Robert Greenwald has been a committed antiwar activist since the war in Iraq began. He was on Ed Schultz last night talking about his film "Rethink Afghanistan."
Robert Greenwald on Ed Schultz: “Rethink Afghanistan”By: Jane Hamsher Friday June 12, 2009 1:08 pm |
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morning Jane, thanks.
Obama’s first major foreign policy move was to take the U.S. war against Islam to a third country, creating another million or two refugees in the process.
Way to go, O.
To suggest that the United States is not putting billions of taxpayer dollars into non-military aid in Afghanistan is just not true. This is what Barack Obama is doing. Yet if you watch this clip you would think all we are doing is killing civilians. It’s distorted film making, it is not balanced. He talks about killing civilians (although he does say inadvertently to his credit) without mentioning that they were accidental deaths that occurred in the pursuit of Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders who routinely hide among civilians. He uses horrific images of crying kids and selective statements by a few to highlight his political cause — without the context. Where are the pictures of the thousands that the Taliban murder? Where is the mention of the brave soldiers who are giving their lives trying to bring stability to a place that is dangerous to the United States and the world?
“The USAID programs in Afghanistan estimated to be $2 billion in FY 2009, supports the President’s new counterinsurgency strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan. Activities will focus on increasing the effectiveness of the delivery services to the Afghan people by the Afghan government and reducing the numbers of potential insurgents through economic growth and job creation. Frej will also oversee continued efforts in the social sector, including health and education programs that provide tangible evidence of government service delivery”.
USAID.gov
Also, what this extremely one-sided view does not mention is that infrastructure and development projects are not viable when the Taliban is intimidating, arresting and killing workers. Greenwald even said his guide was arrested by the Taliban. The reason US troops are there is to try and bring some stability to the area so infrastructure development and aid can actually be put to use.
This is what Barack Obama has said clearly, it is a sound policy in an area with no easy answers.
Obama is using our military for a primarily domestic internal conflict in Afghanistan. We have no business bombing the villages and citizens of that country. The US military actions there are simply immoral.
I haven’t made up my mind yet, whether you’re a well-paid Rahm troll made to appear naive, or someone who is just really uninformed.
At some point even you have to do a cost-benefit analysis. Boots on the ground cost TRILLIONS. Do you want to borrow from China, to feed our troops in a classic nation-building effort?
AFAIK, the real reason we’re in Iraq and Afghanistan, is because Bush blew up the Sunni counterweight to Shia Iran, nothing more. It makes a lot more sense for America to divert the dollars going to MIRC and invest in US solutions to ending the $600billion a YEAR we export for foreign oil. That makes the dollar stronger and takes the funding out of the middle east to wage war.
You have made comments that you consider yourself a liberal Democrat. On what issues do you consider yourself a “liberal?”
Quite an astounding and patently false statement. How can you say it is a domestic conflict when 9-11 was staged by Al Qaeda terrorists who were living, training and planning in Afghanistan while they were given safe harbor and support by the ruling Taliban?
We do not bomb villages and civilians, we target Taliban and Al Qaeda leaders who hide among villagers. To call the US involvement in Afghanistan immoral is wrong. I assure you this is not a political, Democrat versus Republican issue. There are countless Democrats that understand, with reluctance why we are in Afghanistan and support President Obama’s policy.
LMAO,
When do you want to invade Pakistan?
Most of the 9/11 hi-jackers were from Saudi Arabia.
When do we invade the kingdom?
As the Russians learned, Afghanistan is a really bad place to invade.
Building infrastructure in Afghanistan, that’s some funny shit. What expertise does the US military know about building infrastructure in a first world, middle eastern region at elevation? Do they teach that in basic? Can you say “inappropriate technology?”
If we’re so good at building infrastructure, maybe we could start with our cities?
No, I am not a troll. I am a liberal progressive who has become a pragmatist in my old age. I would passionately agree with you I am sure on every single domestic and social issue as well as on Iraq. However I would disagree with you on Afghanistan and the release of the photos. I’m sorry if you can’t countenance an opposing perspective every now and then. That reflects poorly on you not me.
To answer your question I am against the death penalty, pro a woman’s right to choose, a supporter of single payer health option, a strong supporter of gay marriage, immigration reform that is close to amnesty, environmental causes, redirecting government assets away from corporate America and to the working class and the poor, I am very pro-union, shall I go on?
That doesn’t mean I think these issues will not require pragmatic compromise in this moderate country we live in. But that s what I believe.
It is nonsensical to invade based on where someone was born. They lived, trained and were given safe harbor in Pakistan by the Taliban.
correction of typo — in Afghanistan
How do you feel about Islamic terrorists wanting to kill Americans?
You’ve obviously never been to Afghanistan. Calling it a country is more than a stretch. It’s similar in Middle Easter standards to a lot of the land we forced native American tribes to call “reservations.”
I’m interested in what “infrastructure” you think the US military is constructing with my tax dollars.
I want to hear in detail about all these liberal/progressive issues you’re so behind.
That’s rich coming from someone who seems to spend most of the time here opposing his /her own views, claiming to be one thing one moment and then the opposite the next. I suggest you go have your head examined.
I’m waiting for markfromireland and mohammed ibn laith to read the warmonger’s comments.
No one has ever asked me that before.
If you understood the problem, you’d understand most of the true believers are trying to save my soul from damnation. My ancestors in Europe fought on both sides of similar wars. When you decide to leave your massive ignorance behind and educate yourself about centuries of European American imperialism in the middle East, you’ll begin to understand why a lot of the world hates us so much.
Since you’re such an Afghan expert, do you agree with burning their poppy fields? Isn’t that like taking beer out of Milwaukee? Is that supposed make them hate us less?
Even the morons at RedState have figured out that Wall Street and the Corpratists are a much more serious and imminent threat.
excellent interview at george kenney’s electric politics this week that spends some time on usa foreign policy re afghanistan:
Yes.
or maybe just the opposite? every time i mistakenly read one of the comments from this source, i get pissed off and want to do something more.
it’s kinda lame, and i’d prefer to be motivated to action solely by humanitarian impulses, but hey i’m human and aggravation and anger are great energizers for action.
Mornin’. Thanks for that link. I needed something to break up the weekend’s reading. Cindy Sheehan here Wed. I’m pumped.
Spending US cash in Afghanistan is not a compromise, pragmatic or otherwise.
The measure of your committment to the liberal/progressive agenda is how dollars are invested.
Moment of Silence
That airstrike was made possible with your tax dollars and what we could borrow from China. Did it make America safer?
redfish, looking forward to your response.
Seconded.
morning! can’t wait to hear from you about cindy sheehan’s visit. imo, she is a true american hero. a few years ago, when i took the train down to dc for one of the protests against the war, i by accident ended up sitting next to the mother of soldier who was currently deployed in iraq. she was also going to the protest and shared with me some stories about meeting cindy sheehan and what it meant to her to be working with other moms.
I can’t fuckin’ wait.
The story of Ali has haunted me from the first time I heard it. I think about him often – it just pops into my head and sorta startles me. Makes me feel useless.
One of those things one never forgets but rarely thinks about until the memory intrudes.
Peterr’s up
What Kind of Church Accepts George Tiller?
St Pete for Peace was conducting a counter inauguration march on 20 Jan 2005 when an incident in Tal Afar was reported. It was later revealed that the blood covered little girl, the one shown squatting next to a trooper, was sitting between her parents in the front seat, not in the back seat as originally reported. IIRC she was also 9 years old. What are the odds that this little girl will become a next generation resistance fighter?
I told you what my stand is on the issues, if you have a specific question I would be happy to answer it. If not I suggest you not make this about me and discuss the issues – or not.
Would you also care to discuss innocent mothers jumping to their death from the World Trade Center? Or are American lives not important to you.
“The solution to terrorism is not going to be found in bullets. “It’s not going to be found in precision ordnance or targeted strikes. It’s really going to be found in changing the conditions. It’s going to be found in establishing a global safety net that starts with security and goes to economic development and political development and the kinds of modernization which let others enjoy the fruits of modernization that we as Americans enjoy.”
~ Gen. Wesley Clark, October 17, 2001, Annual Lecture sponsored by the Center for the Study of Force and Diplomacy at Temple University.
It is apparent Redfish has not been to Afghanistan.
If you want, I suggest sending in teachers and doctors as teachers, with the US military for training and police actions. If you want to privatize things, give money to KBR and it’s clones for original and re-construction. It would be great training for those groups to learn how the rest of the world lives, at least for a few years.
Greg Mortenson of “Three cups of Tea” showed us the way.
BTW, has anyone noticed that since it came out that we are killing innocent civilians the Pentagon has toned down its use of the phrase, “Smart Bombs” or “Smart Weapons”? Guess they figured out doing the same effed up shit we did in Vietnam still does not float with the public when they kill the innocent.
I think any death is a tragedy. Mankind is imperfect. War sucks.
I am curious though as to what you write and post when Islamic terrorists set off bombs on trains and buses in London killing innocents civilians. And what your reaction was to 9-11? Or the nightclub bombing in Indonesia? Or the many other terrorist attacks where innocent men women and children died?
Looking forward to your response.
And that shows a complete lack of understanding as to the differences between short term and long term solutions. That’s in large part why Wesley Clarke did not resonate with the American people and why you never see him anymore.
You’re equating US troops with hijackers and right wing domestic terrorists (#33).
Yes that is correct I have not been to Afghanistan. So what. Sounds like a Bill O’Reilly question – he asks his guests that all the time. Congrats.
Now you are being plain silly.
Why don’t you answer my question please. Here it is again:
I am curious though as to what you write and post when Islamic terrorists set off bombs on trains and buses in London killing innocents civilians. And what your reaction was to 9-11? Or the nightclub bombing in Indonesia? Or the many other terrorist attacks where innocent men women and children died?
Looking forward to your response.
If you’re curious you can go through the archives.
I already know.
I must emphasize strongly, civilian deaths are horrific and need to be avoided at all costs. The US realize this and they are taking steps to change strategy accordingly. Obama cares very much about the civilian deaths. Things will change.
Unlike you, I have great faith in Barack Obama on every level.
It would really help the dialogue and discourse if those here that love to rail against US policy in Afghanistan would be better informed as to what the military brass and the president say about civilian deaths and what they plan to do about it. Read a little it might do you some good.
I see a a laundry list
Next time, add a few more: publicy funded elections, higher taxes on higher income brackets, preservation of Social Security and Medicare, reintroduction of the draft, paying down the national debt, the separation of powers, …… For “environmental causes,” substitute something like energy independence through sustainable and carbon neutral technologies.”
Your ignorance won’t be quite so obvious.
You can’t be as old as you claim, because then you would know that well-run institutions require investment. Every dollar you pour into MIRC is one dollar not invested in something with a better multiplier.
Since you mentioned innocent mothers dying in the WTC’s, nice wave of the bloody shirt btw, try any native American reservation or urban ghetto. They’re dying there too, just not as quickly. Wounded Knee is better known, but google on Tulsa 1921, the Colfax Massacre, and the Molly Maguires in Pennsylvania for lesser known examples of legalized white supremacy. Those are just a few of the many examples of state sponsored terrorism in the US that went unpunished. That’s the lens through which the ME and the world sees your very expensive Adventures in Afghanistan.
What is all this infrastructure in Afghanistan that my tax dollars are paying for?
You didn’t like the question about the poppy fields.
If you’re so in-love with nation-building, try it locally first.
Bring it on.
Link?
Here’s a newsflash for ya. You don’t know shit about what I think.
Over the last few days you’ve asked me if I was stalking you, labeled me as anti-semitic, stated that you’ve “intellectually humiliated” me over my posting “Do not feed the troll” and inferred that I killed innocents in Viet Nam. I’ve given you way more attention than you deserve.
You are too intellectually dishonest to comment on this. You bring up issues from different time long past and fail to respond to what I said.
Then stop responding to me Mr. O’Reily. Or is your taking things out of context more a Sean Hannity tactic. Tough call there.
Most of us here voted for BO.
No one voted for McSane.
In a two-horse race against MsCane, the blue-dog Democrat was an easy choice.
Obama and the blue dogs are following the money
Blue Dog Melissa Bean helps banks gut bill to limit TARP bonuses.
Obama’s speech in Cairo was outstanding. If you’d go over to emptywheel’s place, you’d see that freepatriot is trying to argue for him in ways you can’t fathom.
Obama’s a pol. He’s going to move where he thinks he needs to get re-elected. That’s actually good news for liberals/progressives. What really unites us is our disdain for dishonest government, for government by croneism. That’s what makes your posts so thoughtless and counterproductive.
Obama’s position, so far, on the unitary executive is a millimeter to the left of Bush/Cheney.
We all want Obama to pivot back towards honest, responsible government. That’s what we’re working towards.
Oh, I’m sorry.
The Shia and the Sunni, how far back does their dispute go?
Mr. Afghanistanredfish, which one are the Taliban, Shia or Sunni?I will be glad to “bring it on”. Unlike you I actually am educated on this issue and have facts at my disposal. You might also do the same.
“Defense Secretary Robert Gates emphasized the imperative of avoiding civilian casualties, calling the deaths one of our greatest strategic vulnerabilities”.
“Robert Scales, a retired Army two-star general who has advised U.S. commanders in Afghanistan, said in an interview Friday that he believes the new US comander in Afghanistan McChrystal will focus mainly on shifting emphasis from killing Taliban and al-Qaida fighters to protecting Afghans from those fighters — and from unintended U.S. bombings”.
“The metric has changed. The metric is no longer how much territory in Afghanistan do we control, but how effective are we in securing the people,” Scales said. “Not how many bad guys do we kill or how many American casualties do we suffer, but how few Afghans are killed — by both the bad guys and by us.”
Some broad elements are already clear. Among them:
“A revamped U.S.-led command structure. Anthony Cordesman, a military analyst at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, believes it will give McChrystal additional authority and more ability to implement the strategy that President Barack Obama announced in late March”.
“More use of civilian experts, including U.S. agricultural specialists, to develop viable alternatives to the illicit poppy-growing business that Washington and its allies say is helping finance the Taliban resistance. Obama promised a “civilian surge” to help the Afghan government build democratic foundations. And he said the U.S. would seek a “new compact” with the government to crack down on corruption.
A “dream team” of U.S. military officers steeped in counterinsurgency and Afghanistan experience and expertise. In a reflection of the heightened priority that the Obama administration is giving Afghanistan, McChrystal was told he could pick any top U.S. assistants he wanted to help him in Kabul. Among them: Navy Rear Adm. Greg Smith, a seasoned public affairs specialist who will oversee a strengthened effort to communicate the allies’ objectives and activities and to counter Taliban messages.
An acceleration of the long, slow process of developing Afghan army and police forces. This will be one of the keys to bolstering the legitimacy of the central government and eventually enabling foreign forces to leave. The current goal of creating 134,000 Afghan forces may be doubled in coming years.
Ok, if I’m “intellectually dishonest,” please show me where.
I’m sorry red, but when it absolutely positively has to be blown-up overnight, you call the US Marines.
You can dress it up anyway you want, but the rest of the world reads it like this:
Reichstag on May 21, 1935:
how so?
Brought to you by the Associated Press, ok redfish, now see what other outlets stenographed that propoganda. I think you can rely on Fox News, the Moonie Times, and the editorial page of the WSJ.
redfish, if you read FDL for the last three years, you would have known the meltdown was coming. Ian Welsh posted about it, and we had book salons about it. One of the most efficient was with Charles R. Morris on his book : THE TRILLION DOLLAR MELTDOWN, EASY MONEY, HIGH ROLLERS AND THE GREAT CREDIT CRASH.
red, when did the AP ever predict the meltdown?
AP printed Cheney’s “we’ll be greeted as liberators,” like it was fact.
By disputing I am a liberal on social issues because I didn’t list every imaginable topic. Why don’t you read and respond to #50 – that’s far more important.
Read #50.
Nothing to do with the AP. They reported factually what was said. Are you disputing any of the quotes?
oh, you are educated by reading that. I thought you meant you had studied it formally, sorry
Now you are showing your true colors, it is inevitable when people like you are confronted by intellect and reason. You compare US actions to the Nazis. That you think you are any different than Michael Savage or Glenn Beck is truly amusing in a perverse way.
You’re not “educated,” if you’re violating “fair use” of an AP article.
Even if you had provided a link back to the site (so the AP (or whomever contracted with them) reaped the rewards of increased traffice,) it’s a violation of the AP’s copyright to quote so much of their piece.
Not only do you not know anything about Afghanistan, your ignorance extends to many other areas as well.
The AP long ago ceased to be a news organization responsible to the “readers right to know.” They sell conservative propoganda to what’s left of the big-city dailies for a very high price.
If you read FDL, you’d already know these things.
That’s OK Elliot. I have done both, I read I think, I study, I reason, I engage in dialogues with people who think like me and those that don’t
Sue me. I quoted statements by Gates and the military. Those are facts. What makes accurate quotes conservative propaganda? Why don’t you address the content of what was said Mr. O’Reilly.
Let’s start with the first one. Then, we’ll move on.
What does this quote mean? Please, explain it to me.
Come on you towering intellectual powerhouses. We were discussing civilian deaths in Afghanistan and I presented some recent factual evidence as to what the Obama administration is thinking and is going to do about that.
Anyone with enough balls to actually address the content of what they said?
Or does that not go along with your hate America, hate the establishment, hate the military agenda?
what is the source for this?
ttp://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090613/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_afghanistan_strategy_analysis
January 13th, 2009
thanks
Unfortunately, that’s not a popular position around here.
As one who agrees with most positions Obama takes, (with FISA, DADT, the Plame case, release of the torture pics excepted) I know.
It’s almost as if stuff on the good side of his ledger gets taken for granted, while things we disagree with get magnified.
No, you’re showing your ignorance, but we’re used to it.
In Deadly Combat
is about a German soldier’s experiences on the Eastern Front and in a Soviet gulag, who was most certainly NEVER a member of the Nazi party. I know you’ll be sorry to learn the book is translated by a former Navy Seal.
The people in Afghanistan are not Europeans and they are not “white.”
They don’t want the U.S. military “educating” them about how to live in Afghanistan.
Internet Tough Guy.
It means that Obama through Gates is explaining that avoiding civilian deaths is important and that he understands why deaths make a strategic victory difficult.
The dialogue between you and I is over. Nothing productive will come from it and I choose not to engage fanatics and traitors who compare the United States to Nazis. I am way too smart to fall for your disingenuous distortions.
You’re welcome Elliot.
Shaking head.
red, buddy, pal, your link doesn’t work.
That’s ok though, I was able to follow the url back to Yahoo.
red, it’s the SAME AP article.
You see a lot of newspapers and web sites, by stuff from AP. AP is just a hair to the left of Fox News.
IIRC, Yahoo gets most of its revenue from porn sites. Because they are trying to go head-to-head with ESPN, sometimes they produce some interesting original content on sports. They buy content from AP.
That is exactly my point. There is a small faction on the left that seems hell bent on damaging Barack Obama when he doesn’t fall in step on every issue. It is a suicidal political strategy, it is narcissistic and it could lead to a weakened Obama and a one-term presidency.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..y_analysis
It’s not difficult, it’s impossible.
It’s a 4G war. That means it’s a battle for hearts and minds, just like Vietnam.
Do you think the investment of 50,000 US lives in Vietnam was a good idea?
red, among other strategic iniatives, we’re in Afghanistan and Iraq to keep the Saudi royal family in power in Saudi Arabia.
OT,
red, you’re ignoring my comment at 49:
red, you wrote this:
To which I replied:
You claim to know stuff about Afghanistan, come on.
You’ve got it backwards.
We only get to vote for President once every four years. The political process doesn’t just stop.
You can consider us “loyal dissent.”
Obama has already said he will support Arlan Specter for re-election in Pennsylvania over a slightly less conservative, less anti-union Dem such as Joe Sestak. Do you agree?
You can’t be pro-union and pro Specter.
You need to re-read #72. The dialogue between you and I is over. This is my last post to you no matter what your response is. Best wishes to you.
Dude needs a dump truck to carry his ego. I like the recurring “traitors” labeling, too, goes right along with the “anti-Semitic” labeling eg spoke to him about the other day.
I have no personal ego invested in this SD. I am right sometimes and I am wrong sometimes. In my opinion, I do think someone who compares the United States to Nazi Germany deserves that moniker to be hung around his neck.
Anyway. I am done with you as well as I am getting sucked into personalizing things. If anyone cares to discuss US policy in Afghanistan I would be happy to. In the absence of that, have a wonderful day.
Thanks, I missed that thread.
Late Thursday afternoon or in the evening. I saw it later on a fly-by during the Rays game.
People in this community are in 100% agreement on very little.
You have no credibility, because you’re not able to speak with any level of detail to the many issues at stake in Afghanistan.
If you are interested in learning about GOP and blue dog talking points, keep reading the Associated Press. That way you can get blindsided by the next asset deflation in 2010 when the $787 billion dollar stimulus runs out.
In Secrets of the Temple, Bill Greider writes about the Volcker years at the Fed (79-87). The similarity of what happened in the financial markets during the St Ronnie of RayGuns years and the last couple years is scary. The Fed’s determination to protect the holders of wealth over thousands of farmers, small businessmen, community banks, etc hasn’t changed one whit.
Unfortunately, there are some similarties. A lot of our inner cities have areas that trend toward the Warsaw ghetto. In return for thousands in capaign contributions, Washington routinely allows Wall Street to privatize BILLIONS in profits. Then Washington socializes Wall Street’s losses on the backs of the taxpayers. I don’t agree with Ron Paul on anything except auditing the FED.
Since the 4th amendment no longer exists as the founders intended it, the way is paved for the loss of habeas corpus. That’s what allowed Hitler to shove people into concentration camps.
We’re not “there” yet, but the institutional similarities are undeniable.
red, I don’t think you and I ever had a “dialogue.”
Some cities have attempted to criminalize homelessness. In St Pete they are continually harassed by the police. City ordinances prohibit panhandling, targeting downtown business areas and other venues frequented by panhandlers. There are ordinances about sleeping on public sidewalks. St Pete has attempted on numerous occasions to criminalize Food Not Bombs feeding the homeless in city parks. Repressive Rethug leadership in the Tampa Bay area and pretty much throughout FL. It’s beginning to change, though. Folks are getting fed up now that the mismanagement of local govts is seeing sunshine due to the economy.
OK, the “show me where” challenge came from BR to redfish over a specific back/forth, but here’s a response to redfish as if he/she/it had made the more general challenge (since he/she/it is accusing others of “intellectual dishonesty”):
redfish @ 41:
Seems pretty intellectually dishonest, unless your faith and intellect are mutually exclusive, or have a really poor intellect (won’t criticize your faith).
Pepe Escobar has had some recent pieces in Asia Times to the effect that the geo-strategic significance of Afghanistan is pipeline routes, which is consistent with the analysis that Obama advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski put forward in 1997 in The Grand Chessboard, Zbig’s blueprint for “American Primacy”.
You just don’t get it do you. An imperfect Barack Obama is far better than the alternative in 2010 and 2012.
What’s “the alternative” in 2010? WTF? You talking his demise and/or regime change/coup? “Far better” would be an improved Obama that we progressives persuade to become more perfect (by electing more/better progressives to Congress), as opposed to simply having “great faith in Barack Obama on every level.”
As for 2012, I can think of a number of better alternatives: Kucinich, Dean, Feingold, Wes Clark (who you already disregarded), or numerous up-n-coming progressives… either thru primary challenge (in a still ruined ecomony, ongoing occupations of Iraqistan, no decent health care reform, etc.) or a successful 3rd party challenge to the collective failure of Rep/Dem administrations.
There’s one of the problems right there
http://www.google.com/search?h…..&aqi=
This is the naive response of the perennial losing far left in this country who just cannot admit this is not ever going to be an extreme left nation. Kucinich, Dean, Feingold, Wes Clark??? Are you completely daft man? You think any of them has an iceberg’s chance in hell of being elected in this country? You see – your post reveals exactly what the problem is. Thanks for making the point for me.
Doesn’t seem like a problem to me – it seems like it backs up everything I have been saying. Obama is committed to change in Afghanistan in a new way.
I’m probably totally and completely obtuse but reading through your posts it seems your justification for our further invasion, occupation and military involvement in Afghanistan is that that’s where there was a safe haven for terrorists? And that these same terrorists want to kill Americans is a justification?
So my questions are:
When do we invade Lockport NY which has been a harbor for terrorists?
Or Lapeer, Michigan?
Or Tyler Texas?
Or …? I could go on.
PS Another thing. You say
Why do you make the distinction “Islamic”?
Do you have any knowledge of the genesis of the Muslim Brotherhood? Or even Brzezinski’s early involvement with the Taliban?
It’s been fun but I have a life
Gotta run
Because at their root of their terrorism lies their interpretation of Islam. Every single one of them is a Muslim. They don’t wear uniforms, they don’t come from one country. Their uniform and their country is Islam. They are self described warriors for Islam. Every one. Is that not relevant?
Perhaps the most inane argument yet. You are postulating that a couple of lone freaks are comparable to Al Qaeda? This is not even worth it. It’s like trying to have a dialogue with a Ron Paul supporter or a 9-11 conspiracy nut.
“You think any of them has an iceberg’s chance in hell”?
Considering the likelihood of the Great Recession and our dual quagmires lingering another 4 years (despite his “Commitment to change…in a new way”(!) and your “great faith in him on every level”), probably a better chance than a black man would have in ‘08.
I’ll tell you what Pokums. You come find me when Dennis Kucinich gets elected President. By the way there is no great recession or dual quagmires – put down the kool-aid cup for a second and hunt around your house for your common sense. I’m sure you’ll find it.
Continuing US war crimes in and imperial occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq by President Obama. Continuing US war crimes in Pakistan by drone/missile murders by President Obama.
And for those of you who wonder why Iranians are a bit paranoid about the US and its intentions, think how we’d feel if the Chinese invaded and occupied Canada and Mexico and then made threatening noises towards us…