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	<title>Comments on: Joe Courtney Blows Off Questions About Where He Stands on Public Plan</title>
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		<title>By: civiceye</title>
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		<dc:creator>civiceye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;First timer to this site, thanks to Marcy Wheeler’s head’s up and very memorable comment on MSNBC.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I then saw Jane Hamsher’s article on Joe Courtney.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe Courtney is one of the good guys, and Hamsher’s portrayal was disheartening, so I had to listen to the entire interview on WPNR to see how he could have taken such an about-face.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He didn’t… it was a distortion of what actually took place.  Don’t you hate that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, about the Mike Stark video, get over it.  In the 27 second video, Stark never asked Courtney whether he would vote for a health care bill; and when Stark identified himself, Courtney said, “Nice to meet you Mike”.  The rest…probably the response all of us would have to Stark’s sophomoric approach.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the WNPR interview is central, and Hamsher’s interpretation is a head shaker.  “Blows off questions about where he stands on public plan”?  (trying to preempt Marcy’s colloquialism.)  Well, wrong context, and way, way off base.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A “…less-civil answer he gave to reader Hugh B.”  Courtney was more than civil, and very politely corrected Hugh B. that the poll number of those that support a government sponsored plan is 72%.  The reference to 76% is from a NBC/Wall Street poll of those supporting a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance.  It was a simple distinction.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Hamsher stated that Courtney refused to take the Pledge to support a public health plan.  Wow, did you miss Courtney stating “I’m with you”; “I totally support a public option (several times); reiterated his “pledge to bring health care to all”, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But then Hamsher inserts a paragraph about Blue Cross raising rates in Connecticut by 32%, etc., a comment that Joe Courtney made, inclusive of having a public plan, as if it was her own piece of reporting(?).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Joe Courtney remains one of the “good guys”; not one of the “good old boys” that Hamsher infers.  He does want to “stay smart”.  Understanding that by the end of August there are not enough votes for a “single payer” system, but hopefully “…can have universal health care, with a multi-payer system.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Advise all to listen to the WNPR interview.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s hoping that Hamsher isn’t representative of this entire site.  I want a progressive place to visit, that has some depth and heavy lifting, re: Marcy Wheeler; but not reckless utterances from someone like Hamsher.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First timer to this site, thanks to Marcy Wheeler’s head’s up and very memorable comment on MSNBC.  </p>
<p>I then saw Jane Hamsher’s article on Joe Courtney.</p>
<p>Joe Courtney is one of the good guys, and Hamsher’s portrayal was disheartening, so I had to listen to the entire interview on WPNR to see how he could have taken such an about-face.</p>
<p>He didn’t… it was a distortion of what actually took place.  Don’t you hate that.</p>
<p>First, about the Mike Stark video, get over it.  In the 27 second video, Stark never asked Courtney whether he would vote for a health care bill; and when Stark identified himself, Courtney said, “Nice to meet you Mike”.  The rest…probably the response all of us would have to Stark’s sophomoric approach.</p>
<p>But the WNPR interview is central, and Hamsher’s interpretation is a head shaker.  “Blows off questions about where he stands on public plan”?  (trying to preempt Marcy’s colloquialism.)  Well, wrong context, and way, way off base.   </p>
<p>A “…less-civil answer he gave to reader Hugh B.”  Courtney was more than civil, and very politely corrected Hugh B. that the poll number of those that support a government sponsored plan is 72%.  The reference to 76% is from a NBC/Wall Street poll of those supporting a choice of both a public plan administered by the federal government and a private plan for their health insurance.  It was a simple distinction.</p>
<p>And Hamsher stated that Courtney refused to take the Pledge to support a public health plan.  Wow, did you miss Courtney stating “I’m with you”; “I totally support a public option (several times); reiterated his “pledge to bring health care to all”, etc.</p>
<p>But then Hamsher inserts a paragraph about Blue Cross raising rates in Connecticut by 32%, etc., a comment that Joe Courtney made, inclusive of having a public plan, as if it was her own piece of reporting(?).</p>
<p>Joe Courtney remains one of the “good guys”; not one of the “good old boys” that Hamsher infers.  He does want to “stay smart”.  Understanding that by the end of August there are not enough votes for a “single payer” system, but hopefully “…can have universal health care, with a multi-payer system.”</p>
<p>Advise all to listen to the WNPR interview.</p>
<p>Here’s hoping that Hamsher isn’t representative of this entire site.  I want a progressive place to visit, that has some depth and heavy lifting, re: Marcy Wheeler; but not reckless utterances from someone like Hamsher.</p>
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		<title>By: torgo2009</title>
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		<dc:creator>torgo2009</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;progressive activists=socialists&lt;br /&gt;
You don’t have to be Einstein to understand this equation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>progressive activists=socialists<br />
You don’t have to be Einstein to understand this equation.</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/13/blue-cross-wants-to-raise-ct-rates-by-32-does-joe-courtney-even-care/#comment-31558</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;as with &lt;em&gt;Democrat&lt;/em&gt; Joe Courtney in the video above, the refusal to answer is itself a clear answer.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the (D) establishment, and almost all the (D) politicians, know that progressive activists phoning faxing and calling have as a default setting, part of their most basic operating system, the self-imposed obligation to vote Democratic, no matter what.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the intensity of all the outrage, phoning and faxing does not correlate into lack of support in even numbered years, therefore it can be treated as kabuki from a constituency that has nowhere else to go.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;no wonder some, like &lt;em&gt;Democrat&lt;/em&gt; Joe Courtney, do not bother to hide their contempt.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as with <em>Democrat</em> Joe Courtney in the video above, the refusal to answer is itself a clear answer.</p>
<p>the (D) establishment, and almost all the (D) politicians, know that progressive activists phoning faxing and calling have as a default setting, part of their most basic operating system, the self-imposed obligation to vote Democratic, no matter what.</p>
<p>the intensity of all the outrage, phoning and faxing does not correlate into lack of support in even numbered years, therefore it can be treated as kabuki from a constituency that has nowhere else to go.</p>
<p>no wonder some, like <em>Democrat</em> Joe Courtney, do not bother to hide their contempt.</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe2</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bluetoe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Grow up ideologue.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grow up ideologue.</p>
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		<title>By: BlueCrow</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlueCrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Joe Courtney Blows &lt;strike&gt;Off Questions About Where He Stands on Public Plan&lt;/strike&gt;“&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fixed it for ya :)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Joe Courtney Blows <strike>Off Questions About Where He Stands on Public Plan</strike>“</p>
<p>Fixed it for ya :)</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;LMAO.  The scary socialists again.  Should we bring in the fainting couch for ya?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LMAO.  The scary socialists again.  Should we bring in the fainting couch for ya?</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hugh your link! you are a citizen of massachusetts  now? and where is selise?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hugh your link! you are a citizen of massachusetts  now? and where is selise?</p>
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		<title>By: mui1</title>
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		<dc:creator>mui1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes sometimes I forget what we are talking about when we talk about “public plan” I means lets spell out all the possibilities of “public plan”. Because when I think of good, I think single payer.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes sometimes I forget what we are talking about when we talk about “public plan” I means lets spell out all the possibilities of “public plan”. Because when I think of good, I think single payer.</p>
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		<title>By: VJBinCT</title>
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		<dc:creator>VJBinCT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:17:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear Joe Courtney—have a nice primary campaign!  And a nice day, of course.  We progressives are always polite.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joe Courtney—have a nice primary campaign!  And a nice day, of course.  We progressives are always polite.</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
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		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;Democrat&lt;/em&gt; Joe Courtney, needless to say.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so try a primary Firepups, Netroots . . . and best of luck to you!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the one I was involved in in Chicago broke out into double digits, wooo!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but then, if you can’t overcome the massive incumbent advantage &lt;em&gt;Democrat&lt;/em&gt; Joe Courtney has,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if someone, like a progressive millionaire, if there is such a thing, decides not to bother with a Democratic Primary and runs as an (I) against &lt;em&gt;Democrat&lt;/em&gt; Joe Courtney&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;then what does Netrootsia do?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;really, do you fall in line and vote for &lt;em&gt;Democrat&lt;/em&gt; Joe Courtney out of habit, tribal loyalty, cautious pragmatism, and because the (R) is reeely reeely scary? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the (D) establishment knows you are a safe bloc, despite all the disgruntled faxes calls and letters, which they have their interns dispose of.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;think this &lt;em&gt;might&lt;/em&gt; have anything to do with why pols like &lt;em&gt;Democrat&lt;/em&gt; Joe Courtney can scorn you so easily?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Democrat</em> Joe Courtney, needless to say.</p>
<p>so try a primary Firepups, Netroots . . . and best of luck to you!</p>
<p>the one I was involved in in Chicago broke out into double digits, wooo!</p>
<p>but then, if you can’t overcome the massive incumbent advantage <em>Democrat</em> Joe Courtney has,</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>if someone, like a progressive millionaire, if there is such a thing, decides not to bother with a Democratic Primary and runs as an (I) against <em>Democrat</em> Joe Courtney</p>
<p>then what does Netrootsia do?</p>
<p>really, do you fall in line and vote for <em>Democrat</em> Joe Courtney out of habit, tribal loyalty, cautious pragmatism, and because the (R) is reeely reeely scary? </p>
<p>the (D) establishment knows you are a safe bloc, despite all the disgruntled faxes calls and letters, which they have their interns dispose of.</p>
<p>think this <em>might</em> have anything to do with why pols like <em>Democrat</em> Joe Courtney can scorn you so easily?</p>
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