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	<title>Comments on: McGovern Recovers From #rahmflu, Back to &#8220;No&#8221; &#8212; Sorry, Rahm</title>
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		<title>By: wagonjak</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/16/mcgovern-recovers-from-rahmflu-back-to-no-sorry-rahm/#comment-27951</link>
		<dc:creator>wagonjak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 17:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just got off the phone with my Northern CA Rep., &lt;strong&gt;Mike Thompson&lt;/strong&gt;, and asked his office to vote no on the supplemental…the person answering the phone didn’t really know his position. I’m calling other friends up here to call and put pressure on him too…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this great work Jane and others at FDL! Keep up the excellent work!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got off the phone with my Northern CA Rep., <strong>Mike Thompson</strong>, and asked his office to vote no on the supplemental…the person answering the phone didn’t really know his position. I’m calling other friends up here to call and put pressure on him too…</p>
<p>Thanks for this great work Jane and others at FDL! Keep up the excellent work!</p>
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		<title>By: zapkitty</title>
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		<dc:creator>zapkitty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Because in the Beltway delusion the last thing Rahm Emanuel can acknowledge is that a bunch of pajamas-clad cheetos-munching cpu-potatoes got the better of him. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The fact that in real life he’s pissing off a majority of the Democratic and Independent constituencies and no few Republicans as well is… meaningless to him.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Be grateful he’s not allowed access to the launch codes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because in the Beltway delusion the last thing Rahm Emanuel can acknowledge is that a bunch of pajamas-clad cheetos-munching cpu-potatoes got the better of him. </p>
<p>The fact that in real life he’s pissing off a majority of the Democratic and Independent constituencies and no few Republicans as well is… meaningless to him.</p>
<p>Be grateful he’s not allowed access to the launch codes.</p>
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		<title>By: redfish</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/16/mcgovern-recovers-from-rahmflu-back-to-no-sorry-rahm/#comment-27859</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Rahm is right on the money on this one, he is doing what his president asks and expects him to do. He is the best I have ever seen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rahm is right on the money on this one, he is doing what his president asks and expects him to do. He is the best I have ever seen.</p>
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		<title>By: redfish</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/16/mcgovern-recovers-from-rahmflu-back-to-no-sorry-rahm/#comment-27857</link>
		<dc:creator>redfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thank you FD for motivating me to call my congressperson and many others which I did. I would never have done this had I not spent the last week here reading these posts. As a loyal Barack Obama supporter, progressive, liberal and pragmatist who relishes being in power - I reject the extreme fringe left-wing ideology that is represented here who are a bigger threat than reactionary GOP’ers in my opinion. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I took the time on every call to explain why I thought the member should vote for the supplemental. Why the perception of not supporting the troops would be political suicide and set the Liberal movement back years. Thank God for Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you FD for motivating me to call my congressperson and many others which I did. I would never have done this had I not spent the last week here reading these posts. As a loyal Barack Obama supporter, progressive, liberal and pragmatist who relishes being in power &#8211; I reject the extreme fringe left-wing ideology that is represented here who are a bigger threat than reactionary GOP’ers in my opinion. </p>
<p>I took the time on every call to explain why I thought the member should vote for the supplemental. Why the perception of not supporting the troops would be political suicide and set the Liberal movement back years. Thank God for Barack Obama and Rahm Emanuel.</p>
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		<title>By: Twisted Martini</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/16/mcgovern-recovers-from-rahmflu-back-to-no-sorry-rahm/#comment-27849</link>
		<dc:creator>Twisted Martini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thought Rahm was supposed to be this super strategist, why is he so tone deaf on the optics of this?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Rahm was supposed to be this super strategist, why is he so tone deaf on the optics of this?</p>
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		<title>By: rxbusa</title>
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		<dc:creator>rxbusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I called all the California ones listed.  Farr and Thompson had rude interns who hung up on me when they found out I was not from their district.  I did explain that I was calling reps from from No. Cal who were undecided and calling because of the dire need of the state of Calif over the IMF.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called all the California ones listed.  Farr and Thompson had rude interns who hung up on me when they found out I was not from their district.  I did explain that I was calling reps from from No. Cal who were undecided and calling because of the dire need of the state of Calif over the IMF.</p>
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		<title>By: oldpro</title>
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		<dc:creator>oldpro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good job this morning, Jane, on Washington Journal…with one major (to me) glitch.  In your rush to agree with the Republican caller re “Democrats not criticizing their own President,” you inadvertently validated his outrageous lie that Democrats did not object to the Vietnam War until 1969 when Nixon, a Republican, became president.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If nothing else, you should have called him on that outrageous revisionism.  For some of us, the ‘68 Democratic primary wars, the Chicago convention, the McGovern/Kennedy/Humphrey primary battles and the driving of our Democratic President Johnson from office - by Democrats, not Republicans - are a reality we lived through…not a few pages in a high school history book.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, of course, Democratic President Bill (and Hillary) Clinton took nearly as much hostility and criticism from Democrats as they ever did from Republicans.  You may remember that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job this morning, Jane, on Washington Journal…with one major (to me) glitch.  In your rush to agree with the Republican caller re “Democrats not criticizing their own President,” you inadvertently validated his outrageous lie that Democrats did not object to the Vietnam War until 1969 when Nixon, a Republican, became president.</p>
<p>If nothing else, you should have called him on that outrageous revisionism.  For some of us, the ‘68 Democratic primary wars, the Chicago convention, the McGovern/Kennedy/Humphrey primary battles and the driving of our Democratic President Johnson from office &#8211; by Democrats, not Republicans &#8211; are a reality we lived through…not a few pages in a high school history book.</p>
<p>And, of course, Democratic President Bill (and Hillary) Clinton took nearly as much hostility and criticism from Democrats as they ever did from Republicans.  You may remember that.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/16/mcgovern-recovers-from-rahmflu-back-to-no-sorry-rahm/#comment-27842</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:27:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;from david via jane’s update:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;McGovern favors ending the wars in the way wars are ended, by ceasing to fund them. But he also has a bill that reads in its entirety:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Not later than December 31, 2009, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to Congress a report outlining the United States exit strategy for United States military forces in Afghanistan participating in Operation Enduring Freedom.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And we have already heard of at least one Congress member using cosponsorship of that bill as an excuse for voting Yes on the war supplemental.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Moveon.org and other large organizations let it be known on Monday that they planned to encourage their members on Tuesday to urge Congress members to sign onto McGovern’s bill — without saying one word about the war supplemental expected to be voted on that same day.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The exit strategy to satisfy McGovern’s well-intended bill could consist of a plan to redeploy troops to Iran in 2015. It could be anything. And MoveOn’s timing, together with other organizations in the Win Without War coalition, was telling. Because many members of these groups oppose the war and have complained about their organizations’ silence on the supplemental vote, the organizations’ leaders chose the moment of the war vote to propose something else that might at least look like a halfway step. In reality, however, it may turn out to be counterproductive — a development that would please Pelosi and Emanuel.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;these developments have helped me understand better what happened with the 2007 war supplemental.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/22/ladies-start-your-engines/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://firedoglake.com/2007/03.....r-engines/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from david via jane’s update:</p>
<blockquote><p>McGovern favors ending the wars in the way wars are ended, by ceasing to fund them. But he also has a bill that reads in its entirety:</p>
<p>“Not later than December 31, 2009, the Secretary of Defense shall submit to Congress a report outlining the United States exit strategy for United States military forces in Afghanistan participating in Operation Enduring Freedom.”</p>
<p>And we have already heard of at least one Congress member using cosponsorship of that bill as an excuse for voting Yes on the war supplemental.</p>
<p>Moveon.org and other large organizations let it be known on Monday that they planned to encourage their members on Tuesday to urge Congress members to sign onto McGovern’s bill — without saying one word about the war supplemental expected to be voted on that same day.</p>
<p>The exit strategy to satisfy McGovern’s well-intended bill could consist of a plan to redeploy troops to Iran in 2015. It could be anything. And MoveOn’s timing, together with other organizations in the Win Without War coalition, was telling. Because many members of these groups oppose the war and have complained about their organizations’ silence on the supplemental vote, the organizations’ leaders chose the moment of the war vote to propose something else that might at least look like a halfway step. In reality, however, it may turn out to be counterproductive — a development that would please Pelosi and Emanuel.</p>
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<p>these developments have helped me understand better what happened with the 2007 war supplemental.</p>
<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2007/03/22/ladies-start-your-engines/" rel="nofollow">http://firedoglake.com/2007/03&#8230;..r-engines/</a></p>
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		<title>By: ThatGuy</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/16/mcgovern-recovers-from-rahmflu-back-to-no-sorry-rahm/#comment-27841</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I called Lofgren’s office again, despite the early hour. Staffers STILL will not say how she plans to vote, but I am fully convinced that’s because they know she will vote yes, and thus, piss off a lot of her constituents. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks Jane, for exposing her as a fraud.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I called Lofgren’s office again, despite the early hour. Staffers STILL will not say how she plans to vote, but I am fully convinced that’s because they know she will vote yes, and thus, piss off a lot of her constituents. </p>
<p>Thanks Jane, for exposing her as a fraud.</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 14:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Won’t it be wonderful, Jane, if this is the start of a real end the war strategy, voice, coalition.   Good on you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Won’t it be wonderful, Jane, if this is the start of a real end the war strategy, voice, coalition.   Good on you.</p>
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