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	<title>Comments on: LeadershipWhite House Threatens Freshmen Who Won&#8217;t Vote For Supplemental</title>
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		<title>By: x174</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/12/leadership-threatens-freshmen-who-wont-vote-for-supplemental/#comment-27337</link>
		<dc:creator>x174</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thuggery? sounds very retro. bush-like. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;change you can bereave in&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thuggery? sounds very retro. bush-like. </p>
<p>change you can bereave in</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/12/leadership-threatens-freshmen-who-wont-vote-for-supplemental/#comment-27332</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:00:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;true that.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;to which (D) captured ‘progressives’ always reply “well there isn’t any viable alternative, nyah!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;well to those who see issues of Peace, the Environment, and social justice as more than just wedge issues to use against the Republicans, voting (D) is obviously not viable, either, unless you want things like this on your conscience:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090516/wl_nm/us_afghanistan_civilians&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200....._civilians&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>true that.</p>
<p>to which (D) captured ‘progressives’ always reply “well there isn’t any viable alternative, nyah!”</p>
<p>well to those who see issues of Peace, the Environment, and social justice as more than just wedge issues to use against the Republicans, voting (D) is obviously not viable, either, unless you want things like this on your conscience:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090516/wl_nm/us_afghanistan_civilians" rel="nofollow">http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200&#8230;.._civilians</a></p>
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		<title>By: siggi</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/12/leadership-threatens-freshmen-who-wont-vote-for-supplemental/#comment-27331</link>
		<dc:creator>siggi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This is why we need to have a viable alternative to the mainstream Democrats for supporting candidates.  Those who are not beholden to Rahm and his threats, can vote their consciences without worrying about WH pressures.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is why we need to have a viable alternative to the mainstream Democrats for supporting candidates.  Those who are not beholden to Rahm and his threats, can vote their consciences without worrying about WH pressures.</p>
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		<title>By: openhope</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/12/leadership-threatens-freshmen-who-wont-vote-for-supplemental/#comment-27330</link>
		<dc:creator>openhope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m starting to move beyond depressed at this point. Depression is so passive.&lt;br /&gt;
I’m heading toward outrage at the blatant betrayal.&lt;br /&gt;
Hope in one hand, sh$t in the other, smack your forehead with both. Now that’s “change” we can believe in!! Used to be 2 hands full of s–t.&lt;br /&gt;
I feel bad for the students who paid top dollar to be educated on the Constitution by Prof. Obama. Guess the goods news is that some will get jobs re-organizing the Constitution in the Obama era.&lt;br /&gt;
“Constitution, that’s just a piece of paper”. - G.W.Bush&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m starting to move beyond depressed at this point. Depression is so passive.<br />
I’m heading toward outrage at the blatant betrayal.<br />
Hope in one hand, sh$t in the other, smack your forehead with both. Now that’s “change” we can believe in!! Used to be 2 hands full of s–t.<br />
I feel bad for the students who paid top dollar to be educated on the Constitution by Prof. Obama. Guess the goods news is that some will get jobs re-organizing the Constitution in the Obama era.<br />
“Constitution, that’s just a piece of paper”. &#8211; G.W.Bush</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/12/leadership-threatens-freshmen-who-wont-vote-for-supplemental/#comment-27329</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So the Obama Administration can play hardball.  And is it doing so to help homeowners and other debtors, really fix the banks, get the economy back on track, rollback and investigate Bush abuses?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, it is doing it to continue Bush’s wars.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Anyone still want to call this change we can believe in?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the Obama Administration can play hardball.  And is it doing so to help homeowners and other debtors, really fix the banks, get the economy back on track, rollback and investigate Bush abuses?</p>
<p>No, it is doing it to continue Bush’s wars.</p>
<p>Anyone still want to call this change we can believe in?</p>
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		<title>By: TheLurkingMod</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/12/leadership-threatens-freshmen-who-wont-vote-for-supplemental/#comment-27327</link>
		<dc:creator>TheLurkingMod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:32:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Scarecrow not letting up, upstairs!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5735&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Did Democrats Lie to Us About Only Needing 51 Votes for Health Care Reform?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scarecrow not letting up, upstairs!<br /><a href="http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/5735" rel="nofollow">Did Democrats Lie to Us About Only Needing 51 Votes for Health Care Reform?</a></p>
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		<title>By: jayt</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/12/leadership-threatens-freshmen-who-wont-vote-for-supplemental/#comment-27325</link>
		<dc:creator>jayt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt; He said “Now make me do it.”&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Aye-aye, Mr. President.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but he didn’t specify *who* was to “make (him) do it”, now did he?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so far, the president (reference to whom I’ve now reluctantly moved to lower-case) seems to have rather clearly expressed an antipathy toward Higher Left Blogistan.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> He said “Now make me do it.”</i></p>
<p><i>Aye-aye, Mr. President.</i></p>
<p>but he didn’t specify *who* was to “make (him) do it”, now did he?</p>
<p>so far, the president (reference to whom I’ve now reluctantly moved to lower-case) seems to have rather clearly expressed an antipathy toward Higher Left Blogistan.</p>
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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/12/leadership-threatens-freshmen-who-wont-vote-for-supplemental/#comment-27324</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hope-n-Change!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;like what Philip Zelikow has siad “It‘s just more evidence that this administration is becoming the &lt;strong&gt;greatest bait and switch in history&lt;/strong&gt;. ”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so, what to do? well, in years that are not divisible by two, there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the more principled precincts of the progressive blogosphere, but in years that &lt;em&gt;are&lt;/em&gt; divisible by two, it is all about turning out the base and voting (D) once again, no matter what!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this system works so great, why change a thing?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope-n-Change!</p>
<p>like what Philip Zelikow has siad “It‘s just more evidence that this administration is becoming the <strong>greatest bait and switch in history</strong>. ”</p>
<p>so, what to do? well, in years that are not divisible by two, there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the more principled precincts of the progressive blogosphere, but in years that <em>are</em> divisible by two, it is all about turning out the base and voting (D) once again, no matter what!</p>
<p>this system works so great, why change a thing?</p>
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		<title>By: TarheelDem</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/06/12/leadership-threatens-freshmen-who-wont-vote-for-supplemental/#comment-27322</link>
		<dc:creator>TarheelDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I can’t imagine that Republicans really will join with progressives to stop it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;More than likely, if the progressives provide enough votes to stop it, the Republicans will change course hold their nose on IMF and vote it through.  Then they can complain about IMF later–wasteful spending.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not saying let up on the pressure.  Just saying don’t be surprised.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t imagine that Republicans really will join with progressives to stop it.</p>
<p>More than likely, if the progressives provide enough votes to stop it, the Republicans will change course hold their nose on IMF and vote it through.  Then they can complain about IMF later–wasteful spending.</p>
<p>Not saying let up on the pressure.  Just saying don’t be surprised.</p>
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		<title>By: newtonusr</title>
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		<dc:creator>newtonusr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;All true.&lt;br /&gt;
But I don’t blame him (or Rahm) for having a vision, however blurry.&lt;br /&gt;
If, however they expected/wished/prayed that we would sit on our hands - not. He said “Now make me do it.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aye-aye, Mr. President.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All true.<br />
But I don’t blame him (or Rahm) for having a vision, however blurry.<br />
If, however they expected/wished/prayed that we would sit on our hands &#8211; not. He said “Now make me do it.”</p>
<p>Aye-aye, Mr. President.</p>
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