Comments on: Supplemental Whip Count Update: 32 “No,” 15 “Leaning No” — We Need 39

By: Jane Hamsher

Jane Hamsher — Sat, 13 Jun 2009 01:09:44 +0000

The Republicans are all voting against the bill themselves.

By: redfish

redfish — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:30:30 +0000

Kitt I am not going to play your Sean Hannity game. You know, the one where you can’t compete on the field of factual intellectual discourse — so you integrate a red herring into the dialogue.

Speaking of facts, according to a recent CNN poll 62% of all Democrats and Liberals are against releasing the photos.

And as to defining fringe extremists; a pool of so called progressives that consistently are willing to embarrass Barack Obama and are willing to contribute to the possibility of a weakened one-term President. I would call fringe extremists.

By: Kitt

Kitt — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 23:16:53 +0000

I am ashamed of what the fringe extreme of the progressive movement has become.

Why? You’re not a part of it, and I doubt that you ever were. Also, you keep mentioning these “millions of Democrats” who agree with you. Well, guess what, the “fringe” that you falsely speak of is represented by millions of American citizens. That ain’t no “fringe”, and it ain’t “extreme” either. At what point in your political thinking did you decide that caring about the Constitution is “fringe”?

By: redfish

redfish — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:28:25 +0000

What newtonusr is saying is censor me and don’t exchange ideas with someone that doesn’t agree with you on every single issue. It is no wonder some in “MY” party have been accused of being elitist, intolerant and close-minded. You are just as much a kook-aid drinker as a Sarah Palin supporter. Blind. close minded and dismissive of any Liberal who dares challenge you on the issues.

How cowardly. I am ashamed of what the fringe extreme of the progressive movement has become.

By: newtonusr

newtonusr — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:23:56 +0000

elbows do not work when no honest discourse is possible
only oxygen deprivation will do the trick

starve the vortex
she is not worth your time

By: redfish

redfish — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:22:52 +0000

And yes - I am a liberal Democrat. An yes I think the Iraq war was a criminal atrocity. And yes I think that Bush-Cheney and their neo con handlers have done incredible damage to this country and were responsible for uncountable death and suffering.

And no, supporting Barack Obama in Afghanistan is not at all inconsistent with the above and there are tens of millions of Democrats that think so.

By: redfish

redfish — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:19:40 +0000

That sure sounds like a plan to me.

By: redfish

redfish — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:19:05 +0000

“This increase is necessary to stabilize a deteriorating situation in Afghanistan, which has not received the strategic attention, direction and resources it urgently requires.”

Barack Obama

“The Taliban is resurgent in Afghanistan, and al Qaeda supports the insurgency and threatens America from its safe haven along the Pakistani border.“

Barack Obama

“All 17,000 troops will go to the southern region of the country where Afghanistan borders Pakistan, with the goal mainly being to stop the flow of foreign fighters. The troops will also train Afghan army units. The military operations will set up a string of bases and smaller combat outposts, allowing the troops to move around and engage in counter terrorism against foreign fighters and counterinsurgency operations against the Taliban and other local enemies. The goal is to have enough troops to “seize and hold” territory and maintain basic security, which hasn’t been possible under current troop levels. The Taliban continues to maintain at least half a dozen safe areas inside Afghanistan, which are prime targets for the U.S. military.”

Barack Obama

By: redfish

redfish — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:13:30 +0000

I was never in the military.

By: BooRadley

BooRadley — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:11:19 +0000

What branch of the military were you in?