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	<title>Comments on: Feinstein, Specter Compromises Pave the Way For Passage of Employee Free Choice Act</title>
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		<title>By: maryinbelltown</title>
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		<dc:creator>maryinbelltown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 18:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not a compromise. Workers already have a right to organize under labor law - but it is violated by employers. The point of the EFCA is the strengthen the ability of worker’s to exercise their constitutional right to form a union at work. OK - if employers defeat card check, then let the congress come up with another way to strengthen existing law - like adding a jail sentence to the fines for violations. No more hand slaps. Let CEO’s deal with orange jump suits. I’m sick of it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a compromise. Workers already have a right to organize under labor law &#8211; but it is violated by employers. The point of the EFCA is the strengthen the ability of worker’s to exercise their constitutional right to form a union at work. OK &#8211; if employers defeat card check, then let the congress come up with another way to strengthen existing law &#8211; like adding a jail sentence to the fines for violations. No more hand slaps. Let CEO’s deal with orange jump suits. I’m sick of it.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidKaib</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidKaib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 14:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“which neutralizes that particular right-wing criticism of the bill.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If by neutralize, Harkin means have absolutely no effect on, than he’s surely correct. Those objections were based on lies, so why on earth would a change in the actual bill impact their arguments - by they I mean Arlen, Ben Nelson, McGovern and the rest.  The problems for EFCA have been because of Democrats. Of course, if the details so hobble the bill that it ceases to have any potential impact, those opponents may let the bill through, but this is their choice - it is not about what arguments they have available to them. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This episode will be the model for the consevadems and their lobbyist allies for all future battles for how to undermine progressive reform. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Step 1 - Let lobbyists and PR people, along with their astroturf organizations and Republicans, lie about what is at stake.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Step 2 - The media and so called centrist Democrats begin concern trolling on the basis of those lies.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Step 3 - Some progressives and their allies, begin to back peddle and tally each Dem Senator that comes out against us (but each individual one won’t matter because we just need them to vote for cloture) and then throw up their hands because we’ve already lost the messaging war.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Step 4 - Make concessions based on falsehoods, which serves to reinforce those falsehoods. Those concessions either undermine progressive values in the details, or just lead to more criticism from opponents, or both. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Even if you don’t care about EFCA, this is a terrible development.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“which neutralizes that particular right-wing criticism of the bill.”</p>
<p>If by neutralize, Harkin means have absolutely no effect on, than he’s surely correct. Those objections were based on lies, so why on earth would a change in the actual bill impact their arguments &#8211; by they I mean Arlen, Ben Nelson, McGovern and the rest.  The problems for EFCA have been because of Democrats. Of course, if the details so hobble the bill that it ceases to have any potential impact, those opponents may let the bill through, but this is their choice &#8211; it is not about what arguments they have available to them. </p>
<p>This episode will be the model for the consevadems and their lobbyist allies for all future battles for how to undermine progressive reform. </p>
<p>Step 1 &#8211; Let lobbyists and PR people, along with their astroturf organizations and Republicans, lie about what is at stake.</p>
<p>Step 2 &#8211; The media and so called centrist Democrats begin concern trolling on the basis of those lies.</p>
<p>Step 3 &#8211; Some progressives and their allies, begin to back peddle and tally each Dem Senator that comes out against us (but each individual one won’t matter because we just need them to vote for cloture) and then throw up their hands because we’ve already lost the messaging war.</p>
<p>Step 4 &#8211; Make concessions based on falsehoods, which serves to reinforce those falsehoods. Those concessions either undermine progressive values in the details, or just lead to more criticism from opponents, or both. </p>
<p>Even if you don’t care about EFCA, this is a terrible development.</p>
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		<title>By: Whispers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whispers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 04:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Once sufficient cards were turned in, possibly generated under significant peer pressure, the union was a done deal.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That always seemed like so much corporate propaganda to me.  The opposition to EFCA is based on paternalistic assumptions about workers.  At least nominally.  It’s really based on the realization that making it easier for workers to join a union makes it more likely that unions will form.  And Republicans don’t want that.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Once sufficient cards were turned in, possibly generated under significant peer pressure, the union was a done deal.”</p>
<p>That always seemed like so much corporate propaganda to me.  The opposition to EFCA is based on paternalistic assumptions about workers.  At least nominally.  It’s really based on the realization that making it easier for workers to join a union makes it more likely that unions will form.  And Republicans don’t want that.</p>
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		<title>By: cobernicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>cobernicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 22:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I think this is an excellent plan.  My problem with EFCA was that it deprived workers who &lt;strong&gt;didn’t &lt;/strong&gt;want a union of their voice.  Once sufficient cards were turned in, possilby generated under significant peer pressure, the union was a done deal.  Under this plan, all workers will be able to vote, at home and in private, and send the ballots secretly to the NLRB.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Everyone’s &lt;/strong&gt;rights are preserved.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think this is an excellent plan.  My problem with EFCA was that it deprived workers who <strong>didn’t </strong>want a union of their voice.  Once sufficient cards were turned in, possilby generated under significant peer pressure, the union was a done deal.  Under this plan, all workers will be able to vote, at home and in private, and send the ballots secretly to the NLRB.</p>
<p><strong>Everyone’s </strong>rights are preserved.</p>
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		<title>By: ubetchaiam</title>
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		<dc:creator>ubetchaiam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 05:40:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please don’t forget that Senator McGovern -who I supported in his run for the Presidency- IS a politician and Jane indicated his position was a ‘favor’ to a friend.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And you could have found out who Rick Berman was either by googling -or much easier- clicking on the link Jane provided.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And she does give him the opportunity to ’square’ things.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BUT really more to the point, he simply isn’t as sharp in mental acuity as he used to be (spoken as a 62 year old).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When he states in his WSJ op-ed in opposition to EFCA that it eliminates secret elections, such simply isn’t true.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When he states “Currently, labor law maintains a careful balance between the rights of businesses, unions and individual employees. While bargaining power differs depending on individual circumstances, the rights of the parties are well balanced. When a union and a business enter negotiations, current law requires that both sides bargain “in good faith.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;he obviously isn’t connected to what happens nowadays.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No diservice to either readers, who have a responsibility to ‘dig’ and just not be ‘told’, nor to Senator McGovern, given his lack of clarity in thought regarding this issue.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don’t forget that Senator McGovern -who I supported in his run for the Presidency- IS a politician and Jane indicated his position was a ‘favor’ to a friend.</p>
<p>And you could have found out who Rick Berman was either by googling -or much easier- clicking on the link Jane provided.</p>
<p>And she does give him the opportunity to ’square’ things.</p>
<p>BUT really more to the point, he simply isn’t as sharp in mental acuity as he used to be (spoken as a 62 year old).</p>
<p>When he states in his WSJ op-ed in opposition to EFCA that it eliminates secret elections, such simply isn’t true.</p>
<p>When he states “Currently, labor law maintains a careful balance between the rights of businesses, unions and individual employees. While bargaining power differs depending on individual circumstances, the rights of the parties are well balanced. When a union and a business enter negotiations, current law requires that both sides bargain “in good faith.”</p>
<p>he obviously isn’t connected to what happens nowadays.</p>
<p>No diservice to either readers, who have a responsibility to ‘dig’ and just not be ‘told’, nor to Senator McGovern, given his lack of clarity in thought regarding this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Arbusto</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arbusto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 05:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Two ethical,straight talking Senators I’d trust as far as, as; well fuck’em.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two ethical,straight talking Senators I’d trust as far as, as; well fuck’em.</p>
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		<title>By: neuyawka</title>
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		<dc:creator>neuyawka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 05:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dear Jane,   I suppose that a periodic concern among large numbers of bloggers is the constant fear of the embarrassment of an ill considered comment, perhaps even a remark such as this one cribbed from this very blog of yours:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“George McGovern was recently dis-invited to the Progressive Magazine’s 100th anniversary event because of his outspoken opposition to the bill on behalf of his good friend Rick Berman. If McGovern is interested in reclaiming his reputation among progressives as something more than the pawn of a right wing astroturfing scumbag, he now has the opportunity to acknowledge that these compromises would satisfy his concern.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have no idea of who Rick Berman is, haven’t heard of him so maybe you are right, but I have heard of George McGovern and i will state this without fear of contradiction or misstatement, if George McGovern had defeated Nixon in 1972 the chances are good you’d be living in a much better country today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;McGovern is a man who, in his mid twenties, flew as pilot in command&lt;strike&gt;&lt;/strike&gt;&lt;strike&gt;&lt;/strike&gt; thiry-five combat missions in his bomber at a time in the 2nd world war when bomber pilots had a 75% mortatlity rate. he earned a metal for valor for landing his shot up plane in very difficult circumstances and thereby saving the lives of his crew.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a Senator he was second to no one in his opposition to the Vietnam War and he has been a stalwart supporter of the working women and men in this country as long as I’ve lived and I’m an old man.  I’m a union activist, a shop steward for 20 plus years and while I sorry we don’t have the Senator’s support this time out, I will always honor him for what he has done for us.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To suggest he would act as a pawn of any one is, in my mind, a disservice not just to Mr McGovern but to your readers as well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Jane,   I suppose that a periodic concern among large numbers of bloggers is the constant fear of the embarrassment of an ill considered comment, perhaps even a remark such as this one cribbed from this very blog of yours:</p>
<p>“George McGovern was recently dis-invited to the Progressive Magazine’s 100th anniversary event because of his outspoken opposition to the bill on behalf of his good friend Rick Berman. If McGovern is interested in reclaiming his reputation among progressives as something more than the pawn of a right wing astroturfing scumbag, he now has the opportunity to acknowledge that these compromises would satisfy his concern.”</p>
<p>I have no idea of who Rick Berman is, haven’t heard of him so maybe you are right, but I have heard of George McGovern and i will state this without fear of contradiction or misstatement, if George McGovern had defeated Nixon in 1972 the chances are good you’d be living in a much better country today.</p>
<p>McGovern is a man who, in his mid twenties, flew as pilot in command<strike></strike><strike></strike> thiry-five combat missions in his bomber at a time in the 2nd world war when bomber pilots had a 75% mortatlity rate. he earned a metal for valor for landing his shot up plane in very difficult circumstances and thereby saving the lives of his crew.</p>
<p>As a Senator he was second to no one in his opposition to the Vietnam War and he has been a stalwart supporter of the working women and men in this country as long as I’ve lived and I’m an old man.  I’m a union activist, a shop steward for 20 plus years and while I sorry we don’t have the Senator’s support this time out, I will always honor him for what he has done for us.</p>
<p>To suggest he would act as a pawn of any one is, in my mind, a disservice not just to Mr McGovern but to your readers as well.</p>
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		<title>By: wsayscoupgood</title>
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		<dc:creator>wsayscoupgood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 01:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The fact that Specter is actually giving a good showing in the pennsylvania polls at this point just confirms to me that one of the best decisions I ever made was to get the hell out of that state! &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  Here is my idea for a campaign add by whoever has the guts to run against this scumbag in the Dem primary:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;On one side of the screen is a person standing he or she holds a sign either Dem or Republican Specter is in the middle. The Dem or repub states an issue or point of view as he she speaks a slight wind from his her speech seems to blow across Specter and he starts to drift in that direction vis verso for the other side. THey jsut keep going back and forth and fiannly a voice over says…”Arlen Specter whatever way the widn blows!”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And why haven’t any of Specters disgracefull interrogations of Anita Hill surfaced to help discredit him with the women of Pennsylvania?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that Specter is actually giving a good showing in the pennsylvania polls at this point just confirms to me that one of the best decisions I ever made was to get the hell out of that state! </p>
<p>  Here is my idea for a campaign add by whoever has the guts to run against this scumbag in the Dem primary:</p>
<p>On one side of the screen is a person standing he or she holds a sign either Dem or Republican Specter is in the middle. The Dem or repub states an issue or point of view as he she speaks a slight wind from his her speech seems to blow across Specter and he starts to drift in that direction vis verso for the other side. THey jsut keep going back and forth and fiannly a voice over says…”Arlen Specter whatever way the widn blows!”</p>
<p>And why haven’t any of Specters disgracefull interrogations of Anita Hill surfaced to help discredit him with the women of Pennsylvania?</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 01:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Bravo, Jane!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo, Jane!</p>
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		<title>By: TarheelDem</title>
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		<dc:creator>TarheelDem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 00:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The names of the people voting for the union better be kept confidential by the NLRB until after the union is certified with a Yes vote, or the information must be destroyed after certification of a No vote.  The employer must not be able to retaliate against folks who voted Yes, even if they fail.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The names of the people voting for the union better be kept confidential by the NLRB until after the union is certified with a Yes vote, or the information must be destroyed after certification of a No vote.  The employer must not be able to retaliate against folks who voted Yes, even if they fail.</p>
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