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	<title>Comments on: Will Kay Hagan Betray Ted Kennedy?</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/19/will-kay-hagan-betray-ted-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-28647</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s what’s happening in Iran. Here’s an amazing quote I copied from another blog-post, over at WashingtonMonthly.com It’s a translation of a blog-post from Iran!&lt;/p&gt;
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I will participate in the demonstrations tomorrow. Maybe they will turn violent. Maybe I will be one of the people who is going to get killed. I’m listening to all my favorite music. I even want to dance to a few songs. I always wanted to have very narrow eyebrows. Yes, maybe I will go to the salon before I go tomorrow! There are a few great movie scenes that I also have to see. I should drop by the library, too. It’s worth to read the poems of Forough and Shamloo again. All family pictures have to be reviewed, too. I have to call my friends as well to say goodbye. All I have are two bookshelves which I told my family who should receive them. I’m two units away from getting my bachelors degree but who cares about that. My mind is very chaotic. I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism. This note is dedicated to tomorrow’s children…
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s what’s happening in Iran. Here’s an amazing quote I copied from another blog-post, over at WashingtonMonthly.com It’s a translation of a blog-post from Iran!</p>
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I will participate in the demonstrations tomorrow. Maybe they will turn violent. Maybe I will be one of the people who is going to get killed. I’m listening to all my favorite music. I even want to dance to a few songs. I always wanted to have very narrow eyebrows. Yes, maybe I will go to the salon before I go tomorrow! There are a few great movie scenes that I also have to see. I should drop by the library, too. It’s worth to read the poems of Forough and Shamloo again. All family pictures have to be reviewed, too. I have to call my friends as well to say goodbye. All I have are two bookshelves which I told my family who should receive them. I’m two units away from getting my bachelors degree but who cares about that. My mind is very chaotic. I wrote these random sentences for the next generation so they know we were not just emotional and under peer pressure. So they know that we did everything we could to create a better future for them. So they know that our ancestors surrendered to Arabs and Mongols but did not surrender to despotism. This note is dedicated to tomorrow’s children…
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/19/will-kay-hagan-betray-ted-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-28646</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:06:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That would simply make our current problems worse. We need to move in the other direction of insuring more people at the expense of the health care/insurance industry (rather than the public).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The idea of putting the cost on employers is one I’m not terribly fond of, but makes more sense than putting it all on the public.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think of a public option where the public dime pays/subsidizes a lot of people as a serious compromise which doesn’t directly assault the huge per/person cost the industry is putting on Americans. Twice what other countries charge is insane! 18% of GDP instead of Canada’s 11% is insane!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That would simply make our current problems worse. We need to move in the other direction of insuring more people at the expense of the health care/insurance industry (rather than the public).</p>
<p>The idea of putting the cost on employers is one I’m not terribly fond of, but makes more sense than putting it all on the public.</p>
<p>I think of a public option where the public dime pays/subsidizes a lot of people as a serious compromise which doesn’t directly assault the huge per/person cost the industry is putting on Americans. Twice what other countries charge is insane! 18% of GDP instead of Canada’s 11% is insane!</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/19/will-kay-hagan-betray-ted-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-28645</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 05:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rick: I came here for the political activism.&lt;br /&gt;
Cop: What political activism?&lt;br /&gt;
Rick: I was mis-informed.&lt;br /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rick: I came here for the political activism.<br />
Cop: What political activism?<br />
Rick: I was mis-informed.<br />
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/19/will-kay-hagan-betray-ted-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-28638</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:44:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;*I meant the public option when I said “don’t want have to vote on single payer.” Single payer is still my dream, but good god, we at least need an option.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*I meant the public option when I said “don’t want have to vote on single payer.” Single payer is still my dream, but good god, we at least need an option.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/19/will-kay-hagan-betray-ted-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-28637</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank god the Democrats in NC didn’t let the queer win the NC primary! He may have actually voted for single payer! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;/snark off&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I generally can’t stand the new “Ed” show on MSNBC, but I do think he’s onto something when he suggests that maybe, just maybe, the Democrats don’t want to have to vote on single payer… and actually make a tough, important vote on reform. Accountability? Eh-gad. We better let the flawed, getting-worse-by-the-day status quo stay alive…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank god the Democrats in NC didn’t let the queer win the NC primary! He may have actually voted for single payer! </p>
<p>/snark off</p>
<p>I generally can’t stand the new “Ed” show on MSNBC, but I do think he’s onto something when he suggests that maybe, just maybe, the Democrats don’t want to have to vote on single payer… and actually make a tough, important vote on reform. Accountability? Eh-gad. We better let the flawed, getting-worse-by-the-day status quo stay alive…</p>
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		<title>By: tk1200</title>
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		<dc:creator>tk1200</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I will say it again. All the healthy people need to drop private health insurance ASAP. we need to form a self-insurance plan and assess ourselves $50 or $100 per month, whatever it takes, and let the private system collapse. We can try contracting with Canada for routine surgery and even some specialized surgeries like a knee reconstruction, for example, or we can buy stop gap insurance and then the fund will cover in whole or in part the initial exposure for those who burn through their self-pay.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is bound to be one or more accountants and/ or actuaries out there who could tell us how much the monthly assessment per person should be based on claims experience and how to manage the funds, invest them and pay them out to third parties. These gutless fuckers will never enact a meaningful public health option, and hell will freeze over before they commit to a universal health plan. We need to do it ourselves. We need those who are sick and/or in poor health to stay on their current private insurance plan and we need the healthy subscribers to bolt. It will take 6 to 12 months for the private health insurance system to fail, which is the goal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you think that Blanche Lincoln or Kay Hagan or Evan Bayh or any other of these spineless fucks are ever going to stand up for you and your family and your right to affordable high-quality health care, you will be sorely disappointed. We need to bring the whole system crashing down on itself.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will say it again. All the healthy people need to drop private health insurance ASAP. we need to form a self-insurance plan and assess ourselves $50 or $100 per month, whatever it takes, and let the private system collapse. We can try contracting with Canada for routine surgery and even some specialized surgeries like a knee reconstruction, for example, or we can buy stop gap insurance and then the fund will cover in whole or in part the initial exposure for those who burn through their self-pay.</p>
<p>There is bound to be one or more accountants and/ or actuaries out there who could tell us how much the monthly assessment per person should be based on claims experience and how to manage the funds, invest them and pay them out to third parties. These gutless fuckers will never enact a meaningful public health option, and hell will freeze over before they commit to a universal health plan. We need to do it ourselves. We need those who are sick and/or in poor health to stay on their current private insurance plan and we need the healthy subscribers to bolt. It will take 6 to 12 months for the private health insurance system to fail, which is the goal.</p>
<p>If you think that Blanche Lincoln or Kay Hagan or Evan Bayh or any other of these spineless fucks are ever going to stand up for you and your family and your right to affordable high-quality health care, you will be sorely disappointed. We need to bring the whole system crashing down on itself.</p>
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		<title>By: JudyStiller</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/19/will-kay-hagan-betray-ted-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-28601</link>
		<dc:creator>JudyStiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;However you want to do it. I think we need to shut the whole USA down!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“There comes a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart that you can’t take part! You can’t even passively take part! And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus — and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it — that unless you’re free the machine will be prevented from working at all!”      — Mario Savio&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However you want to do it. I think we need to shut the whole USA down!</p>
<p>“There comes a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart that you can’t take part! You can’t even passively take part! And you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus — and you’ve got to make it stop! And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, to the people who own it — that unless you’re free the machine will be prevented from working at all!”      — Mario Savio</p>
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		<title>By: TarheelDem</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/19/will-kay-hagan-betray-ted-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-28598</link>
		<dc:creator>TarheelDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Should you take the day off as sick leave?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should you take the day off as sick leave?</p>
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		<title>By: JudyStiller</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/19/will-kay-hagan-betray-ted-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-28597</link>
		<dc:creator>JudyStiller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Be sure to attend the Great American Sickout Rally in Washington on June 25. If you can’t go, take the day off from work and picket your Senator’s office if they haven’t co-sponsored HR 676. Start wearing blue bandannas and armbands. Tie blue ribbons around everything. Solidarity!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be sure to attend the Great American Sickout Rally in Washington on June 25. If you can’t go, take the day off from work and picket your Senator’s office if they haven’t co-sponsored HR 676. Start wearing blue bandannas and armbands. Tie blue ribbons around everything. Solidarity!</p>
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		<title>By: TarheelDem</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/19/will-kay-hagan-betray-ted-kennedy/comment-page-1/#comment-28596</link>
		<dc:creator>TarheelDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There are a bunch of folks working the phones and e-mailing to their networks asking them to phone her who hope they are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But we will see.  We will see.  Any national exposure of her waffling will help. (I’d like to see Big Eddie call her out on the fact that she doesn’t know what markup is about.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It would also help if there were some national exposure of (1) what single-payer means in a practical sense, (2) what the options for public option mean in a practical sense (3) what we are talking about when we say “strong public option”, (4) what the other bafflegab (coops, exchanges, …) mean.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And someone needs to be digging into the 852-page House Bill bigtime.  The public option language there is very loosy goosy and depends on private contractors (read, insurance companies as in Medicare and Medicaid administration) to administer the public option.  I see some conflicts of interest appearing here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are a bunch of folks working the phones and e-mailing to their networks asking them to phone her who hope they are.</p>
<p>But we will see.  We will see.  Any national exposure of her waffling will help. (I’d like to see Big Eddie call her out on the fact that she doesn’t know what markup is about.)</p>
<p>It would also help if there were some national exposure of (1) what single-payer means in a practical sense, (2) what the options for public option mean in a practical sense (3) what we are talking about when we say “strong public option”, (4) what the other bafflegab (coops, exchanges, …) mean.</p>
<p>And someone needs to be digging into the 852-page House Bill bigtime.  The public option language there is very loosy goosy and depends on private contractors (read, insurance companies as in Medicare and Medicaid administration) to administer the public option.  I see some conflicts of interest appearing here.</p>
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