering for the torture regime he succeeded; creates a “health” care plan that requires little bargaining by the right because everything was given away going in; continues the Dems’ definition of bipartisanship: noun, unconditional surrender.
The Accountability Project is the only thing that will have any effect on the reactionary Dems or the so-called progressive Dems.
I think it’s time that we, as progressives, realize that most of our political leaders are exactly the same sort of terrible individuals that run the conservatives, only they happen to spout off our pabulum instead of the other guy’s. It’s high time we cleaned house.
fattah won’t take the pledge either. he’s coasted for years.
when I called (again) about the pledge, his staff flipped out on me and claimed i was berating them incessantly, every day every week.
That’s not true: what they really object to is this article in the Philadelphia Weekly, which reached literally tens of thousands of Fattah’s constituents, and which ended with “And while his website lists a number of health-related priorities, neither single-payer health care or even a public option is mentioned. You can send a message to the Congressman: 202,225.4001 is his DC number. Tell him I told you to call.” This forced them to thoroughly update their website on health care reform.
yesterday they told me “that pledge you want chaka fattah to take is meaningless”, which is why i called them back this morning to ask “if the pledge is meaningless, why did Barney Frank just send out a letter taking that same pledge?”
they didn’t like that very much either.