Comments on: Nine Democrats “Just Say No” to Graham-Lieberman

By: redfish

redfish — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:48:35 +0000

How sad and misguided that a handful of congressional Democrats are willing to side with the most reactionary of right-wing Republicans to try and defeat HR2346. (albeit for different reasons)

The net result will be to prevent Obama from keeping the commitment he made at the G20 in April, namely for the US to guaranty loans to help poor countries weather the economic meltdown. Nice work “faux progressives”. Who cares what the poor need right? After all, they have an agenda to stick to. Releasing photos, humiliating the US and endangering US diplomats and soldiers overseas.

By: redfish

redfish — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:10:25 +0000

sp vis-a-vis

By: redfish

redfish — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 13:09:50 +0000

Please give me an example of a disparity in war crime justice bis-a-vis a Democrat and Republican. I have no idea what you are talking about.

By: KayInMaine

KayInMaine — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:19:08 +0000

Oh yeah, and don’t forget: BLOW JOBS ARE ILLEGAL IF A DEMOCRAT GETS ONE OUTSIDE HIS MARRIAGE. They’re fine if a republican gets one. See?

By: KayInMaine

KayInMaine — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 11:18:26 +0000

War crimes are fine when a right winger is doing it, but if a Democrat causes the death of one person, they will be brought to the Hague. See?

By: redfish

redfish — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:35:35 +0000

I do not understand the obsession with semantics Eureka. I called Iraq a debacle and it is. I did not limit it to that. But we are not terrorists, we had a horrific administration — they’re gone. I choose to look to the future.

I think Obama understands the gravity of the world situation today and has generally made the right decisions. I think that Iran and North Korea and the continued battle to stop those that would kill us is what Obama should be focusing on along with a myriad of other issues. Not, regurgitating the past.

Bush is gone, Rumsfeld is gone and Cheney is a pathetic icon of the right who chooses to bla bla bla on TV every now and then. We’re moving on.

By: Eureka Springs

Eureka Springs — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:14:22 +0000

# 51 Eureka I do not believe we are terrorists because of the debacle that is Iraq

# 73 Eureka, I did not say it i just a debacle

The wars absolutely need not be on our plate. No need whatsoever. hiding photos, protecting the big lies..which is what the liars were torturing for… to get more lies. That insures the validity of needless wars does not come into question.

Who was Fords right hand men, there Red? Cheney and Rummy. Who was head of CIA at that time? Bush Sr.

They all learned how to keep accountability off the table then..and only got worse with every step forward.

How many people know those facts and what they meant for the next 35 plus years, support Fords pardon of Nixon?

By: redfish

redfish — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:02:25 +0000

Good night all. Thanks for the exchange.

By: redfish

redfish — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 06:00:53 +0000

I see nothing in his 55 post detailing any judicial decision that makes the release of the photos obligatory. I don’t think that’s the case and it’s certainly not conclusive as is evidenced by Obama’s decision not to release the photos.

It is truly astounding to me though that will all on our collective plates; Iraq, Afghanistan, the economy, gay and lesbian rights, abortion, the environment, Iran, North Korea, the Middle East, immigration, etc. that any reasonable person would think it wise to drag the country into a bloody civil war regurgitating the sins of Bush - Cheney. It’s a supremely selfish and myopic position to take in my opinion.

By: sporkovat

sporkovat — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 05:53:04 +0000

Hey, Redfish, the only way you can be sure you are really getting their goat is when they ignore you completely, and will not deign to respond.

good sparring though! hope everyone had fun.

my point, though it may be too late, is that there is not some ’movement’ like you allude to in 41 that is making this issue inconvenient for the Obama administration, its decisions of Federal Judges, ruling that according to US law and the Constitution, the Govt is obligated to release the photos of its taxpayer funded actions.

thats where newtonusr was coming from at 55, and you pay him a compliment on the strength of his point . . . by ignoring it!

thats you do it in the progressosphere - I can tell you’ve got the hang of it.