Limbaugh. . . repeatedly insisted that there’s no health care crisis because anyone can get treated in an emergency room. He said cavalierly, “And they make arrangements with the hospital to pay it off over time and if they don’t, the car repossessers head out and take the car, what have you.” Limbaugh also said, “Health care’s got to be priced the same way a hotel room is, or a car is. You want to stay at the Ritz? You pay for it. You want to stay at a Motel 6? You pay for it. . . .”
See, it’s just like Dubya and Ginny Foxx said, you can get whatever healthcare you need in the emergency room. Problem solved!
Of course, the people who say there’s no crisis are either multimillionaires, or covered by Congress’s gold-plated healthcare plan. For people like Rush, there’s no healthcare crisis in much the same way that there’s no recession:
But during all this growth I haven’t lost any audience. I’ve never had financially a down year. There’s supposedly a recession, but we’ve got – what is this May? Back in February we already had 102% of 2008 overbooked for 2009. [applause] So I always believed that if we’re going to have a recession, just don’t participate. [laughter]
And just as we can all choose to not participate in the recession, we can all choose to have health insurance by simply giving up luxuries like cars and telephones.
But even this callous denialism is not as repulsive as Jim DeMint saying that "if we’re able to stop Obama on this it will be his Waterloo. It will break him." Former Republican congressman Vin Weber (starting around the 11-minute mark) admits that America needs healthcare reform, but argues that from a purely political perspective, Republicans are better off killing it than passing it.
That’s the Republican calculation in a nutshell: Most of them know there’s a crisis, and they just don’t care. It doesn’t matter what’s best for the country, only what’s best for themselves, their wealthy friends, and their corporate donors. It doesn’t matter if 20,000 people die every year, just so long as the victims’ families are pissed off enough to start voting Republican.
The lesson the Republicans took from the 2006 and 2008 elections was that catastrophic failure leads to landslide victories for the opposition party. And lucky for them, catastrophic failure is the one thing they’re good at.





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Bill Moyers on health care debate….hard hitting set up about the Repubs…all the players.
Not caring about a genuine crisis is not a vote getter. Not that getting votes matters. It’s campaign contributions that rule the U.S.
Somebody want to explain to Rush that his hotel analogy doesn’t work? Those with insurance (at the Ritz) actually pay less for the same procedure than those who don’t, even before the insurance money kicks in. Those without coverage are billed at the very highest rates.
The calculation is that if healthcare reform falls apart or is total shit, the party in power will take the blame for the failure. I don’t think it’s unrealistic, just staggeringly immoral.
And, of course, not everyone needs a hotel room.
Limbaugh= asshole Sucker. Someone should clean out his fortunes for one year and make him see the world from the other side. Where they take away all you earn and own and throw you in the street With your kids. Of course Rush doesn’t have any kids he cares about! Just think Rush no more Oxycontin!
I agree with both of your hypotheses: Consequences of failure for Ds, and immorality of Rs. But you leave our immorality of Ds who suck up medical industry contributions and say shit on voters.
OT
Had a short version of Gates v. Crowley. Imagine the Harvard prof was white, over 70 and walked with a cane. The arresting officer was black.
No argument there. I believe that *their* calculation is that with enough campaign money they can simply swamp any potential primary challengers, and their actual track record won’t matter.
What if you can’t afford the Motel 6?
Yep. If voting mattered, they wouldn’t let us do it. But let’s keep the focus on the sinners, as they are both Rs and BDs.
Everyone can afford the Motel 6! They just have to give up their cars and phones and TVs! And possibly their food and their house…
I think that 20,000 dead for lack of health care is a little conservative. You could probably double it if you also count the Americans who die receiving shoddy or insufficient health care.
Al-Qaeda killed 3000 Americans one day and our government had no trouble spending over a trillion dollars taking the fight to them (and some wedding parties, funeral processions etc.). Tens of thousands of Americans die needlessly every year and there is scarcely the will among our leaders to attempt to do anything about it.
Very good women on Moyers….a medical journalist and a doctor.
But al Qaeda are the bad guys. The insurance companies are our *friends*.
I thought this Salon article by another AA Ivy League professor summed it up well.
I dunno, I haven’t seen their birth certificates.
If you can’t afford Motel 6, your health plan consists of calling up Jesus on the Mainline. Just call him up and tell him what you need…
Least you’ll die singing.
Disagree. I’m a product of an Ivy League schooling (Wellesley) yet no friend of Ivy Leaguers. Don’t think what happened to Gates was at all an Ivy League phenomenon, but was racial profiling in it rawest exhibititon.
Hey Buddy … listen to my friend Rush … The Greatest Nation in the World already has the Greatest Health Care in the World. Go on repeating this while holding a Loofah in the Shower …
USA ! USA ! USA !
GATES IS FIFTY NINE
JESUS!
Yeah, that’s why Canada is totally kicking our ass across so many metrics…
And yet, his base listens to this garbage with smiling approval. Obama was right, these people are bitter clinging to their guns, religion and rush, beck and hanitty, who are laughing their fat asses off to the fat banks. Pathetic losers.
I would like to hear an account of the incident from a third party, if one exists. The police report seemed credible but one can’t discount the CYA incentive. The sense one gets from the report is that once Gates provided ID it would have been over but he let his temper get the best of him and basically talked himself into being arrested.
If someone had witnessed the door to Gates home being forced open while he was still in Europe, would he have expected police to respond and confront any person they found on the premises? I suspect he would have.
Perhaps after six decades of playing kick the can and getting taken to the roulette table where the magnets are run by big money entrenched interests who like where the money is right now just fine Congress needs to tour the shadowy bottom rather than the cozy topside.
Those in Congress who feel/believe/think the current American healthcare regime is just ducky and why change anything ought to be losing the healthcare perks they now get and play ” go to the emergency room”.
How many days/weeks would these congresspeople go before they decided that just plain sucked and wanted to get back the standard congressional healthcare plan?
Somehow this seems to be heading towards a pitchforks and torches point in coming American political developement. The Democratic Party deserves as much hell as the GOP too. Getting really sick of the “politics”.
Eli !
I’ll trade you our Leader for yours and I will include 50 Tankers of Canadian Brewsky in the bargain …
Excellent comment, ratfood !
This totally works for me. I don’t like the idea of healthcare reform being decided by people who are fixed for life.
Make that Dr Pepper and I might think about it…
Why does anyone give a rats ass about anthing this lying, drug addicted, boy loving, loud mouthed, bean brain idiot has to say? If the “liberal” media would quit giving him airtime it would be helpful. Anyone with half a brain knows what he’s about. He’s the leader of the lunatic fringe. Quit feeding the troll. Leave him to wither in his obscurity.
Done !
OK. Perp is white 59, walks with a cane (is that also false?). Arresting officer is black.
Thanks but it was just an overstatement of the obvious and I was likely channeling something I’ve read previously. I thought I had an original thought once… briefly.
Regarding your offer to Eli, I’m certain some good beer is brewed in Canada but to my knowledge it has never been exported to the U.S.. Admittedly, I’ve been out of the loop for several years, so perhaps some good Canuck microbrews are now available to your Southern neighbors.
Rush flunked out of college after 2 semesters. His mother says he even flunked ballroom dancing – who the hell
goes to college and takes ballroom dancing?
Well, now I know what nightmare I’m having tonight…
I don’t think the cane part is wrong but I’ve seen clips of him without one. What’s getting me is that all week last week it was Tom Watson, Old Man leads the British Open. This week is DR Gates, Old Man rousted by coppers. I’m the same age as both of em and there ain’t no old going on here!
HI, Eli. Sorry about that. Sounds like a really bad Disney movie to think about an elephant dancing.
Ma Limbaugh was employing a euphemism. FWIW, scrotal jiggling does not constitute “ballroom dancing.”
I have no idea. I don’t know of any college that even offers ballroom dancing.
Okay. That really made me laugh. thanks.
Hell, I have a masters in Leisure Studies, betcha didn’t know they had them either!
Dance used to oount as a gym credit FWIW ;)
Well, I guess if the alternative was an actual sport…
Don’t understand your point. If you & Gates are 59, I am 5 years olders.Does that make what cambridge cops did OK?
Still doesn’t explain how he flunked it…
I could probably demonstrate that for you…
With a course entitled “how to get into and out of a hammock”?
Nah, I gave up all that yesterday. My point is all this shit about 59 being old pisses me off.
Okay, I know schools offer dance. Just saying it’s not like he was going to become a professional or anything. The comment about the elephant dancing sounds about right.
I don’t think Raven is arguing about the actual incident but rather taking bemused exception to people his age being described as “old.”
Smile when you say that! Spend some time running kids sports programs and you won’t be laughing much
Uh… I’ll just take your word for it.
Well, I;m old, Be tjat as it amuy
Ok, now that I’ve gotten that off my shoulders it’s past my bedtime!
Are Leisure Studies sports? Never heard it called that. Just asking.
G’nite Raven … have a great weekend !
Ah, going to bed early is the secret to feeling young. Probably explains why I’m aging in dog years.
Dammit, I gave my
guestspests directions … and they found my home anyways.G’nite all … have a super weekend !
You too, Petro.
Sports are part of it. It an area of study that looks at providing folks with constructive leisure opportunities. Sports, the arts, outdoor recreation are some of the areas. It’s tied up in that self-actualization stage in Mazlow’s Hierarchy of Needs.
Yeah, Raven… and don’t forget your prune juice ;~P
Yup, up at 5.
Enjoy!
(Cheesey, Cheesey)
(This is a song about vegetables, they keep ya regular
They’re real good for yo)
Call any vegetable
Call it by name
Call one today When you get off the train
Call any vegetable And the chances are good
Aw, The vegetable will respond to you
(Some people don’t go for prunes…I
don’t know, I’ve always found that if they…)
Call any vegetable Pick up your phone
Think of a vegetable Lonely at home
Call any vegetable And the chances are good
That a vegetable will *respond* to you
I heard the live version of that from “Just Another Band From L.A.” played on WPGU one night back in the late ’70s, including the intro, “The theme of tonights show is it’s fuckin’ great to be alive and there’s anyone in the audience who doesn’t think it’s fuckin’ great to be alive they should leave right now because this show will bring them down so much…”
Guess the FCC wasn’t tuned in that night.
To pay this piece of dung his 20 million/yr, Clear Channel is laying off local employees by the hundreds all across the nation.
So no, he doesn’t feel the recession, but hundreds of his former co-workers sure do.
evening Eli – and all; late to the party (which is kinda my job)
Perp is white 59, walks with a cane (is that also false?). Arresting officer is black.
In my experience, the bestowing of a badge relieves a person of the burden of being black.
$50 million. It’s ironic that he’s actually killing the right-wing asshole company that employs him.
Evening jayt.
Unless they’re off-duty, in which case they’re subject to the same risks as Gates. Or worse.
OT – Friday Night Fights is honoring Arturo Gatti.
I loved that guy – even if he did start bleeding on the walk to the ring.
ugly story.
I never meant to assert that this country isn’t still way fucked up in the area of race.
I didn’t think you were. Just pointing out that the badge is only protection when one is wearing it.
I couldn’t help but be reminded of Phil Hartman. Hartman actually gave his wife the gun she later killed him with… for protection. Gun control starts at home.
House Dems Reach Agreement On Reining In Medicare Costs
have a client with a bat-shit crazy ex who got popped outta jail this week.
She asked – and I recommended going to buy herself a used little league baseball bat….
That’s gotta suck. Don’t know about the bat, though. Would-be attacker has to be pretty close for it to be effective and there is always the chance he’d be able to take it away and use it on her.
Invocation and Ritual Dance of the Young Pumpkin.
ex-biker-chick – and she’s bigger than he is.
I tend to work at street level.
Miss Jane is upstairs with Late Night!
Late Night: MSNBC – Will Any Republican Denounce Rush Limbaugh?
Two left feet, RF.
Somewhat off topic, but the usual suspects were arguing that BushCo should have sent the Army into Buffalo to round up those pathetic Al Qaeda wannabes.
Looks like BushCo and CheneyInc are really beginning to hate each other.
Posse comitatus act? Fourth Amendment? Wazzat?
Dear Congress:
Please get the Wall St. brokers, the lawyers, and Rush Limbaugh out of my doctor’s office.
Watching Moyers last night only reinforces the proposition that the only true health care reform is single payer. Scrap the for profit model but then it would appear Obama lacks the courage and Congress is too beholden to the money. Congress is the epitome of crack house.
Energy and Commerce committee has released district by district (h/t tpm) analysis of HR3200 effects.
I checked out my old IN district and current CA district and was struck by the fact that in Baron Hill’s district only 0.5% of households would get hit by the surtax, while Anna Eshoo’s district has 6.8%. Slightly more businesses would get tax credits in Eshoo’s district, but pretty much everywhere else Hill’s district gets more benefit from HR3200 at lower cost.
Hmmm.
27 July 2009
My Fellow Americans,
Today is a watershed event as the U.S. government has begun replacing U.S. Army troops with private contractors or mercenaries. This is means the U.S. Army is stretched to the breaking point in one job – 11 Bravo or Infantry. Today I went down to the Louisiana Superdome because the Lutheran Evangelicals decided to bring together 37,000 teenagers in New Orleans for a Christian revival type of assembly.
Figuring the U.S. Army needs Infantry troops and the evangelicals like to vote for people who start wars, I decided to go to a local printer and print up the following message on little 2 by 3 pieces of paper:
Christians – You are needed in Afghanistan!
Please call 1-800-USA-ARMY
Volunteer for “11 Bravo” Infantry
Come Fight Your Christian War
Relieve the Troops at the Front!
You activists can print up hundreds of these with little or no cost and we can step up into DIRECT PASSIVE ENGAGEMENT with the neo-conservative voting block by asking they serve as Infantry Soldiers in Afghanistan. It is best if you go with a veteran. I was wearing an Obama t-shirt and as a veteran went alone. I was surprised by the 2 things:
1)One group of people would not take anything from my hand thinking I
was filthy or diseased and this is part of the secular evangelical racism and classism that exists when someone different does not think and act like they do. They see dissenters as scum.
2)The other group reacted with disdain but once he or she read the small piece of paper requesting Infantry service, there was stunned silence and no reply as they were being asked to volunteer for Infantry duties in Afghanistan.
DO NOT ARGUE with these people if they wish to argue. Just say “Thank You
for getting into the U.S. Army INFANTRY,” as they take a slip of paper. We must get veteran’s groups to bring these pieces of paper with this writing to Evangelical Revivals and begin to penetrate the republican voting block of evangelicals. This must be performed now as the republican strength is waning and the party is falling into dissolution. Pro-democrat Veterans must lead the way. Here are the reference pages of Evangelical Revivals. http://www.elca.org -Lutheran Evangelicals. http://ag.org/top/ for the Assembly of God revivals. Distribute “Infantry Service” request as they exit the revivals. – Michael Angelo 99