Comments on: July 4th and a Health Care Plan with a Public Option http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/ Politics for liberal newsgeeks Tue, 24 Nov 2009 08:24:08 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: lambertstrether http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-30503 lambertstrether Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:10:36 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/#comment-30503 <p>Well said, Maggie. Public OPTION, exactly because it leaves for-profit health care system in place, can’t claim that health care is a right. And in fact, they are careful not to.</p> Well said, Maggie. Public OPTION, exactly because it leaves for-profit health care system in place, can’t claim that health care is a right. And in fact, they are careful not to.

]]> By: lambertstrether http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-30502 lambertstrether Sun, 05 Jul 2009 04:08:56 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/#comment-30502 <p>You are aware that the Senate Bill ghetto-izes public option with a means test, just like welfare right?</p> <p>So, presumably you’re going to be whipping Kennedy to get that fixed? </p> <p>But then that’s the problem with advocating for something that’s only a set of vague principles and talking points; you can’t ever know what you’re really whipping for. </p> <p>Single payer advocates, of course, don’t have that problem, since their approach is embodied in legislation.</p> You are aware that the Senate Bill ghetto-izes public option with a means test, just like welfare right?

So, presumably you’re going to be whipping Kennedy to get that fixed?

But then that’s the problem with advocating for something that’s only a set of vague principles and talking points; you can’t ever know what you’re really whipping for.

Single payer advocates, of course, don’t have that problem, since their approach is embodied in legislation.

]]> By: nahant http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-30501 nahant Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:15:46 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/#comment-30501 <blockquote><p>And I will continue to say….<br /> Fuck Reagan and the horse he rode in on….. </p></blockquote> <p>With a Dildo the size of a 747 so they don’t forget what has happened to them!!</p>

And I will continue to say….
Fuck Reagan and the horse he rode in on…..

With a Dildo the size of a 747 so they don’t forget what has happened to them!!

]]> By: nahant http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-30500 nahant Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:13:49 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/#comment-30500 <blockquote><p>Unfortunately natural selection tends to favor greedy opportunists. </p></blockquote> <p>I know but we as a People and in order for the many to succeed we just have to change the way of things!!<br /> One of the reasons I support the “Death Tax”!!<br /> seems to me this is the only way to eliminate the rich from continuing to suppress the many with their money!!</p>

Unfortunately natural selection tends to favor greedy opportunists.

I know but we as a People and in order for the many to succeed we just have to change the way of things!!
One of the reasons I support the “Death Tax”!!
seems to me this is the only way to eliminate the rich from continuing to suppress the many with their money!!

]]> By: Jo Fish http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-30499 Jo Fish Sun, 05 Jul 2009 02:03:20 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/#comment-30499 <p>jayT… well, keep Indianapolis safe for the rest of us then… I had the impression you were here in Northern Virginia. Remember, sanity is just an illusion…</p> jayT… well, keep Indianapolis safe for the rest of us then… I had the impression you were here in Northern Virginia. Remember, sanity is just an illusion…

]]> By: katymine http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-30498 katymine Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:56:31 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/#comment-30498 <p>Peterr - all below is related to health care…</p> <p># establish justice - it is a right and you don’t have it then it is discrimination….</p> <p># insure domestic tranquility - HELLO Obama, if we had public/single payer then we would not be making a kizillion phone calls and running commercials </p> <p># provide for the common defense - if every person in America is covered they we can spend our time dealing with other issues instead of being disenrolled or denied claims or denied authorizations or can’t get insurance or dealing with bankruptcy or ….. </p> <p># promote the general welfare - having a healthy population makes a more productive workforce, they are healthy, have universal health care and also focus on other issues than who the fuck pays for their healthcare or if they can pay….. </p> <p>And I will continue to say….<br /> Fuck Reagan and the horse he rode in on…..</p> Peterr – all below is related to health care…

# establish justice – it is a right and you don’t have it then it is discrimination….

# insure domestic tranquility – HELLO Obama, if we had public/single payer then we would not be making a kizillion phone calls and running commercials

# provide for the common defense – if every person in America is covered they we can spend our time dealing with other issues instead of being disenrolled or denied claims or denied authorizations or can’t get insurance or dealing with bankruptcy or …..

# promote the general welfare – having a healthy population makes a more productive workforce, they are healthy, have universal health care and also focus on other issues than who the fuck pays for their healthcare or if they can pay…..

And I will continue to say….
Fuck Reagan and the horse he rode in on…..

]]> By: jayt http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-30497 jayt Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:53:47 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/#comment-30497 <p>heya Jo - nah, my job is to keep Indianapolis safe for sane people - and as soon as I meet some, I’m gonna ask ‘em how I’m doing….</p> heya Jo – nah, my job is to keep Indianapolis safe for sane people – and as soon as I meet some, I’m gonna ask ‘em how I’m doing….

]]> By: maggiesboy http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-30496 maggiesboy Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:53:01 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/#comment-30496 <p>Yes, the police have made gains but when you compare what cops,teachers, firefighters and soldiers do compared to bankers, ceo’s, brokers, etc., the disparity is staggering. Compensation is so skewed in this country most folks can’t wrap their heads around it. What is it now, the average CEO makes 200 or 400 times the pay of the average worker?</p> <p>You know Jane might want to add one more criteria to the Whip questions.<br /> #4 Every American should have the same health plan as every member of Congress.</p> Yes, the police have made gains but when you compare what cops,teachers, firefighters and soldiers do compared to bankers, ceo’s, brokers, etc., the disparity is staggering. Compensation is so skewed in this country most folks can’t wrap their heads around it. What is it now, the average CEO makes 200 or 400 times the pay of the average worker?

You know Jane might want to add one more criteria to the Whip questions.
#4 Every American should have the same health plan as every member of Congress.

]]> By: Jo Fish http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-30495 Jo Fish Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:51:16 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/#comment-30495 <p>ROTFLMAO… Happy 4th, ratfood. Hey, JayT… you up here in the reaches of NoVA?</p> ROTFLMAO… Happy 4th, ratfood. Hey, JayT… you up here in the reaches of NoVA?

]]> By: ratfood http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/comment-page-1/#comment-30494 ratfood Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:48:34 +0000 http://campaignsilo.firedoglake.com/2009/07/04/july-4th-and-a-health-care-plan-with-a-public-option/#comment-30494 <p>The Founders crafted a set of ideals and immediately the powerful (in some cases the same individuals) set about looking for loopholes. I think for it to be otherwise humans will have to evolve beyond greed and self-serving opportunism. Unfortunately natural selection tends to favor greedy opportunists.</p> The Founders crafted a set of ideals and immediately the powerful (in some cases the same individuals) set about looking for loopholes. I think for it to be otherwise humans will have to evolve beyond greed and self-serving opportunism. Unfortunately natural selection tends to favor greedy opportunists.

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