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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/21/they-cant-even-keep-their-lies-straight/#comment-33425</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 16:16:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Dr. David Himmelstein says Dr. Howard Dean is lying about the Obama health care proposal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Himmelstein is a founder of Physicians for a National Health Program and is an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Himmelstein says that the Obama plan would mandate that people &lt;strong&gt;buy&lt;/strong&gt; insurance from competing private plans – and one denuded public plan.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The private health insurance companies would cherry pick the young healthy patients, while the sick older patients would opt into the public plan – making the public plan unsustainable.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Himmelstein says the upcoming Congressional vote on the Obama health care reform has little significance because it does not represent fundamental reform.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“It’s like giving aspirin to a patient who has cancer,” Himmelstein said. “Instead of asking – what can we do to treat your cancer?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Himmelstein says that when the time comes to vote on the Obama health plan, members of Congress should abstain.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.singlepayeraction.org/blog/?p=1204&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.singlepayeraction.org/blog/?p=1204&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but if the Republicans hate Obamacare, then it must be great, right?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dr. David Himmelstein says Dr. Howard Dean is lying about the Obama health care proposal.</p>
<p>Himmelstein is a founder of Physicians for a National Health Program and is an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.</p>
<p>Himmelstein says that the Obama plan would mandate that people <strong>buy</strong> insurance from competing private plans – and one denuded public plan.</p>
<p>The private health insurance companies would cherry pick the young healthy patients, while the sick older patients would opt into the public plan – making the public plan unsustainable.</p>
<p><strong>Himmelstein says the upcoming Congressional vote on the Obama health care reform has little significance because it does not represent fundamental reform.</strong></p>
<p>“It’s like giving aspirin to a patient who has cancer,” Himmelstein said. “Instead of asking – what can we do to treat your cancer?”</p>
<p>Himmelstein says that when the time comes to vote on the Obama health plan, members of Congress should abstain.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.singlepayeraction.org/blog/?p=1204" rel="nofollow">http://www.singlepayeraction.org/blog/?p=1204</a></p>
<p>but if the Republicans hate Obamacare, then it must be great, right?</p>
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		<title>By: jayt</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/21/they-cant-even-keep-their-lies-straight/#comment-33419</link>
		<dc:creator>jayt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Why do Republicans want to take money out of your wallet and give it to their insurance-company friends?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s rhetorical, right? (because they’re in never-ending campaign mode, and some of the money from my wallet finds its way into theirs?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;on edit: I’ve been around here for a day or two, and am firmly on record with the position that I’ve never met a rhetorical question that I don’t like.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My favorite is (a Scarecrow specialty) is the ultra-difficult Double Reverse Rhetorical…..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;back soon.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Why do Republicans want to take money out of your wallet and give it to their insurance-company friends?</i></p>
<p>that’s rhetorical, right? (because they’re in never-ending campaign mode, and some of the money from my wallet finds its way into theirs?)</p>
<p>on edit: I’ve been around here for a day or two, and am firmly on record with the position that I’ve never met a rhetorical question that I don’t like.</p>
<p>My favorite is (a Scarecrow specialty) is the ultra-difficult Double Reverse Rhetorical…..</p>
<p>back soon.</p>
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		<title>By: msmolly</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/21/they-cant-even-keep-their-lies-straight/#comment-33417</link>
		<dc:creator>msmolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, I agree. The “no fruit” part of the first two weeks is the hardest. I am in at least week 5 or 6 and have lost 11 lbs, nearly all in the first two weeks. I didn’t have a lot to lose anyway, but I am hoping that better nutrition will make my cholesterol, BP and sugar numbers go down by my August physical. I think the nutritional aspects of SB are its strengths.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hang in there. Get some good exercise to go along with it. I’m riding my bicycle more than 50 miles most weeks (sounds like a lot, but that’s an hour a day 5 days a week).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree. The “no fruit” part of the first two weeks is the hardest. I am in at least week 5 or 6 and have lost 11 lbs, nearly all in the first two weeks. I didn’t have a lot to lose anyway, but I am hoping that better nutrition will make my cholesterol, BP and sugar numbers go down by my August physical. I think the nutritional aspects of SB are its strengths.</p>
<p>Hang in there. Get some good exercise to go along with it. I’m riding my bicycle more than 50 miles most weeks (sounds like a lot, but that’s an hour a day 5 days a week).</p>
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		<title>By: Jo Fish</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/21/they-cant-even-keep-their-lies-straight/#comment-33416</link>
		<dc:creator>Jo Fish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…&lt;b&gt;Murder by Spreadsheet&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; is the best phrase that I have seen that describes the Health Insurance industry in three words or less.  It ought to be the phrase most used to frame their position.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The critics (congresscritters with public health insurance) who go on and on ad nauseum about “rationing” and “lack of choice” need to have a year or so paying for their health care and try getting treated for everything and anything their families need.  Gosh…do they have coverage under say, Blue Cross in DC and their home district? How about when they need to go “out of Network” in DC for a kid’s illness or go to the ER in Fairfax or Arlington and not have “pre-authorization” because they had to get into the ER NOW not after waiting to travel the phone tree to find out that the ER at the closest hospital was not one that their insurance covered because the Doctors don’t take their insurance.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah, if the spreadsheet murderers were not so good at buying and selling congressCriminals we might have what we need… so fuck you Michelle Bachmann and Michael Steele.  You know you’re lying, you can’t even get your talking points in alignment.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>…<b>Murder by Spreadsheet</b></p>
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<p> is the best phrase that I have seen that describes the Health Insurance industry in three words or less.  It ought to be the phrase most used to frame their position.</p>
<p>The critics (congresscritters with public health insurance) who go on and on ad nauseum about “rationing” and “lack of choice” need to have a year or so paying for their health care and try getting treated for everything and anything their families need.  Gosh…do they have coverage under say, Blue Cross in DC and their home district? How about when they need to go “out of Network” in DC for a kid’s illness or go to the ER in Fairfax or Arlington and not have “pre-authorization” because they had to get into the ER NOW not after waiting to travel the phone tree to find out that the ER at the closest hospital was not one that their insurance covered because the Doctors don’t take their insurance.  </p>
<p>Yeah, if the spreadsheet murderers were not so good at buying and selling congressCriminals we might have what we need… so fuck you Michelle Bachmann and Michael Steele.  You know you’re lying, you can’t even get your talking points in alignment.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/21/they-cant-even-keep-their-lies-straight/#comment-33415</link>
		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks PW.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks PW.</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/21/they-cant-even-keep-their-lies-straight/#comment-33414</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It’s a great read.  Up from below, lest you miss my angst, day three of week two of SBDiet.  I would kill for a strawberry!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It’s a great read.  Up from below, lest you miss my angst, day three of week two of SBDiet.  I would kill for a strawberry!</p>
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		<title>By: msmolly</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/21/they-cant-even-keep-their-lies-straight/#comment-33412</link>
		<dc:creator>msmolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Linky:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/21/AR2009072102712.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Can’t-Do Blue Dogs&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linky:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/21/AR2009072102712.html" rel="nofollow">The Can’t-Do Blue Dogs</a></p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Sunshine</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/21/they-cant-even-keep-their-lies-straight/#comment-33408</link>
		<dc:creator>Prairie Sunshine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;just came by to recommend this article, too.  Excellent takedown of the Can’t-Do mindset.  Meyerson nails it&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just came by to recommend this article, too.  Excellent takedown of the Can’t-Do mindset.  Meyerson nails it</p>
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		<title>By: barbara</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/21/they-cant-even-keep-their-lies-straight/#comment-33407</link>
		<dc:creator>barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Remember this one?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You are visiting a strange country in which there are just two kinds of people - truthtellers and liars. Truthtellers always tell the truth and liars always lie. You hail the first two people you meet and say, “Are you truthtellers or liars?” The first person mumbles something you cant hear. The second says, “He says he is a truthteller. He is a truthteller and so am i.” Can you trust the direction that these two may give you?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seems apt somehow.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember this one?</p>
<blockquote><p>You are visiting a strange country in which there are just two kinds of people &#8211; truthtellers and liars. Truthtellers always tell the truth and liars always lie. You hail the first two people you meet and say, “Are you truthtellers or liars?” The first person mumbles something you cant hear. The second says, “He says he is a truthteller. He is a truthteller and so am i.” Can you trust the direction that these two may give you?</p>
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<p>Seems apt somehow.</p>
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		<title>By: puravida</title>
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		<dc:creator>puravida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2009 14:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the post, PW.  With the Repubs not knowing their asses from a hole in the ground, this should be a win-win for the Congressional Dems and the White House.  Instead, Democrats are doing their best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; WaPo’s Meyerson this morning asks the Blue Dogs “What the fuck are they thinking?”  It’s a great, and uncharacteristic, op-ed for the Post.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I guess this means, though, that Harold’s gonna get fired.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post, PW.  With the Repubs not knowing their asses from a hole in the ground, this should be a win-win for the Congressional Dems and the White House.  Instead, Democrats are doing their best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.</p>
<p> WaPo’s Meyerson this morning asks the Blue Dogs “What the fuck are they thinking?”  It’s a great, and uncharacteristic, op-ed for the Post.</p>
<p>I guess this means, though, that Harold’s gonna get fired.</p>
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