House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) on Tuesday expressed doubt that Democratic leaders have the votes to pass the $105.9 billion war supplemental.
“I think we have the votes. Confident might overstate it,” Hoyer said at his weekly press conference. The supplemental spending bill is scheduled for debate Tuesday and will be voted on later Tuesday or Wednesday, he said.
We asked Democrats in Congress to put up this fight for years. They never did. This is the biggest fight we’ve ever seen in Congress over funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and it’s notable that the whipping came from without (citizen phone calls) rather than from within.
The fact that enough of this anti/responsible war coalition is still hanging together in opposition to put the supplemental in jeopardy is largely the result of outside work — netroots work, to be specific — led by Firedoglake and the use of their Citizen Whip Count Tool. It’s a great accomplishment in itself, and it’s something I think we can replicate in the future. But I also think it tells us something about the current state of the Progressive Caucus in the House and how it currently sees itself.
I understand plans are underway for a program that has as its goal the strengthening of the Progressive Caucus as a voting bloc and as an institution. I’m encouraged by the prospect, and hope that coupled with the outside pressure the netroots can bring to bear, that we’ll see some measurable progress in the near future. The most disturbing thing to me about this vote has not, in fact, been the substance. It was the fact that so many Democrats who’d staked out clear positions turned out to be so "gettable" in the end.
Things change. Votes change. I understand that. And Members absolutely must have the flexibility to change when necessary. It’s easy enough to argue that this is one of those times when it’s necessary. But please don’t do it without giving any thought to what it means when 2/3 of the Democrats who put pens to paper on positions like this walk away so quickly rather than "embarrass the President." I’m sure he appreciates the support, but there are some other people being embarrassed a little bit here, too.
No matter what happens, we’ve learned a ton. And we’ve put up the fight we always asked for. Thanks to everyone who has participated — you are utterly and completely inspirational.





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immediately wondered if moving it to wednesday meant they thought they’d get some mileage out of their desperate ‘Republicans will get what they want out of it’! gambit.
Jane Hamsher – sincere thanks for what has turned out to be a post grad real-time class in sausage making – something we’ve been told for years we wouldn’t really like – I have loved it
jane this is awesome. I’ve linked to you twice in the past fifteen minutes.
you, ms. hamsher, have guts and brass. keep it up!
I have what is a naive question- but has to do with way vote might proceed- called in alphabetical order? Is it likely that there might be “tactical” (ha!) voting- those on the list not stating or leaning like Schakowsky, waiting to see how the votes go down before theirs is called and then choosing accordingly for cover? Not that I would have any predictions as to what “accordingly” would mean.
Anyone know who is working on this? My Rep is Co Chair Woolsey. I mention the Progressive Caucus every time I call. Hope it’s made a difference!
Oh indeed, reluctance to “embarrass the President” is an overriding concern.
The spent blood of tens of thosands of innocents killed in your pointless war does not matter an iota.
Valley Girl !
They already ‘embarrassed the president” on the Guantanamo funding — why not here?
It’s a great accomplishment in itself, and it’s something I think we can replicate in the future
Important
Hi Petro-
Jane’s work on this has been totally inspirational.
…”you are utterly and completely inspirational.”
Right back atchya, Jane! Cannot thank you enough for your grit and determination. If only most the Dems had your balls.
Haven’t seen you in ages … how’ve you been ?
And yes, Ms Hamsher has been a Beacon in the Fog !
I’ve had some serious problems with much of the Liberal blogosphere recently, but this has been cool. This would fall under the FDR “Make me do it” mantra, and the people are leading on this issue.
Hopefully we’re all learning as we go forward and tackle all the issues that’ll be coming up soon. Rock on.
Thank you so much, Jane for all the good work!! I’ve said this before, but it needs to be said again:
“You are one amazing woman and a true inspiration as well as a beacon of hope for all of us in the Progressive community!!”
Soooooo … instead of working of what the voters want they are REDUCED to claiming to be left with only the opportunity to keep the Republicans from getting what they want? WTF? Our President embarrasses himself, thank you very much.
Go Progressives!
Go Beyoutiful Jane!
Damn straight, Bonkers … the Progressive Caucus has to strengthen and be an institution to fight for the values their electorate believe in.
I want to repeat Jane’s comment from earlier … “If Obama will make calls for this, surely he’ll do so for healthcare.”
Any chance you can bump into Iggy and tell him to Vote Harpuh out of Office ?
Jane appearance on CSPAN being replayed NOW!!
Cindy Sheehan being interviewed on my radio station. Says the continued funding isn’t about any one person, it’s the system. Reminds us once again that Eisenhower’s speech originally said “military-industrial-congressional complex.” The war profiteers, their lobbyists and the congressmorons get rich while millions die and millions become refugees.
For those not able to catch the CSPAN rerun, The Video Clip is here
Why is it that Progressives are the one to be beaten into line. I remember and correct me if am wrong, when the universally loathed TARP was a “must pass”, the progressives tried attaching the “cramdown” but Obama said that he would rather a separate bill which he would suppose. Heck even Donna Edwards was cajoled into supporting the bailout. When cramdown came, Obama didnt lift a finger. Really, havent been progressives been screwed enough? Perhaps they should attach “cramdown” to the Supplemental!
And Good work Jane ..
For those of us independents that would prefer a green party candidate, the progressive caucus is a good start to systematically end 2 party rule. 10% of congress does not appear corrupt. That is a miserable excuse for a government, and the need for change is evident. The Greens aren’t likely to have a real vote, but if we have someone that votes for us, we will assist.
just spoke with jerry nadler’s washington director, john doty, who told me that nadler is supporting it reluctantly. i followed up with an email blast to pda members in his district. one wrote back to me with the following:
“I just heard from his NYC Manhattan office that his press secretary said he hasn’t decided. His DC office said the same thing yesterday and today (but not reportedly from his press sec’ty).”
they may be just blowing smoke or it may be true. i saw keep up the calls and see if he is movable.
Have Nadler’s number handy?
Rep. Jerrold Nadler
Tel. 202-225-5635
Hoyer or one of his aides must be reading FDL every day and just kicking themselves. (I hope.)
Okay, I got a response via email to my naive question from someone who absolutely knows his stuff- thus:
~~absolutely; it happens all the time. Worse yet, they change votes after!~~
What a narcissistic comment. You actually think that members of Congress pay attention to this? Surely you must be kidding. I thought the Constitution clearly called for members of Congress to represent the views of their constituents. I must have missed the part about representing the views of extremists bloggers who have an agenda.
Keep up the noble effort President Obama, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi et al. You have the support of millions of “loyal progressives” that aren’t interested in participating in a circular firing squad.
candidates Obama and Clinton waited through a roll call, waiting to see the odds of passage before either of them voted on some major (war funding) Senate bill last year
cbl2- oh yeah, I remember that Senate vote well (at least the gist of it)- just wasn’t sure if same applied in House, and also more generally- b/c Obama and Clinton were candidates at the time- but didn’t know if that was an exceptional circumstance. irrc, Clinton voted first, then Obama.
thanks for that, forgot it when i did the cut and paste.
Seconded!
Really great seeing you back here, VG … drop by Late Nite if you can.
I doubt MSNBC will allow it, but we desperately need Olbermann and Maddow to both hit this very hard tonite,
laundering 150 billion to the superrichthe IMF loan and fundingVietnamAfghanistan.