MoveOn has been running strong ads in Louisiana against Mary Landrieu, who — as Chris Bowers notes — is against anything resembling a public plan.
In a pre-holiday call with half a dozen top House and Senate Democrats, Obama expressed his concern over advertisements and online campaigns targeting moderate Democrats, whom they criticize for not being fully devoted to "true" health-care reform.
"We shouldn’t be focusing resources on each other," Obama opined in the call, according to three sources who participated in or listened to the conversation. "We ought to be focused on winning this debate."
Specifically, Obama said he is hoping left-leaning organizations that worked on his behalf in the presidential campaign will now rally support for "advancing legislation" that fulfills his goal of expanding coverage, controlling rising costs and modernizing the health system.
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In recent weeks, liberal bloggers and grass-roots groups such as MoveOn.org, Democracy for America, Service Employees International Union and Progressive Change Campaign Committee have targeted Democratic Sens. Ben Nelson (Neb.), Mary Landrieu (La.), Arlen Specter (Pa.), Ron Wyden (Ore.) and Dianne Feinstein (Calif.).
But Maxine Waters says the Landrieu campaign has been very effective, and encourages MoveOn to keep going. As she tells Robert Greenwald:
As a matter of fact, MoveOn.org went after Mary Landrieu, down in Louisiana. Loved it. I thought it was very effective, and I am waiting to see what kind of feedback we’re going to get. I am going to be in New Orleans this weekend, I’m gonna be asking around: "Did you see the Mary Landrieu ad?" It seemed very effective to me. And I think this is very important work at this particular time…
I think that without nearly as much effort as you would think, that we can deal with Big Pharma. I really do. And one of the things we must do is — the President has been talking with Big Pharma and the insurance companies, and they are say that they are going to be cooperative while they organize all their money and their lobbyists to come aget us.
And so I think what we have to say to the President – - we don’t expet him to be misled in this effort. That single payer extremely important, but the least we can get is a public option and I understand that that’s under review at this time. But that’s the least we could take.
She also said:
Let me just say to all of our friends out there, that a sustained effort, directed at public officials, demanding no less than a public option, can be very successful. So go to work.
This is going to be a watershed moment for the "interest groups" who have been careful to chart a course in clear support of the President, who have so far been able to preserve their integrity and align their activites with the White House’s wishes at the same time.
But there is no question that these hard-hitting campaigns representing breast cancer survivors and others have been successful, and they have been instrumental in backing Ben Nelson and Kay Hagan off their opposition to a public plan. The memberships of these organizations are in clear support of their efforts, and with 76% of the country in support of a public plan, the President seems to be one of the unhappy few who oppose their tactics.
Will these groups risk getting kicked off the 8:45 call, left out of Unity 09, disciplined in front of Common Purpose, and having their names expunged from the White House cocktail party list? As I wrote on April 8:
There’s a big problem right now with the traditional liberal interest groups sitting on the sidelines around major issues because they don’t want to buck the White House for fear of getting cut out of the dialogue, or having their funding slashed. Someone picks up a phone, calls a big donor, and the next thing you know…the money is gone.
This is the moment when the liberal interest groups must to decide: are they going to represent the interests of their members and keep going, or are they going to play the access game and bow to Obama’s wishes?
These groups have acted as firewalls to shield Obama from liberal critique. As traditional institutional liberal validators and stakeholders, their silence on a variety of issues — from financial regulation to the escalation of the war in Afghanistan to energy and beyond — have acted as insulation for the administration as it breaks one campaign promise after the other. We saw it last week with the hastily arranged cocktail party for LGBT leaders last week — the way Obama mutes liberal criticism is by reaching out to those at the top and rewarding them personally with access rather than making adjustments in policy or legislative strategy.
But it’s clear that on the issue of health care, these groups can’t have it both ways any more. And everyone is going to be watching to see what happens.





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I truly hope that none of us in the Progressive Community stop doing what we know is right to accomplish a historic health care bill that actually does something.
I can only say this if the President of the United States even felt it important enough to address the issue himself with the key chairs and leaders of each chamber – then that says all we need to know. It must be working and it must be working big-time.
Jane a question for you – Would you stop asking US to create the Progressive Block (40+) if a call came to do so?
I would hope your answer would be NO. I think the White House has to ask for US to stop but then on the other hand they encourage US through the DNC and OFA – we must hold those accountable … accountable.
MoveOn – KeepOn!
Uh, fuck no.
Does that answer it for ya?
;)
I already knew you would not ‘cave into’ foolish request. I find it funny they want us to be ‘on-call’ and ‘work’ our butts off but then when it comes time to hold them accountable and inform the larger public of their current positions as compared to their campaign promises – we somehow are crossing a line. I too say FUCK NO – we are not going to stop letting people know what these ‘corporate whores’ are doing up in D.C. behind closed doors.
Keep on kicking ass Jane – you are one of the heroes in the Progressive Community.
I worry about a lot of things, Jane caving into the WH isn’t one of them.
Those organizations which support, tolerate, and/or ignore the continual flipping, backsliding, and repudiations of the progressive agenda by the White House have removed themselves from any claim to our loyalty or our funds. Progressives have an agenda which, in the last election, was most clearly articulated by Ralph Nader. We voted for Obama, however, because we wanted to win. In doing so, we got more of the same, as the worst excesses of the Bush administration continue to be supported by Obama.
One liberal initiative after another is now being passed with much fanfare and little substance (the credit card bill, ACES), effectively stalled (EFCA), or strangulated and trampled beyond recognition (a health care bill which is gradually but inexorably fading out a public option, let along a single-payer plan).
The Obama administration, the Democratic party, and the MoveOns no longer represent the progressive voice in America. On this day, of all days, we should declare our independence from all three, and begin the long and difficult task of building a political party that represents the will of a people still eager to embrace and realize the promise of a great and noble idea.
obama just doesn’t get it and it’s becomming alarming how slow his learning curve really is
we SHOULD be focusing on ISSUES, this isn’t about the “us vs them” republican bull shit, this is about ISSUES and it matters not one bit if a “democrat” is on the wrong side of the issue
Yeah that is just not something that should keep anyone awake at night.
is Move-On a propaganda arm of the Obama administration?
Is that the question being asked?
guess we will see…
imo the leadership of moveon should ask the members what they want to do. if the majority of the members want to go along with obama, i will disagree, but at least the leadership is reflecting the wishes of the members.
Obama wanted people to be more active, to be more involved with government, so he doesn’t get to complain about the results when we push back.
F*ck the insurance companies. And Rahm.
last summer there was also such a moment. here’s hoping that this time there is a different outcome (some background here and here)
No, but MoveOn or one of the other “interest groups” is. Someone should remind Obama that if the Reps and Senators did the right thing, we wouldn’t have to call and run ads against them. But they don’t do the right thing with out it, so the calls and ads should continue.
I was actually at the Waters talk. It’s rare to hear a lawmaker request MORE engagement from constituents. As for Obama, you cannot spend an entire campaign talking about how change begins from the bottom up and how people are ready to be part of their government again and expect people not to take it seriously.
What would Warren do?
Fuck him.
And I’m someone who contributed the max, phoned, knocked on doors, urged others to contribute.
But right now: Obama – fuck him.
Obama promised certain results in return for my vote. He got my vote. He got to be President. I’m still waiting for him to fulfill many of his promises. I owe him nothing. I’m an individual. I’m a liberal. I am not a Democrat. I vote for Democrats when they are the best candidate.
Again, I owe Obama and the Democratic party nothing, he still owes ME some of the results he promised the voters (like transparency in government!).
I just wish the President would stop insulting our intelligence.
I watched Obama’s town hall on health care, where the SEIU member lady asked Obama what she “could do to help you with your health care agenda.” I thought it was a perfect time for the president to ask people to call their congresscritters, tell them they were for the public option, and ask them to work for and vote for it in committee, on the floor, and in conference. But no — he recited some pablum about “getting informed” and “learning what the debate was about.”
He specifically avoided a softball opportunity to ask constituents to engage with our representatives, so I am not at all surprised that he is quoted by “people on the call” as saying that we shouldn’t engage with moderate Democrats. I really expected better. But now we know what we are facing.
And it isn’t pretty.
Dianne Feinstein has betrayed us in California in oh so many fronts I sure wish we could recall her ass. Her stance on “Single Payer” sure has made me angry. she has had Government Health Care for a large portion of her life but doesn’t think the rest of Us should have the same!! She sure thinks she is one of the elite and thus should get “Special treatment” and to hell with the rest of the people in her home state who are suffering.MoveOn keep on going! Latest frfom MoveOn email:
If Obama doesn’t like the ads in LA, too fucking bad. I don’t particularly like anything he’s been doing either. And I am sick to death of the DINO’s in Congress who are all to willing to fuck us over for the sake of big money lobbyists.
It will be interesting to see what happens to these rallies now.
Got an email the other day from MoveOn asking if we wanted to go forward with the ads or not. The overwhelming majority said “go” and MoveOn did and will. That’s all I know.
Can we get the media to call them something more descriptive than “moderate democrats”?
Democrats opposed to a public option is accurate.
Democrats in the pockets of insurance and pharmaceutical companies is as well, but that would be asking too much of the media.
Reactionary democrats?
You people need to go outside and enjoy yourselves. Yea YOU!
The Dems these ads target are not “moderate” by any rational definition. Of course, Obama probably considers himself moderate and we know he is well to the right of center.
I agree. In addition to the threat of losing big donors, MoveOn risks losing a substantial chunk of their rank and file membership–those who got involved w/moveon during the Obama primary and general election.
Poll the membership, then move. While there is a distressing amount of Obama-worship at Moveon, hopefully they will in the end realize the difference between favored politicians and favored principles. Where the two diverge, you pick the principle–not the politician.
Raining. Think I might enjoy a nice holiday nap, though.
Exactly, these are Dems In Name Only!
I have a more accurate term: Corporate Whores
Obama is full o’ shit and needs to be slapped HARD on health care. Don’t let him get away with this stuff.
Hot out. (I do stuff in the morning when it’s cooler, this time of year.)
Very glad to hear that. Good for them.
Is it true that Obama’s organization got the MoveOn mailing list? I had heard this and was surprised that MoveOn would give it up like that.
Obama channels DiFi: criticism from the left “doesn’t move me one whit.”
Seems pretty damn hot in here too.
Hell I might join move on is they show back bone. Os thin skinned?
jo6pac
The President is great at talking, but bad at selecting partners politically. He has given us business as usual and promised nothing of the kind. He should spend his own money to defend the senator if he wants to. Spend his political capital as well if his idiot advisors say so. Soon enough, he will realize they are idiots, or we will be the idiots, again.
He is making many of us sad that he lied to us on so many subjects.
Afternoon Jane and Firedogs,
Teddy your comment reminded me of the depth of my own one time naivete – fitting that it comes on the 4th –
a year ago, If I had one hope about installing this man in the White House, it was I saw him as one who had the power to make active, responsible citizenship kewl again – think fireside chats and communal civics lessons – “…and this week we’re gonna discuss the importance of calling your Congresscritter “
hoo-boy
And the “make me do it” crap is just that…..
Did anyone know that ALL insurance companies in France are NOT FOR PROFIT?
Digby had a breakdown of the single payer systems in Holland, Germany & France……
What’s to debate? An overwhelming majority of of taxpayers want a public option, whose left to debate the other side? The lobbyists of course. I say double down and attack harder.
So “Obama expressed his concern over advertisements and online campaigns targeting moderate Democrats, whom they criticize for not being fully devoted to “true” health-care reform.”
HE is in for my criticism if he does not realize those are the Democrats who need to be targeted if we are to get a public option. I think he is learning too slowly if HE thinks it is too early for him to campaign for a public option — now while the legislation is being written.
Move on, KEEP MOVING ON! Keep targeting the “moderate Democrats” who are not supporting a strong public option.
Obama admitted that single-payer would be the best way to go, but now he’ll settle for a scheme with no public component?
He’ll be clowning himself by trying to sell that as reform.
You’d think he’d be leading the whipping of the Blue Dogs.
I for one don’t give a shit about the labels dem or rethug. I want to get rid of the corporatists whatever their party.
Obama responds only to hissy fits from the likes of Rush Limbaugh, Lindsey Graham, John Boner and Mitch McConnell.
When they call for more cowbell, Obama gives them more cowbell goddamnit.
I agree with this 100%.
I’m with you Mauimom.
Every weekend July-Oct registering voters in VA.
Delivering food every weekend to canvassing offices.
Thousands of $ in donations.
And now?
Caving on public option healthcare.
Hiding on torture.
Hiring Wall Street insider Geithner?
Bullshitting Vaughn Walker.
Spying on us? who knows?
Behind Jack Goldsmith’s NYT op-ed on laptop hard drive seizures? Probably.
It can’t be a love fest anymore.
I suppose there is some hope in the fact that this article was written by Ceci “Heather” Connolly based solely on non-White-House sources. In case the White House wants to push back against the interpretation she presented of the President’s views, I am all ears.
Did the President actually say this?
Three-quarters of the American people want a public plan, and the president and the senate seem hellbent on ignoring us. What would he have us do, exactly? Abandon the public plan, as he and his corporatist allies atop the committees seem to want to do? I mean, what’s an activist to do, Mr President?
Thank you.
My husband gives me lots of shit because I’m non-stop pissed @ Obama. But I worked & worked and worked for Obama, and worked for Dems [even put up a yard sign in 2004 for the rotten Mikulski][additional work for Chris Van Hollen] — and now this.
To all the bots who say “he’s only been in office for six months,” I reply, “it’s not the RESULTS I’m asking for, but the EFFORT [and the intention].”
This report perfectly summarizes Obama: pissed at those on the left who used to be his supporters, while going all-out to protect the whores on the right, both within and without the Dem. party.
PS – add DADT and Defense of Marriage to your list.
Rahm and Barack consider us hostages with no where to go but my response has been the same in every place I have read about this.
Many of us would have been much more likely to listen to a request from the White House if they hadn’t disappointed us so many times already. Beginning with the continued abuse and defense of States Secrets, the use of Confessions gathered by Torture, continued detention of Child Soldiers, Conditions at Bagram Prison, the failed and farcical help for Homeowners, and of course the total lack of accountability of the Bush admin., Obama has told us we don’t matter in his decisions and that he doesn’t bother to listen to our opinions.
Any man who dismisses a person on one hand should not be asking for their help with the other. Rahm has no leverage to use, and no favors to remind us of. They have done nothing for those of us on the so-called left wing of the party except to try and rein us in at every turn. Asking us to leave the BlueDogs alone is ridiculous under there circumstances.
It isn’t like we have free healthcare for life….
Bob Somerby comments at Digby’s place:
You could probably fit the remainder in a Mini Cooper. Maybe on a tandem bike. Maybe a single seater.
What Obama needs to understand is that by pushing for a public option, left leaning organizations are trying to fulfill his obligations of “advancing legislation that fulfills his goal of expanding coverage, controlling rising costs and modernizing the health system”. I don’t think “his goal” will ever be reached if he keeps trying to please the private insurance companies. The heads of these companies are not going to give up their cushy lifestyles for anything or anybody. They don’t care if it’s killing the rest of us. Obama’s comment tell me he doesn’t care either.
That’s Obama’s plea for NO citizen activism, but to just let his top team of top men do what’s best for us. Fuggedaboutit.
Progressives have more to lose in not opposing rightwing Dems. GOP’ers that oppose progressive programs are self-destructing and increasingly unpopular. It is rightwing Dems, claiming to be “centrist”, who are the wolves in sheeps’ clothing. It is they who are most effective in opposing progressive causes.
Landrieu is not alone. Blanche Lincoln in Arkansas (D – Wal-Mart) caters to her billionaire family client and their corporate favorites almost exclusively, regardless of the needs of the people in her state or elsewhere.
If a Democrat votes more often with the GOP, they’re not a Democrat. If they use, like the GOP, obstruction as a tool to make their opponents fail or to increase their personal bargaining power, they do not deserve support but derision.
Progressives ought to work against the political positions of anyone who opposes increased government responsiveness to the needs of 90% of Americans.
I think he would prefer everyone sit quietly until time to contribute to his reelection campaign.
FYI:
McCain Adviser, Rick Davis, told the Washington Post at the end of August, 2008, that Palin had been fully vetted, including, he claimed, a background check by the FBI. Days later it was revealed, not by Davis or McCain, but by the FBI, that Davis had in fact, lied.
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/6123
Good luck getting MSM to use that one. Calling them “opposed to a public option” is both accurate and damaging to their popularity given public support for a public option. It may also have a chance of use by the MSM.
Calling them moderate democrats makes them sound Serious and Bipartisan. MSM loves to do this, so we’re going to need some luck to get them to even be accurate.
Obama’s not our boyfriend, as Bill Maher quipped. He’s a progressive-ish politician who will be as progressive as we make him. That last goes for Landrieu too, though I wouldn’t consider even remotely a progressive. Keep up the pressure.
or in a shoebox?
OT – Illinois GOP wiping out staff:
http://illinoisreview.typepad……et-go.html
The MSM are corporate whores as well.
Bingo.
Unfortunately, that doesn’t mean they’re packing up their tent and leaving town. Just means the current staff is taking the fall for the party’s dismal fortunes. They will be replaced.
Frederick Douglass
Been raining all day here without any lightning or thunder. Sorry Fred, swing and a miss.
Obama isn’t imitating FDR’s, “I agree with you, now make me do it.” He’s saying stop making me agree with you. Your effective grassroots efforts aren’t the direction I really want to go.
Besides, if your grassroots efforts are successful, I no longer look like the sole essential leader we need (though I advertise myself as a facilitator among equally credible players).
This plea makes it all about Obama, not the passage of credible health care reform that reduces the power to abuse Americans now wielded by oligopolistic health insurers.
What can you say about ole ‘Change you can believe in’ Obama. Perhaps it’s unhelpful to remind him about his ‘fierce advocasy’ for LGBT rights. Perhaps we didn’t understand his promise for openness and transparency in government. Perhaps we looked the other way when he brought back or kept on the same bums who presided over the dismantling of the FDR’s regulatory reforms resulting in the worst economic problems since the great depression. Perhaps we overlooked his reappointment of the same war criminals who tortured and corrupted the constitution in the CIA & NSA. Perhaps we discounted him ‘immediate’ closure of Guantanamo and pullback from Iraq. Perhaps we ignored his underwhelming stimulus and budgetary increase on military spending & his slap in the face of economists such as Kruggman & Steglitz who had called out the dangers of our financial situation over the last many years. Perhaps we avoid asking why he shitcanned the man most responsible for rebuilding the party – Howard Dean – after the 2004 election fiasco. Perhaps…
Anyone who has read the whinning by our new ‘moderate’ Democrat masters in the in the white house & senate in today’s WashPo:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02309.html
can only ask: why did we bother for these SoB’s?
Well now, THIS is my kind of 4th Of July!
PROTEST! VENT! RANT! DEMAND CHANGE!
Thanks Mz. Hamsher, and all you Pups above for a DELIGHTFUL way to spend this nations hippo birdie!
I’m with you all, across the board.
I’d like to suggest some kind of planned action in flooding the WH Switchboard and the Obama Website with our feelings about what I call his TREASONOUS comments in attempting to muffle the people who got him elected.
It’s time for us to display, with vigor and vim, we just won’t fucking take it anymore.
The honeymoon’s over, it’s kaput, and the damned marriage is failing cuz he’s sleeping with corporate whores.
It’s just time to stand up loud and proud, all 76% of Americans, who favor not a public plan, but a DAMNED SINGLE PAYER PLAN!
A watered down public option with a trigger, that exempts people who HAVE insured coverage now, and forces others to BUY coverage they can’t afford is no change at all, and it’s no pressure on the gamed system of insurance that Obama professed he wanted to change.
And for pressure, we can start thinking about just what his admin knew pre election and post election about Sarah Palin, Todd Palin, Ted Steevens, The FBI, and what Holder’s part in all of that was. After all, it appears that the BUSH Admin likely suppressed the initial investigations of Palin during her background checks. They KNEW Todd was an AIP member, that Sarah had been involved in AIP, etc. So if the BUSH admin knew all that, it’s likely Obama had been apprised on it all, also.
And CERTAINLY post election Obama HAD to know of it all, from Holder and the FBI.
So, I smell some complicity, and we should be USING that to double down pressure on Obama for his promises of change, that we ain’t getting.
Or in light of Teddy’s thoughts that the article and author of same are ‘questionable’, which is a GREAT comment, am I being too ‘harsh’? Pups?
Obama is also saying publicly that any Democrat who gets elected and thereby becomes a member of the Beltway Boys is more important than whatever program American citizens might want or desperately need.
Mr President this is not sacrificing the good in pursuit of the perfect, this is sacrificing the good in pursuit of cumbaya.
Answering a question at a town hall meeting about what citizens can do to check in on the health care issue, the President said “getting informed” and “learning what the debate was about.”
Anyone else write to the White House and ask, “Mr. President, now that I’m “informed” I’ve learned that the “debate” is about whether health care interests, in particular health insurance companies, will get their way and stop any meaningful, cost-saving reform legislation, or not.
Since meaningful health care reform has to be passed in the Congress, and the Senate is the sticking point, how can I as a person working a full time job and thus being unable to do much besides contribute cash to organizations that do the work of political advocacy for positions I favor have my voice heard other than encouraging advocacy organizations to outline the issues through paid media in the manner you are being crtitical of?”
Or are most of you here just pissing and moaning? No one in this thread’s said that they’ve actually done anything? ????
Good summary of the increasingly ominous if not downright disgusting presidential tenure. Obama’s drift toward “the center” (read: the right) is absolutely appalling. I too sent money I didn’t have to help get him elected, but every day he’s showing himself more as a timid corporatist than The Change Guy. Of course, most of the Dems are the same way. We’ve got to get rid of all the trash in both parties if this country is ever going to function as something other than a corporate oligarchy.
Obama saying that means that these efforts are working. Take it as evidence, and encouragement. Keep on pushing for a public option/single payer. Now is the time. The public pressure is growing, I’ve seen evidence here. This one we might well win.
The media organs are themselves objectively pro-corporate and pro-Republican.
Ah, that explains a lot.
Glitch alert!!!
Re: petition for MoveOn to KeepOn pressuring blue dogs.
After clicking “send” for petition, it takes you to a “tell your friends/family” page which does not sync up with the MoveOn/Landrieu petition, instead going to older get Hagan on board effort.
http://action.firedoglake.com/….._id=380650
Have emailed to change. Am missing this petition
http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/MoveOn
in your post here (maybe just overlooking) but got to it via the slinkerwink diary, currently on DK rec list.
Exactly.
Harsh? No, not at all.
Thank you. “Free at last” is an end, not a process. Without process, there is no “end” to celebrate.
So, now that Obama’s thrown the “public option” (or “plan”) folks under the bus — nobody could have predicted…. — why not reboot, and start the process over again with what Digby admits (”I do agree…”) should have been the starting point: Single payer?
Peter:
Public option and single payer are not the same thing. Single payer is embodied in crafted legislation, for starters, while public option is not. Even though, and I can’t imagine why this would be, public option has been CBO scored, and HR 676 (the Conyers single payer bill) has not. Then there’s the fact that single payer advocates have to get arrested for making their voices heard…
ratfood writes:
The time for everyone to buy trinkets and memorability and send Obama more money is now, and ever shall be, amen.
MoveOn “gave it up” a long time ago. Just saying.
btw, this Ceci Connolly person, who wrote the WaPo article quoted, is a piece of work: (not that I am defending Obama, but she’s got her own agenda)
She did a hit job on this a few days ago, and then there’s more-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02232.html
http://angrybear.blogspot.com/…..enate.html
She lurves Lieberman-
http://www.ceciconnolly.com/Politics_4.html
And, she is not the most accurate of reporters (Eric Boehlert article)
http://www.rollingstone.com/ne…..vs_al_gore
welcome back – always a pleasure to see you at the Lake
handy chart I’ve been using to illustrate difference btw single payer and public option for the less wonky among us
Jane,
I’ve never been invited to a White House cocktail party. I don’t expect to be invited to one. I don’t know that I would go if I were invited, I suppose that I would out of respect for the man and the office.
But I’m not going to change what I’m doing. I’ve seen what happens when people like me don’t get involved: George Walker Bush and his ilk happen.
If not me, then who? If not now, then when?
So, Bingaman’s office next week.
Thanks!
With the caveat that so far as I can tell there are as many versions of “public option” (or “plan,” wev) as there are advocates; we only got the Senate version last week — and since the devil is in the details, we can’t use vague talking points and general principles to hold anyone accountable for anything. One reason that I approach the whip efforts with a hermaneutic of suspicion: If we don’t know what we’re really whipping for, what’s the point? Though I’m always happy to see a sharp stick poked in Mary Landrieu’s eye. Since single payer is embodied in legislation in both House and Senate, single payer advocates don’t have the problem of drawing a line in the sand, in shifting sand.
Ceci Connolly has also been suppressing single payer; imagine not calling John Conyers for a quote on HR 676! Of course, since the first topic in WaPo’s $25,000 to $250,000 salon’s was going to be health care, maybe now we have sufficient insight to see why see did that. (And since the media suppression of single payer is a key part of why the Overton Window is stuck at “public option” as the left most position, instead of single payer, it’s particularly unfortunate that there were very few (no?) big megaphones in the blogosphere trying to make up for that in 2008.)
This stuff keeps evolving, cbl.
The current proposal puts a $1000 fine in place for opting out of insurance coverage. So everyone’s in, but only because the law says you have to be.
I almost agree with the asshats that that’s an intrusive mechanism. I prefer these things be done under anesthesia: put payroll and estate taxes in place to finance single-payer.
Then everyone’s in because everyone who works is paying, dependents are covered and the investing class pay after they die.
Except that in this case, we are whipping for something specific: a pledge to not allow bandaid fixes that encourage rent-seeking and other bad behaviors from the insurance companies.
Ceci Connolly- from the quote linked above July 4:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..rss_nation
Ceci Connolly from June 28-
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02232.html
If nothing else she knows how to use cut and paste.
HELP!
Why does Obama want us to stop pressuring Blue dogs?
I also ask, because like anyone here, I have trouble believing anything Ceci Connelly writes on health care. I wouldn’t believe her if she said that blood is red.
Oh, WOW- thanks for that link- amazing- I am just discovering her!
From your link:
Because Obama wants us all to be one big, happy Democratic Party.
Connelly has also been a long time (ten years) contributor to Fixxed News.
She also hammered Al Gore during the 2000 campaign from her perch at WaPo.
That’s why I discount anything she prints.
Oh OKAY
Jane: “Obama mutes liberal criticism … by reaching out to those at the top and rewarding them personally with access rather than making adjustments in policy or legislative strategy.” Nice.
OH OKAY- We’re supposed to STFU while you blow this thing? So no one will be mean to your Blue Dog centrist friends while the rethugs blow this thing all to hell?
Good luck with THAT.
Well, I am catching up! Crikey! I don’t watch TV, so there was no “name recognition” on my part – but then I went off to teh google- !!!!
Answer to Jane’s Question:
Probably.
MoveOn is a top-down org, more and more a faux-grassroots org. Yes, they will cave.
Yes, I know that. The point I was trying to make is that progressives should keep up the pressure, especially since Obama’s remarks show that he is feeling it. I was less worried about exactly which plan they should push…
Did the same feel the same went for the hope a dope and ended up with George W. Obama so sad no more money and no more time from me for him
BS!! They listen to their members and single payer public option is what they (I) Want for all Citizens….
Will Obama let Cici Connolly and the Washington Post gossip and attempt to influence public opinion about his weariness over advocacy groups demanding inclusion of a public option?
Please dear Jane, will you let them get away with it?
I’ve been writing the WH a couple-three times a week about this. (I suspect what they do is automagically trash the incoming e-mails, without actually reading them.)
“Can we get the media to call them something more descriptive than ‘moderate democrats’?”
Sadly, that’s about as likely as getting them to call torture, torture.
I’ve written the WH, my Senators, and my Rep repeatedly, supported everyone I can find who believes single payor is the best option, and a genuine public option is the worst we will accept. I’ve asked every friend and acquaintance to join in.
I think the progressive community should continue to hold Obama to his words on all of the issues,but at the same time we do not cave to anyone or let anyone stop us from moving the agenda period. It time Obama start to kick some DEM and REP asses let them know in know uncertain terms this what I want for heathcare,energy and other issues or there will be a price to be paid period by all.
Oh hell no. if they do- there goes the support of millions. I mean, we don’t have many standing up for a public option. Or speaking out against torture. Or just standing up for the progressive agenda in general
Obama we are not going to disarm when there is a fight going on. Get your own house in order you bailed out the banks and AIG an insurance company they owe YOU!
And more importantly you own them as a major shareholder get THEM to stop funding their anti healthcare Lies.
Just say any company that keeps funding the lies and not honest debate will not get any more government cash.
If the GOP says cenorship F%^& them they came to you for cash did they really think there would be no strings?
MoveOn.org has been attacking the energy bill that came out of the house as too weak, and is launching a campaign to strengthen it. They put out a member poll, basically asking if they should take on Obama (at least in part), and it came back more than 90% for. I think that they’ve done a good job positioning themselves to the left of Obama and putting pressure on Congress and the President from the progressive side.
In the end, MoveOn.org has been highly responsive to its members on issues like this.
Of course the calls and ads should continue. I’ve blogged about this here.
Pardon me, but Ceci Connolly of all people just knows the inside scoop on the Democratic Party? Or is she writing her wishes.
We’ve just been given another reason to keep it up. Somebody’s not happy, and I don’t think it’s Obama.
Let me see: Landrieu, Ben Nelson, Max Baucus, Kay Hagan, and what other three?
might move their smug asses right out of office