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	<title>Comments on: I Oppose Torture, and Kagro X Is My Hero</title>
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		<title>By: Batocchio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Batocchio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 18:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.  That’s probably the the best job by any torture opponent I’ve seen in the past few months.  He hits the key points and sticks to them.  His opponents can only attack him on propriety - they don’t attack his facts.  That’s because they got nuthin’.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.  That’s probably the the best job by any torture opponent I’ve seen in the past few months.  He hits the key points and sticks to them.  His opponents can only attack him on propriety &#8211; they don’t attack his facts.  That’s because they got nuthin’.</p>
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		<title>By: ezdidit</title>
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		<dc:creator>ezdidit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 17:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Despite this, &lt;strong&gt;75% of the country want torture investigations.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt; this is a dead link - please find the survey and fix this. It’s too important!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;~~~&lt;em&gt;ModNote: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This is the link&lt;/a&gt;, and it is also repaired at the original.&lt;/em&gt;~~~&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<p>“Despite this, <strong>75% of the country want torture investigations.”</strong></p>
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<p> this is a dead link &#8211; please find the survey and fix this. It’s too important!!</p>
<p>~~~<em>ModNote: <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2009-02-11-investigation-poll_N.htm" rel="nofollow">This is the link</a>, and it is also repaired at the original.</em>~~~</p>
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		<title>By: Dameocrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dameocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 17:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think both parties are corrupt.  There a right wing and left wing third parties, that I think should have representation in goverment too.  The greens and libertarians have formed a votepact.  For every would be libertarian leaning republican that promises to vote for the libertarian instead of a republican a green lean dem can vote for a real green.  That way we can tell both parties to take a hike without playing spoiler.  Both Libertarians and Greens respect the constitution more than the demopublicans, so this will be a really good consensus.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think both parties are corrupt.  There a right wing and left wing third parties, that I think should have representation in goverment too.  The greens and libertarians have formed a votepact.  For every would be libertarian leaning republican that promises to vote for the libertarian instead of a republican a green lean dem can vote for a real green.  That way we can tell both parties to take a hike without playing spoiler.  Both Libertarians and Greens respect the constitution more than the demopublicans, so this will be a really good consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: Boston1775</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boston1775</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;More of David Waldman.&lt;br /&gt;
Waking us from our induced walking coma is a big job!&lt;br /&gt;
Waldman got 4:57, and he went off like my rooster.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The American people are not interested in this side show?&lt;br /&gt;
Side show?&lt;br /&gt;
She, they, the incessant chatter is the eye-glazing, brain-numbing side show.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Wake up America, and take responsibility for the contractors and the manipulators we elected.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More of David Waldman.<br />
Waking us from our induced walking coma is a big job!<br />
Waldman got 4:57, and he went off like my rooster.</p>
<p>The American people are not interested in this side show?<br />
Side show?<br />
She, they, the incessant chatter is the eye-glazing, brain-numbing side show.</p>
<p>Wake up America, and take responsibility for the contractors and the manipulators we elected.</p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
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		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 07:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I remembered.  Cliff Schecter.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remembered.  Cliff Schecter.</p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
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		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 06:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Who was that other GREAT lefty who was on talking head TV shows?  He was gooooood.  He didn’t let the wingnuts talk him down.  He gave them what they deserved.  If they interrupted him, he kept talking.  Sadly as soon as the MSM figured out how good he was, they stopped asking him on.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Damn it!  I can’t remember his name!  I think his last name started with S.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, Kagro is great.  But I fear he will have the same ending as this other guy did.  In effect, he is too good.  We simply CAN’T have that, can we?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who was that other GREAT lefty who was on talking head TV shows?  He was gooooood.  He didn’t let the wingnuts talk him down.  He gave them what they deserved.  If they interrupted him, he kept talking.  Sadly as soon as the MSM figured out how good he was, they stopped asking him on.</p>
<p>Damn it!  I can’t remember his name!  I think his last name started with S.</p>
<p>Yes, Kagro is great.  But I fear he will have the same ending as this other guy did.  In effect, he is too good.  We simply CAN’T have that, can we?</p>
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		<title>By: Eureka Springs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eureka Springs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 06:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Someone is right on the television!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Heroic indeed.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone is right on the television!</p>
<p>Heroic indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: tjbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 06:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As ye sow, so shall ye reap’&lt;br /&gt;
Sow the wind reap the whorlwind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As ye sow, so shall ye reap’<br />
Sow the wind reap the whorlwind.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Kaye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Kaye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 03:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I haven’t read Alexander’s book, but I did read Tony Lagournais’s &lt;em&gt;Fear Up Harsh: An Army Interrogator’s Dark Journey Through Iraq&lt;/em&gt;. It’s an eye opener, and shows how regular Army interrogators were pressured to get info, any info, and how even a good interrogator found himself slipping into more and more abusive techniques, until he had to quit to save his soul. I’ll reiterate that my categorical statement re all non-EIT interrogations may have been too strong. But from what you say about Alexander’s book, and what I read in Lagouranis’s book, my belief that torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment was widespread is in its large outlines correct.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven’t read Alexander’s book, but I did read Tony Lagournais’s <em>Fear Up Harsh: An Army Interrogator’s Dark Journey Through Iraq</em>. It’s an eye opener, and shows how regular Army interrogators were pressured to get info, any info, and how even a good interrogator found himself slipping into more and more abusive techniques, until he had to quit to save his soul. I’ll reiterate that my categorical statement re all non-EIT interrogations may have been too strong. But from what you say about Alexander’s book, and what I read in Lagouranis’s book, my belief that torture and cruel, inhumane and degrading treatment was widespread is in its large outlines correct.</p>
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		<title>By: TheOracle</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheOracle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 03:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“(AP 11:28 a.m. CT, Tues., Dec . 14, 2004)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WASHINGTON - President Bush awarded the nation’s highest civilian honor Tuesday to three men central to his Iraq policy, saying they had played “pivotal roles in great events.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush presented the Presidential Medal of Freedom to retired &lt;strong&gt;Gen. Tommy Franks&lt;/strong&gt;, who oversaw combat in Afghanistan and the initial invasion of Iraq, former CIA Director &lt;strong&gt;George Tenet&lt;/strong&gt; and former Iraq administrator &lt;strong&gt;L. Paul Bremer&lt;/strong&gt;.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These three were essential to the initial implementation of the Bush/Cheney torture regimen in Afghanistan and Iraq. They were at the top of the torture chain of command, holding key positions between the torture-mongerers in the Bush/Cheney administration and those contracted or ordered to torture detainees in Afghanistan and Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No wonder these three were awarded the Medal of Freedom…for their “service” to the Bush/Cheney torture-mongers…because if these three had balked at having detainees tortured like former Attorney General Ashcroft and FBI Director Mueller apparently did, then war crimes might not have been committed. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hmmmm, Ashcroft and Mueller didn’t receive a Medal of Freedom, did they? This is an instance in which not being bestowed the “honor” of a Medal of Freedom by the Bush/Cheney administration is actually a sign of honor for those not receiving it. Just like everything touched by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, the Medal of Freedom has been tainted, bloodied by the countless detainees tortured on their orders.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“(AP 11:28 a.m. CT, Tues., Dec . 14, 2004)</p>
<p>WASHINGTON &#8211; President Bush awarded the nation’s highest civilian honor Tuesday to three men central to his Iraq policy, saying they had played “pivotal roles in great events.”</p>
<p>Bush presented the Presidential Medal of Freedom to retired <strong>Gen. Tommy Franks</strong>, who oversaw combat in Afghanistan and the initial invasion of Iraq, former CIA Director <strong>George Tenet</strong> and former Iraq administrator <strong>L. Paul Bremer</strong>.”</p>
<p>These three were essential to the initial implementation of the Bush/Cheney torture regimen in Afghanistan and Iraq. They were at the top of the torture chain of command, holding key positions between the torture-mongerers in the Bush/Cheney administration and those contracted or ordered to torture detainees in Afghanistan and Iraq.</p>
<p>No wonder these three were awarded the Medal of Freedom…for their “service” to the Bush/Cheney torture-mongers…because if these three had balked at having detainees tortured like former Attorney General Ashcroft and FBI Director Mueller apparently did, then war crimes might not have been committed. </p>
<p>Hmmmm, Ashcroft and Mueller didn’t receive a Medal of Freedom, did they? This is an instance in which not being bestowed the “honor” of a Medal of Freedom by the Bush/Cheney administration is actually a sign of honor for those not receiving it. Just like everything touched by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, the Medal of Freedom has been tainted, bloodied by the countless detainees tortured on their orders.</p>
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