When I went on MSNBC yesterday, the thing I was intending to talk about (before getting interrupted by a pile of insurance industry BS) was the fact that members of Congress like Carolyn Maloney are wasting our time. When she announced that she would challenge Kirsten Gillibrand for the Senate, the Huffington Post reported:
The nine-term congresswoman believes New Yorkers need a "strong, experienced and independent leader," according to a statement Wednesday by Paul Blank, director of Trippi & Associates, hired by Maloney to serve as a chief strategist.
Independent? How about non-committal, indecisive and inconsistent?
People have been calling her office for over two weeks as part of the citizen whip count effort. Here are a few samples of what they have been told:
| Michael L. | no position | Staffer unsure. Took my info (though didn’t seem confident I’d get a response) and transferred me to voicemail for Orly (possible sic) Isaacson. |
| Bryce S. | no position | I passed on to the aid the items I’d like Rep. Maloney to commit to (i.e. your three items), and he said he would pass it on to her. |
| Michael L. | no position | I spoke with Carolyn Maloney’s legislative assistant, Orly Isaacson. She tried the "we can’t comment on a hypothetical but she supports a public option" line. When I said that it is important to draw a line in the sand, she agreed and said that she did not know what the Congresswoman’s vote would be on a bill that does not include a public option.
She said she would get back to me with an answer, but I’m not holding my breath. |
| Chris B. | no position | An aide. She was very polite but as per her role, noncommittal and I explained the whip idea to her and the goal. She did mention that others had called to ask for the pledge. |
NYCEve started calling her office, too, and got the staff blow-off that we’ve been facing since we started this. They don’t know, they’ll get back to us. Maloney is a member of the Progressive Caucus, who as a group said they would not vote for any bill that does not have a public plan. But when people call, she won’t confirm. Which means one of two things. Either she was full of shit when she signed on to this on June 24. . .
Leaders of four Democratic caucuses representing more than 120 members of Congress said Wednesday that they would vote against any health overhaul legislation that excludes a “robust” government-run insurance plan to compete with private insurers.
The leaders of the black, Hispanic, Asian Pacific American and Progressive caucuses said at a news conference that they would consider a government-run plan to be robust if it resembles Medicare, the health entitlement for the elderly. The plan would have to be available to everyone in the country and could not be subject to a “trigger,” or some other mechanism that might delay its implementation, the lawmakers said.
. . . or she thinks the press, and not her constituents, deserve to know what she’s thinking.
Maloney seems to have a consistent problem sticking to her word. She signed a letter in 2007 saying she would vote for no war funding that did not contain troop withdrawal provisions, but she didn’t take that commitment too seriously when she voted for the supplemental without them.
When Maloney anouned a fundraiser with Bill Clinton on July 2, we said we’d be watching really closely to see who came out stronger on health care, Maloney or Gillibrand. Looks like Gillibrand doesn’t have much to compete with.
As people call the offices of these Congressional representatives, they are being told that we should be calling the Blue Dogs. Really? What are we going to tell the Blue Dogs if progressive members of Congress won’t even hold the line? These members of Congress are offended that people are calling them. And they are wasting our time, waffling, refusing to commit to uphold the principles they espouse. If they’d simply say what they intend to do, we could move on.
Democrats seem to think that we should just trust them, even after what happened with the disastrous climate change bill — where every Democrat not named Stark, DeFazio, or Kucinich took a bad vote or a worse vote. Well, we don’t. So, stop jacking people around, blathering about the fact that you want to see a bill before you commit. Boy, the Blue Dogs sure don’t need to see a bill before they draw a line in the sand, or those who want to gut reproductive rights funding, or Joe Lieberman.
No, the only people who won’t commit are those that have 76% of the country supporting them. I don’t know what’s wrong with these people, but maybe Carolyn Maloney knows.
Call her office and find out: 202.225.7944 DC, 212-860-0606 Manhattan, 718-932-1804 Queens.





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Well Ms. Maloney wants to be the next Senator, she needs to respond to constituents. I did call her office and spoke briefly to her PR person, a guy named Jon Houston. He basically brushed me off and told me to send him an email which I did.
It’s a way simple request. Will Ms. Maloney pledge to vote against a House bill which does not contain a strong public option available to all Americans on Day One. Jane will get right over to her office to record it on video, it will take all of five minutes.
What’s the hold up? What’s the big deal?
Jane,
did you see this ?
Progressive Caucus fired it’s Executive Director post haste yesterday
Roll Call
curiouser and curiouser
crikey! should have added that link came via Sufilizard
Off topic to Maloney, but on whip-count overall:
Donna Edwards just took the pledge on a live-chat at OpenLeft
http://www.openleft.com/showCo…..tId=173664
from Open Left’s Ask Donna Edwards forum ’bout an hour ago
Jane – do you have confirmation ?
and your beverage of choice :D?
Gillibrand has a “recommended diary” now over at dkos. It’s all about “open and transparent government,” but she doesn’t take a stand on any issues. Barf.
Good news, but how does this “Just slip by”?! Her staff was just extra good at protecting her from the riff-raff over the July 4th weekend?
Talk about a DC “bubble”.
FunnyWheelieDiva
Your right we have to get our own house in order first who would have guessed we had so many Roaches in Progressive cloths?
Yeah that pissed me off.
Can you tell?
;)
There is a Congress-wide attitude of blowing off constituents when they are advocating policy.
“Constituent services” seems to be limited to helping people get their Social Security disability payments and their VA benefits.
Carolyn Maloney: “The President is getting away with saying one thing then doing the other why should I be held to a different standard then our Commander-in-Chief? Trust me and wait until the end of my term before you judge me.”
I admit I said we should be calling and running ads on the GOP. I did not realize we had these problems at home.
At least Kirsten hung around for a while and answered a few questions …
“I am also working on repealing DOMA — i think that will come next year, after ENDA and hate crimes.”
“I think we are all working hard to get the not-for-profit public option on the table and keep it there. Im also fighting to keep the healthcare tax off the table.”
“I oppose the trigger option — we need a not for profit public option now — health care is too unaffordable for most families now, and having the competition of the public option will be the quickest way to reduce costs for everyone. as some have said, “the public option has already been triggered.”
“I agree that money in politics can undermine the publics confidence in elected leaders, and in fact, the 2006 election was a response to the public’s perception that washington was for sale. I support campaign finance reform and publicly funded elections.”
“Thanks for blogging with me again — i really do enjoy hearing your thoughts, feedback and trying my best to answer your questions. Sooo, I am on my way to White House for an important meeting. You can find out who I am meeting with on my sunlight report tonight!! I will be talking about many of the issues we brought up today — thanks for your extraordinary advocacy — it matters!”
Thanks, Jane, for all you are doing. I thought it was fantastic when you basically asked the shill how she sleeps at night on MSNBC.
Something I’m wondering about after reading Slinkerwink’s post about the health care that members of Congress get.
Are there any figures that compare the frequency of denials for congress members vs regular folks? I think it would be damn interesting to see – especially if we had figures for the same company, i.e. Blue Cross/congress members vs Blue cross/regular junk ins folks.
Also is there a good comparison of a typical congress person’s plan vs the rest of us? By that I mean premiums, deductibles, co-insurance, networks.
I think it would be very effective to run ads that show a side-by-side comparison of the kind of care they are getting vs what the rest of us get. I knew that they had a Cadillac plan, but it never occurred to me that an insurance company would actually deliberately treat them better when it came to administering the details of that plan.
Naive of me, I know. But it really opened my eyes to why they can be so fucking callous about this. It just seems like an area that could really resonate with people. Something like “Not only do your congress members get scads of money from ins companies, they also get better, cheaper plans (paid for by us) and they get treated like royalty when they become sick.”
I’m picturing showing a “fat cat” congress member calling for approval and getting “Of course, sir, we’ll approve that right away” then cut to his limo pulling up to valet parking at a clinic/hospital and being whisked right in. Then show him opening the bill with a big $0 at the bottom. Show this juxtaposed with one of us peons calling and getting the runaround, waiting for hours in ER, and a screen shot of a bankruptcy filing or a rescission notice. Then a tag line of something like “No wonder members of congress don’t understand the suffering of Americans with no insurance or inadequate insurance – they never have to experience it. Tell your critter you want what they have.”
Maloney and her staff are responding as if their chauffeur wanted to chat while driving them around in the limo. Puhleeze.
“Get used to it.”
Big auto says to its former employees. Big banks say it to customers shocked about their fees and interest rate hikes. And big insurers say it when they cancel coverage or deny payments. Informed citizens will be saying it politely and persistently to their purported “representatives” in government.
Notice the hedge of “not for profit”? Zombie Co-op compromise is not dead yet.
in two weeks of calling/whipping, I did not get a single “Better call a Blue Dog” until Wednesday of this week – my inner pollyanna took it as a good sign our pressure was building
my response btw
Wow! Can you call her office?
First time Kirsten actually made a comment or two. Normally what she posts on Daily Kos, strikes me as a press release some staffer writes. Someone told her, Kirsten, you’ve got to gives “these folks” a comment or two.
The original point was to get 40 people to say, publicly, that they won’t vote for anything that doesn’t have a public option. This leaves them no wiggle room — they can’t do the old “oh I’d love to vote for a bill with a public option but there is none so I had to vote for SOMETHING boo hoo hoo” bit. We figured it would be easier to get progressives — especially those who didn’t get huge amounts of Health Inc. dough stuffed into their campaign vaults — to do this. But if you want to go after some Blue Doggies as well, that’s good too. Especially when you point out that 50% of all Republicans want at least a public option!
HEY Carolyn,thems some exquisite pearls your sportin.They look like Condis,guess your one of the elite club now
http://www.thepearlsource.com/…..on_174.htm
taking a break from phoning right now and have switched to Twitterbombing – as personally, I’m reaching the Just Vote Your Conscience, You Chickenshit Assh* ! slamming down the phone moment – which of course would be incredibly unproductive
when I saw that Letter From Blue Dogs post this morning, my very first thought was to start with the 3 presently doing the talking – Boyd -Fl., Ross – Ark., and whoever the 3rd one is – and start running ads in their districts – ads with children and seniors suffering whiles these gits protect their Insurance Masters – juxtaposed with the gold plated healthcare they and their families receive.
demagoguery ? so be it – you guys called the tune, let’s dance !
Blue Texan’s regularly scheduled post is up a little late this morning, but it’s finally on the front page: “Noonan Blasts Palin as a Talented Lightweight, Praised Same Qualities in George W. Bush”
As Jane says, the Blue Dogs don’t need to “see the bill first” in order to draw a line in the sand. Just keep saying that when you call or Twitter.
If she’s running for Senate, then she is afraid that if she supports the public option, the health-care and big pharma companies will blast her out of the water with money for whomever runs against her. Who’s your daddy?
Now that is interesting. What’s up in the Progressive Caucus?!
my first guess he was found to be the source of the bogus CBO Score report leaked to The Hill the other day – something clearly meant to help Rahm and the Blue Dogs
Actually, today was the second time Senator Gillibrand has responded to questions in the comments.
See also:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..-Questions
Both times she stayed for a little more than a half hour and left several comments. She’d prefer to stay longer but her schedule is tight. She is committed to returning to DailyKos regularly though.
By the way, I am proud to be doing netroots outreach for Senator Gillibrand’s 2010 Senate campaign.
Just tried Maloney’s DC office, it was busy.
Senator Gillibrand was clear what she means by “not-for-profit” public otion when she posted at DailyKos back in May:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..lic-Option
Since then, she’s come out against triggers and co-ops.
Thanks.
Got through in Manhattan, where they knew all about “the pledge,” and were very receptive. Unfortunately, they couldn’t say the Congresswoman had taken a position, so I filled out “no position,” in the whip tool.
Also is there a good comparison of a typical congress person’s plan vs the rest of us? By that I mean premiums, deductibles, co-insurance, networks
From John Aravosis at http://www.americablog.com
http://www.americablog.com/200…..ealth.html
I did not think I’d be happy with Senator Gillibrand when she took office. I have been pleasantly surprised. According to Progressive Punch Senator Gillibrand has the 16th most progressive voting record in the Senate. Carolyn Maloney is also a progressive, but if she wants to successfully challenge from the incumbent from left she first needs to move farther to the left than the incumbent.
you can tell them the same thing you tell the blue dogs – that you have finally seen through all the dissembling and posturing, and you are reversing the burden of proof: rather than always voting for Democrats, no matter what, you will only vote for Democrats if the work to end Bush’s failed wars, take climate change seriously, and work towards at least a public option, as a step towards single payer.
I know, a crazy, crazy concept, supporting politicians because they act in your interest in Washington, rather than against it.
maybe you can secretly keep voting (D) despite their constant betrayals, but try calling and saying you’ve had enough – it might be a form of leverage that Progressives rarely dare to employ.
btw
At 5pm et, Senator Feingold is stopping by the Lake for a chat on health care. Be here!
Who? Gillibrand, who actually came out strongly for a public option?
Maybe she’s hoping Big Pharma will bankroll her primary campaign against Gillibrand. After all, everyone thinks Maloney is the real progressive,
don’t we already do that?