The traditional media is casting today as a Big Setback for Al Franken, because the Minnesota Supreme Court denied his request to have the Secretary of State and the governor sign his election certificate. Big whoop — that was expected, as state law clearly calls for all election contests to be settled before a certificate can be signed. The really big news here is what MinnPost’s Eric Black sniffed out upon reading the Supreme Court’s opinion:
In writing the ruling, the state Supremes described the statute on certificates as providing that "a certificate of election cannot be issued until the state courts have finally decided an election contest."
If you’re paying close attention, you get the point by now. They didn’t pick up the somewhat mysterious "court of proper jurisdiction" language from the actual statute (which raises the question: just what is the court of proper jurisdiction") but referred throughout the opinion to the state courts.
Just to make sure he was reading this right, Black went to two local experts: David Schultz of Hamline University, who teaches election law, and law Professor Guy Uriel-Charles, formerly of the University of Minnesota but now teaching law at Duke. They both agreed: The Minnesota Supreme Court’s justice are saying that once they have reached their decision on this case, the certificate question is over, even if Coleman appeals to the Federal level. Of course, Coleman could try to get the US Supreme Court to issue a stay, but both Schultz and Uriel-Charles thought it highly unlikely the SCOTUS would get involved, as once the case leaves the Minnesota court system, it has to be based on federal claims, like the Coleman team’s "equal protection" argument (which both Team Franken and the Election Contest Court have batted around like cats on speed smacking around a stuffed mouse). But bogus or not, both experts believe that those federal law considerations would not directly affect whether the state of Minnesota issues a certificate of election. And if it somehow turns out that the certificate was issued in error, the remedy is not in the Federal courts anyway, but simply for the Senate to refuse to seat Franken.
So there you have it, folks. All Norm’s efforts to craft a means to pole-vault this sucker into the Federal courts are now for naught. And we will have a new senator — not in months, but in weeks, and by Harry Reid’s April 1 deadline in all probability.





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Thanks PW.
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GOOD CATCH! Because the specific statute is exclusive to MN Election Law it is clearly something that the Federal Courts would have no role in…so that the certificate would be issued once the cases have been settled at the State level. If the Federal Courts wish to issue an injunction because of an issue of Federal Law they could, But not State law. I suspect that this portends that the MN Supreme Court will be done with this sometime in the next two weeks. Franken’s team may expedite that by simply resting their case after hearing a few more witnesses that are illustrative and those technical experts that seal the deal.
This “pop-up” ad that overlays the page is REALLY annoying. Are you intentionally trying to piss us of?
Since my understanding is the ads appear randomly (and may even sometimes be “personalized” to your location), then a simple refresh should remove the offending ad.
AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Phoenix Woman and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Thanx for another great post on the status of the Franken senate seat. It seems to me that the approach to the Coleman “contest” shows us a bit of how Obama and many in the Democratic Party establishment view the SCOTUS and how that view effects political decisions on a variety of issues. It seems to me that Franken’s lawyers and the Judges in this contest are doin’ everything they can that any appeaL appeal to the Federal Court, legitimate or not,will not stand in the way of certification and sending the issue to the full Senate as should be.
I think that many of Obama’s cautious approaches to issues like torture and illegal surveillance reflect a fear of allowing the fascist legal theories and concepts that have defined our country for the last nine years to be adjudicated by the current fascist court. I really believe that Obama fears this SCOTUS as a bigger threat to our political and economic recovery than the Republofascist party…but that fear gives the rump Republicans more power than their numbers. Jesus, this looks a lot like 1860!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE FUCKIN’ AMMUNITION, THE BASTARDS JEST WON’T GO AWAY!!
Firefox + AdBlock Plus takes care of ALL of the annoying ads.
So, how does FF interact with IE? Or, more accurately, can they co-exist? Or am I still not asking the right question?
Two different browsers. But you can most likely import all your bookmarks from IE into FireFox and go from there
I use FireFox usually instead of Safari (the Mac browser).
Book Salon up at the Mothership Kill Khalid with guest Paul McGeough, hosted by Siun.
So then does IE just sit in the system dormant?
I would assume so. Safari will launch for me if I do a software update or something but usually, it just sits there. All the browsers are are applications. You just choose to use FF instead of IE.
It will be refreshing to have Franken in the Senate. Maybe he can get Reid to grow a set and if the Republicants want to filibuster, make them filibuster until they can’t speak any longer. No more screwing around with the Republican Senate hypocrites.
This is a little O/T, but I just watched the senate banking committee hearing on thursday, and when I heard Senator Tim Johnson D, from S. Dakota. I don’t know if he has speaking difficulties, or if he is just not the sharpest guy in town (and THIS IS NOT A SLAM IN ANY WAY TO THE CITIZENS OF SOUTH DAKOTA). Anybody have an idea, because we need a better representation on such an important committee.
Firefox is almost exactly like IE in function. It’s something you use instead, like driving a Camry instead of an Accord.
Well, residual effects of a brain aneurysm may come in to play there. If you remember, he was out of the Senate for a large part of the last Congress due to treatment and rehab.
Yep. They’re just two different programs that do the same thing, but have minor differences.
Just like my car analogy above – both have four tires, steering wheels, heaters, radios… but everything is laid out slightly differently, and each has its pros and cons.
You can have both Firefox and IE installed on your system at the same time, and use whichever you choose at any time.
Tim Johnson had a stroke more than a year ago… relax and work harder to listen
My goodness, I am running 3 different browsers (IE, Opera & Firefox) with 3 different home pages and other purposes. I never knew this could be a problem LOL.
Am I right in thinking that this case is not yet before the Minnesota Supreme Court? So we will have to wait for the disposition of a probably Coleman appeal to them before the certificate is issued?
Even recovering from a stroke, Tim Johnson has more brain power and analytical skills than the entire GOP side of the Senate, and that includes Magic Bullet Specter and Big Love Orrin Hatch.
Thanks so very much, Molly.
“Am I right in thinking that this case is not yet before the Minnesota Supreme Court? So we will have to wait for the disposition of a probably Coleman appeal to them before the certificate is issued?”
Correct it is in the contest or trial phase, Coleman’s side has presented its case in chief, Franken is one week into his. Elias and Lillehaug, Franken Attorneys, say another week of witnesses and evidence, perhaps one and a half weeks. Then they will close.
There will probably be motions from both sides as to which ballots to propose for counting of those presented in the contest — and at some juncture the three judge panel will have to rule which, and commission the Secretary of State to arrange for the counting and report to the court.
Once the judges have completed this, they can rule who got the most votes, and that is, with all this, their only power at the conclusion of the contest. Who has the most votes?
I expect Franken to have the most votes — I think he could gain as many as 200-250 from this process — and those would be added to the 225 margin he already holds. The ECC decision could be the basis for a certificate of election to issue — or Coleman could appeal to the MN Supreme Court, on matters of law and proceedure in the contest process. Once the appeal to the MN Supremes is done, then the court can order the election certificate to be issued, and the certificate, plus all records of the recount and contest, go to the US Senate along with Franken. Then it will be up to Reid to engineer giving Al his proper seat.
Should Coleman wish to raise a Federal Issue — that will not effect the constitutionally correct process by which a state issues an election certificate, and the Senate is the judge of member’s credentials and elections or appointments. It should all be over, at the latest, late April — after the Senate comes back from Passover/Easter recess.
And, in the meantime Franken’s old nemesis Rush is back and, at least physically, bigger than ever…, i.e. he is still a big fat idiot.