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		<title>By: Jane Hamsher</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/well-fix-it-in-conference/#comment-29425</link>
		<dc:creator>Jane Hamsher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 11:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Was the House bill just a sop to healthcare reform advocates?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was the House bill just a sop to healthcare reform advocates?</p>
<p>Yes.</p>
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		<title>By: DLoerke</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/well-fix-it-in-conference/#comment-29424</link>
		<dc:creator>DLoerke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:53:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Doctors go to school and earn much abuse to become well paid for their services.  Their Hypocratic oath REQUIRES they owe no allegiance to the government, only to the patient.  As for Corporate Socialism, I trust a private corporation answerable to its shareholders more than I trust a government which more and more is answerable to no one.   As far as no bid conferences to DOD, when you’re in a war, you don’t need to follow procurement rules.  War is the exception, the emergency.  The USA has an estimated 200 reserve YEARS of oil.  Keep burning it until you develop an answer as we’re going to need the CO2 to stop the global COOLING more scientists are predicting is the overall patter.  Patents are protected by the US constitution.  NO PUBLIC DOCTORs.  THey work like Public Toilets.  No Tyranny from this Administration and their lackeys.  Common Sense will prevail.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctors go to school and earn much abuse to become well paid for their services.  Their Hypocratic oath REQUIRES they owe no allegiance to the government, only to the patient.  As for Corporate Socialism, I trust a private corporation answerable to its shareholders more than I trust a government which more and more is answerable to no one.   As far as no bid conferences to DOD, when you’re in a war, you don’t need to follow procurement rules.  War is the exception, the emergency.  The USA has an estimated 200 reserve YEARS of oil.  Keep burning it until you develop an answer as we’re going to need the CO2 to stop the global COOLING more scientists are predicting is the overall patter.  Patents are protected by the US constitution.  NO PUBLIC DOCTORs.  THey work like Public Toilets.  No Tyranny from this Administration and their lackeys.  Common Sense will prevail.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/well-fix-it-in-conference/#comment-29423</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Kill it in conference. No socialism. No Tyranny. No Public Doctors. Ever. The American people do NOT wish to be the Soviet Republic of America.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;True the corporate Socialism must end. We’ve let them get by with monopolies and subsidies far too long. We must work to make the economy work better. The “Tyranny” we have to deal with now is that of Big Money influencing Congress, elections, everything! We need to narrow the wealth gap to prevent that domination.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nobody (AFAIK) is calling for “Public Doctors”, only more salaried doctors instead of pay-per-service doctors. We need to distance doctors from money issues, so they can focus on healing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;DL, ask the corporations if they’ll be okay with ending *their* little corner of the Sovietized America.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;How many no-bid contracts to the Dept. of Defense?&lt;br /&gt;
How much wasteful military-industrial spending?&lt;br /&gt;
How much in subsidies to the oil industry?&lt;br /&gt;
How many idiotic subsidies to agriculture?&lt;br /&gt;
Who exploits patent law to avoid letting their opposition develop products?&lt;br /&gt;
Why can’t we get drugs imported, at least from friendly countries?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s lots of room for improvements which will save the public tons of money. Then more people could afford health insurance from private vendors!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;YELL IT LOUD!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Kill it in conference. No socialism. No Tyranny. No Public Doctors. Ever. The American people do NOT wish to be the Soviet Republic of America.</p>
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<p>True the corporate Socialism must end. We’ve let them get by with monopolies and subsidies far too long. We must work to make the economy work better. The “Tyranny” we have to deal with now is that of Big Money influencing Congress, elections, everything! We need to narrow the wealth gap to prevent that domination.</p>
<p>Nobody (AFAIK) is calling for “Public Doctors”, only more salaried doctors instead of pay-per-service doctors. We need to distance doctors from money issues, so they can focus on healing.</p>
<p>DL, ask the corporations if they’ll be okay with ending *their* little corner of the Sovietized America.</p>
<p>How many no-bid contracts to the Dept. of Defense?<br />
How much wasteful military-industrial spending?<br />
How much in subsidies to the oil industry?<br />
How many idiotic subsidies to agriculture?<br />
Who exploits patent law to avoid letting their opposition develop products?<br />
Why can’t we get drugs imported, at least from friendly countries?</p>
<p>There’s lots of room for improvements which will save the public tons of money. Then more people could afford health insurance from private vendors!</p>
<p>YELL IT LOUD!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:35:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s no folding or backing down to be done. We know the Republicans don’t want to help out uninsured Americans and they won’t vote for any reform and they actively try to slow work on the legislation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Dems are essentially on their own in Congress to find ways to implement the president’s goals.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Insure more people.&lt;br /&gt;
Lower individual costs.&lt;br /&gt;
Lower systemic costs to the nation.&lt;br /&gt;
Improve quality of outcomes.&lt;br /&gt;
Do it without deficit spending.&lt;br /&gt;
Be open to bipartisanship.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Insuring more people means a public option because the private sector has simply decided not to do it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lowering costs can be achieved with the competition a public option will bring to the market and with some other things like IT and form standardization and regional equalizing and introduction of more doctors, nurses and community health centers and by providing incentives for more not-for-profit care and more salaried-pay (rather than pay-for-service).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Doing all this without breaking the bank is important to avoid negating the goal of lowering systemic costs. That doesn’t make it easier.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To avoid burdening the insurance companies with patients they don’t want there should probably be no mandates and elimination of subsidies and other gov’t monies going to private insurers and (possibly even) care-givers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To protect consumers there will need to be regulations preventing insurer interference in the doctor-patient relationship and to prevent other significant harms to consumers.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s no folding or backing down to be done. We know the Republicans don’t want to help out uninsured Americans and they won’t vote for any reform and they actively try to slow work on the legislation.</p>
<p>Dems are essentially on their own in Congress to find ways to implement the president’s goals.</p>
<p>Insure more people.<br />
Lower individual costs.<br />
Lower systemic costs to the nation.<br />
Improve quality of outcomes.<br />
Do it without deficit spending.<br />
Be open to bipartisanship.</p>
<p>Insuring more people means a public option because the private sector has simply decided not to do it.</p>
<p>Lowering costs can be achieved with the competition a public option will bring to the market and with some other things like IT and form standardization and regional equalizing and introduction of more doctors, nurses and community health centers and by providing incentives for more not-for-profit care and more salaried-pay (rather than pay-for-service).</p>
<p>Doing all this without breaking the bank is important to avoid negating the goal of lowering systemic costs. That doesn’t make it easier.</p>
<p>To avoid burdening the insurance companies with patients they don’t want there should probably be no mandates and elimination of subsidies and other gov’t monies going to private insurers and (possibly even) care-givers.</p>
<p>To protect consumers there will need to be regulations preventing insurer interference in the doctor-patient relationship and to prevent other significant harms to consumers.</p>
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		<title>By: marchan1940</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/26/well-fix-it-in-conference/#comment-29420</link>
		<dc:creator>marchan1940</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 04:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane, do you have any judgement about Sen. Rockefeller’s bill, Consumer’s Health Care Act - has no number, but is available on 42 PDF file pages via his web side &lt;a href=&quot;http://rockefeller.senate.gov/press/.&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rockefeller.senate.gov/press/.&lt;/a&gt;  See West Virginia Gazette article on June 25 at http?/sundaygazettemail.com/News/20090623731 with interview with senator who says&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We have a moral choice.  This is a classic case of the good guys versus the bad guys.  I know it is not political for me to say that,” Rockefeller says.  But do yo want to be non-partisan and get nothing? or do you want to be partisan and end up with a good health care plan.  That is the choice.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;His first principles are a small list of just/robust expectations.  I’ve not read the bill, so the devil may well be in the details, but I was kind of excited to see the article and the bill and hope to get to at least some of it’s provisions soon.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ll be making calls on Monday, now that the California Neuropathy Action Foundation Conference is over and at which I called for PNers to work for a just and robust public option available to all who wants and needs it&lt;br /&gt;
THIS YEAR = got a lot of applause in response.  Glory be! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blessings and thanks&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, do you have any judgement about Sen. Rockefeller’s bill, Consumer’s Health Care Act &#8211; has no number, but is available on 42 PDF file pages via his web side <a href="http://rockefeller.senate.gov/press/." rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://rockefeller.senate.gov/press/" rel="nofollow">http://rockefeller.senate.gov/press/</a>.  See West Virginia Gazette article on June 25 at http?/sundaygazettemail.com/News/20090623731 with interview with senator who says</p>
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<p>We have a moral choice.  This is a classic case of the good guys versus the bad guys.  I know it is not political for me to say that,” Rockefeller says.  But do yo want to be non-partisan and get nothing? or do you want to be partisan and end up with a good health care plan.  That is the choice.” </p>
<p>His first principles are a small list of just/robust expectations.  I’ve not read the bill, so the devil may well be in the details, but I was kind of excited to see the article and the bill and hope to get to at least some of it’s provisions soon.  </p>
<p>I’ll be making calls on Monday, now that the California Neuropathy Action Foundation Conference is over and at which I called for PNers to work for a just and robust public option available to all who wants and needs it<br />
THIS YEAR = got a lot of applause in response.  Glory be! </p>
<p>Blessings and thanks</p>
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		<title>By: DLoerke</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLoerke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 03:38:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Kill it in conference.  No socialism.  No Tyranny.  No Public Doctors.  Ever.  The American people do NOT wish to be the Soviet Republic of America.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kill it in conference.  No socialism.  No Tyranny.  No Public Doctors.  Ever.  The American people do NOT wish to be the Soviet Republic of America.</p>
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		<title>By: PJEvans</title>
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		<dc:creator>PJEvans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“We’ll Fix It In Conference”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Riiiight.&lt;br /&gt;
They’ll fix it so it’s better for the insurance companies, and worse for everyone else. Because they can, and they’ll get more money: the insurnace companies have deep, deep pocketses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;F*ck the insurance companies.&lt;br /&gt;
Single payer, or public option as a second choice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>“We’ll Fix It In Conference”</p>
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<p>Riiiight.<br />
They’ll fix it so it’s better for the insurance companies, and worse for everyone else. Because they can, and they’ll get more money: the insurnace companies have deep, deep pocketses.</p>
<p>F*ck the insurance companies.<br />
Single payer, or public option as a second choice.</p>
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		<title>By: jimbo</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Due to frustrations resulting from greed and obstructionism that doom 100 million Americans to no healthcare or to be underinsured or to be just flat out screwed by the insurance companies, I’ve designed my own health care solution.  It contains generalizations, but they can be resolved in conference.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have read that there is potentially $250 billion in savings to be accrued from instituting single payer or the public option.  Accept reality.  Divide the savings as follows:  Give insurance companies $150 billion right off the top, no taxes.  The insurers should jump at this, no need to spend money to pay off Congress, and they can get rid of all the little rats who work so hard to find ways to screw the insured out of their rightful benefits.  Just pure profit.  This is a small price to pay so that Americans can get the health care they deserve and need, just as good as Congress.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Secondly give $50 billion straight to Congress.  Now granted many in Congress are honest and have integrity (I think, many being the key word). This is a generalization that has to be resolved; maybe the honest can just say no, and refuse the money.  But those who are whores and obstructionists will likely take the money and run, since it is very obvious who they are anyway.  They have nothing to lose, especially since with a little work they will be identified and ousted their next election. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All this can be accomplished in a very short period of time, which will leave Congress lots of time on its hands to begin to resolve all the other crises we are now living with.  I understand that it will take work to get this approach through Congress, but just maybe the corrupt are outnumbered by honest Congress men and women who too want to accept reality and get the issue resolved.  Surely the honest will leap at a chance to make a stand and move on, assuming there are enough honest to get it done.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Due to frustrations resulting from greed and obstructionism that doom 100 million Americans to no healthcare or to be underinsured or to be just flat out screwed by the insurance companies, I’ve designed my own health care solution.  It contains generalizations, but they can be resolved in conference.</p>
<p>I have read that there is potentially $250 billion in savings to be accrued from instituting single payer or the public option.  Accept reality.  Divide the savings as follows:  Give insurance companies $150 billion right off the top, no taxes.  The insurers should jump at this, no need to spend money to pay off Congress, and they can get rid of all the little rats who work so hard to find ways to screw the insured out of their rightful benefits.  Just pure profit.  This is a small price to pay so that Americans can get the health care they deserve and need, just as good as Congress.</p>
<p>Secondly give $50 billion straight to Congress.  Now granted many in Congress are honest and have integrity (I think, many being the key word). This is a generalization that has to be resolved; maybe the honest can just say no, and refuse the money.  But those who are whores and obstructionists will likely take the money and run, since it is very obvious who they are anyway.  They have nothing to lose, especially since with a little work they will be identified and ousted their next election. </p>
<p>All this can be accomplished in a very short period of time, which will leave Congress lots of time on its hands to begin to resolve all the other crises we are now living with.  I understand that it will take work to get this approach through Congress, but just maybe the corrupt are outnumbered by honest Congress men and women who too want to accept reality and get the issue resolved.  Surely the honest will leap at a chance to make a stand and move on, assuming there are enough honest to get it done.</p>
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		<title>By: DeanOR</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeanOR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jane: “I’d bet just about everything I own that the opposite will happen — in order to lure the centrists, they’ll…pass something that will make Blue Cross and Kay Hagan happy.” And here I was thinking that since it looks just like that to me too, not to mention all the other crap, it must mean I’m depressed and seeing through a glass darkly. No, I’m just in touch with reality.&lt;br /&gt;
I’ve been thinking about when they passed the Medicare drug bill a few years ago, which I’m grateful for as someone on Medicare, but it could only pass by including the prohibition against Medicare bargaining for drug prices, thus giving a windfall to pharma at taxpayer expense. So we had the spectacle of Americans going to Canada (which could use their clout to bargain for prices) for their prescriptions and drug companies making record profits, and now Obama telling the nation on TV that our government health insurance, viz. Medicare/Medicaid will consume the entire federal budget (not a great way to sell the concept of government health insurance).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane: “I’d bet just about everything I own that the opposite will happen — in order to lure the centrists, they’ll…pass something that will make Blue Cross and Kay Hagan happy.” And here I was thinking that since it looks just like that to me too, not to mention all the other crap, it must mean I’m depressed and seeing through a glass darkly. No, I’m just in touch with reality.<br />
I’ve been thinking about when they passed the Medicare drug bill a few years ago, which I’m grateful for as someone on Medicare, but it could only pass by including the prohibition against Medicare bargaining for drug prices, thus giving a windfall to pharma at taxpayer expense. So we had the spectacle of Americans going to Canada (which could use their clout to bargain for prices) for their prescriptions and drug companies making record profits, and now Obama telling the nation on TV that our government health insurance, viz. Medicare/Medicaid will consume the entire federal budget (not a great way to sell the concept of government health insurance).</p>
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		<title>By: bonzo1958</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonzo1958</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 00:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;#14  “Republicans have their heels dug in and Democrats are prepared to fold like a house of cards (to Big Insurance).”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;#15  ” But it will require that everyone purchase health insurance, and it will provide huge subsidies to private health insurance companies. The Wimpycrats will call it victory. The rest of us will know it’s a sellout.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And maybe that’s always been the plan——blame the repubs.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#14  “Republicans have their heels dug in and Democrats are prepared to fold like a house of cards (to Big Insurance).”</p>
<p>#15  ” But it will require that everyone purchase health insurance, and it will provide huge subsidies to private health insurance companies. The Wimpycrats will call it victory. The rest of us will know it’s a sellout.”</p>
<p>And maybe that’s always been the plan——blame the repubs.</p>
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