We have no choice. This is not about a failure of this House of Representatives; it’s about what we cannot get past the next body and onto the President’s desk. … I just want you to know why I would be voting ‘‘no’’ on the spending without constraints. We owe our troops more than sending them into war on a false premise, without the equipment and training they need, without a plan for success, without a strategy to leave. This war has not made the region more stable, it has not made our country safer. It has undermined our capability to protect the American people. It should come to an end safely, honorably, responsibly, and soon.

–Nancy Pelosi, June 19, 2008 (when Bush was president)

Good catch.

It’s awful when Rs sound more reasonable than Ds by asking for open process.

Kucinich up

im all ears

Amazing how all the process arguments as to why we can’t do health care as part of the budget suddenly dry up when we bail out the European banks as part of the defense supplemental.

i have a modest proposal

http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5795

Its sad that my Rep here in Portland will vote yes, but my hometown of Toledo, Marcy Kaptur, is more liberal and will vote no.

what did Dennis say?

maybe I’m a little spun . . . .but I have read Jane’s 50 Republicans To Vote Yes post a few times now – and I can’t figure out what’s in it for them – can someone help me out here ?

50 is a ton – surely it can’t be just the assurances on Venezuela and Burma

imo,they are just ANTI democratic..simple as that

Mike Arcuri (D-NY) says this will be the last supplemental. Maybe this time it will be true.

Better that the LAST one was the last supplemental.

must run, document the atrocities

The last one was just the first last supplemental. This one is going to be the last last supplemental.

Honest.

Or at least the last until the next last one…

i thought the 2007 supplemental with the first last one?

http://firedoglake.com/2007/03…..r-engines/

Maybe they’re afraid of the “abandoning the troops” charge coming back to bite them in the ass.

listening to dreier makes my head hurt. need more advil.

They’re bloody war junkies. “Hey kid, the first one’s free!”

Is this on Cspan? Is it too late to be calling people?

‘k fine. but the billions for european bank bailouts will prove even more toxic given the political landscape and mood by next november

maybe ’cause now it looks like it wont pass without their votes, they suddenly have to worry about that one

no. not too late

Jane is saying “Call, Call, Call”

Cspan – yes

and keep calling – they have not voted yet … and then call after they vote with thanks or complaints.

We are so close on this one … keep pushing!

Trying to figure out what’s going on…hang in there…

I never thought I’d agree with Dreier on anything, but he’s right — Cash for Clunkers does not belong in this bill. It needs to be a standalone bill and it needs to be stronger than it currently stands. The House already approved the original bill and that’s the one that should move forward by itself.

what we were just watching was, i think, only the debate on the rule (H. Res. 545) for the supplemental (H.R. 2346).

the roll call vote on the rule was postponed – probably for later today. only after that will be the debate and vote on the supplemental itself.

…. pretty sure on this but will go check….

yup. here it is from the floor summary:

3:23 P.M. -

Considered as privileged matter.

H. Res. 545:

providing for consideration of the conference report to accompany the bill ( H.R. 2346) making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2009, and for other purposes

POSTPONED PROCEEDINGS – At the conclusion of debate on H.Res. 545, the Chair put the question on adoption of H.Res. 545 and announced the ayes had prevailed. Mr. Dreier demanded the yeas and nays and the Chair postponed further proceedings on adoption of H.Res. 545 until later in the legislative day.

Perhaps they fear the simpler charge of “abandonment” more than the complex charge of funding the IMF. Many of their supporters lack, shall we say, an appreciation of subtleties and can be baffled with bullshit (since brilliance is out of the question).

Unfortunately most congresscritters are in gerrymandered districts and have little to fear from either the other party or primary opponents.

Remember the FU’s? The Friedman Units? This is the monetary equivalent.

Thanks, Selise. Much appreciated.

and here’s the rule: H. RES. 545

Providing for consideration of the conference report to accompany the bill (H.R. 2346) making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2009, and for other purposes.

Resolved, That upon adoption of this resolution it shall be in order to consider the conference report to accompany the bill (H.R. 2346) making supplemental appropriations for the fiscal year ending September 30, 2009, and for other purposes. All points of order against the conference report and against its consideration are waived. The conference report shall be considered as read.

Sec. 2. The Chair may postpone further consideration of the conference report to such time as may be designated by the Speaker.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/…..H.RES.545:

no debate?

edit to add: also checked the house rules committee for the rule (same info):

http://www.rules.house.gov/Spe…..ewsID=4303

I thought Obey just said the debate would be later today?

While they hold off the roll call, we have a perfect time to hit the phones and call more!

my pleasure. just putting to use some bits learned during the fisa fight

one possibility is that they are grouping some roll call votes together for the convenience of congressmembers.

another possibility is that they are still whipping votes.

whatever the reason, can’t hurt to make a few more calls.