Thanks Cynthia.

Gotta preserve the entities that pay campaign bills.

Here is a video that says a lot about “Our” Insurance companies

I sure hope we get Single Payer and put these greedy bastards out of business!! They have had Their way our Health Care for over sixty years and what do we have??? Record numbers who have no coverage, Record numbers who HAD coverage but because the health insurance companies worry more about their Profits, these Good Americans are forced into Bankruptcy because the Insurance companies refuse to cover their medical needs.
This Must stop and STOP now!!
Single Payer with the Government overseeing the health care, Use the VA as a starting point of how to do it!! The VA provides good health Care with little overhead!!

hr 676 is conyer’s single payer bill. with it we could have comprehensive universal healthCARE with no copays, no coinsurance and no deductibles AND control total healthcare costs.

but that’s NOT what obama and sebelius have proposed (although it’s what i think we need to be fighting for).

from drsteveb: Important Public Message: Public Option is NOT Single Payer

I am sure that most people here understand the difference between the mediocre compromise that is public option, and actual change of the system broken that is single payer. It may be the best we can get in 2009, but it is of critical importance that the public understands what it is and what it is not. 2009 is not the end of the fight for health care reform. We need to think strategically, not just tactically.

The reason this is important is after we get whatever reform we are going It is also a matter of who gets to win the “I told you so” argument after the next reform passes, and if it fails as Single Payer advocates believe it will. At the very least we want to be sure that after this “reform” does pass, that if it fails, the next step is forward to single-payer (”see you left the private for-profit in as wasteful cheating unneeded intermediaries”), and not backward (”see government tries to reform things and it went badly”) to market fundamentalism.

Out there in the real world there is a very real danger that the distinction is lost and not understood.

Many people think what they are getting IS national health insurance.

There is a danger that the general public actually thinks that what has come to be known as public option is the progressive, liberal, left solution. Regardless of the no doubt good faith efforts of slinkerwink, HCAN, the so-called Unity Coalition and Building Blocks folks, it is not. It is a compromise kludge of a camel designed to prop up the inherent failure of the for profit private insurance model, rather than replace it. And it is predesigned to fail: it will not get us to universal coverage and actual access to care, it will not provide coverage that is comprehensive for all care necessary; it will not control total costs; it will not control individual out of pocket costs.

We are not going to get the many benefits of single payer, that go beyond just the savings of $400 Billion per year in excess administrative costs including but not limited to profit. We lose out on all the efficiencies of monospony, global planning and control.

all public option plans preserve a multi payer system with private insurance companies.

more on single payer from pnhp:

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/sing…..ources.php

I have used the VA extensively (but not for a few years). I was very satisfied with the care I got but The doctors and nurses etc are employees of the VA. That dog ain’t gonna hunt.

Book Salon up at the Mothership with Robert Wright’s The Evolution of God hosted by John Horgan

Why not?? They attract good Doctors and other health care professionals! But I as I said use it a a model of where to start. They Dr and others don’t necessarily need to work for Uncle Sam!! But their delivery system holds costs down and the price of Meds to the patient with low co pays.

Use the medicare system but incorporate the efficiencies of the VA.

Works for me!! Just get rid of the insurance companies, they sucked the money out of the Public for long enough!! I wonder how many have died because of their GREED!

have you read this one?
Horror stories from doctors about dealing with the insurance companies.

thank you for the link. wow.

If 70% of people like their insurance then 30% do not.
If 45M people are uninsured that’s about 15% uninsured.

30% + 15% ==> 45% of Americans who want change!

I still oppose single-payer as I don’t think it’s the role of the federal gov’t to put people out of business if they’re not breaking the law.

That said, I see no reason we should leave 135M people unhappy.

And, now that we know the Repubs aren’t interested in voting for a public option bill, Dems should simply push it through.

I also prefer dropping the mandates as there’s no good reason to assist the private insurers in their raping of Americans via high prices & low service. We should also remove any other public assistance they might be receiving.

Let’s help people the private insurers won’t help.
Let’s do it cheaper and with better service.
Let’s do it now!

I still oppose single-payer as I don’t think it’s the role of the federal gov’t to put people out of business if they’re not breaking the law.

Taking money for services you don’t intend to provide is probably illegal. Taking money under false pretenses is definitely illegal.
Cancelling coverage for things the covered didn’t know about certainly should be illegal. Claiming pregnancy is a pre-existing condition should be illegal, too. Cancelling coverage, or denying coverage, for treatment

after it takes place

ought to be grounds for removal of the company’s charter and major fines for the officers as well as the corporation itself.

The only reason they are not breaking the law is because many of the rules and regs were changed. They need to be strengthen so that we no longer have murder by spreadsheet.

It’s not enough said. What also has to be said is that if the Democrats keep representing people like Grassley and not us, we’ll start a real Democratic Party and let this bunch of elitist fools go to hell.