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	<title>Comments on: California Consultant Class Inc: Exporting Referenda</title>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/california-consultant-class-inc-exporting-referenda/#comment-23461</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 06:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/15/late-late-nite-fdl-changes-2/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;late late nite&lt;/a&gt; up at the mothership&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2009/01/15/late-late-nite-fdl-changes-2/" rel="nofollow">late late nite</a> up at the mothership</p>
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		<title>By: neurophius</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/california-consultant-class-inc-exporting-referenda/#comment-23460</link>
		<dc:creator>neurophius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/political_opinion/California_Consultant_Class_Inc_Exporting_Referenda&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dugg.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://digg.com/political_opinion/California_Consultant_Class_Inc_Exporting_Referenda" rel="nofollow">Dugg.</a></p>
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		<title>By: katymine</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/california-consultant-class-inc-exporting-referenda/#comment-23459</link>
		<dc:creator>katymine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Lets see…. there are several groups who push specific ballot measure, tax limitation, gay marriage, eminent domain… &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;CA Prop 13 –&gt; Oregon Prop 5&lt;br /&gt;
Oregon prop on eminent domain –&gt; AZ eminent domain prop&lt;br /&gt;
CA Prop 8 —&gt; AZ prop 102 and several more states…..&lt;br /&gt;
Colorado TABOR –&gt; AZ Tabor ballot measure….&lt;br /&gt;
Oregon prop to raise any taxes requires a super majority —&gt; AZ 2/3 majority vote to raise taxes….. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It goes on and on …..&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets see…. there are several groups who push specific ballot measure, tax limitation, gay marriage, eminent domain… </p>
<p>CA Prop 13 –&gt; Oregon Prop 5<br />
Oregon prop on eminent domain –&gt; AZ eminent domain prop<br />
CA Prop 8 —&gt; AZ prop 102 and several more states…..<br />
Colorado TABOR –&gt; AZ Tabor ballot measure….<br />
Oregon prop to raise any taxes requires a super majority —&gt; AZ 2/3 majority vote to raise taxes….. </p>
<p>It goes on and on …..</p>
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		<title>By: Oilfieldguy</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/california-consultant-class-inc-exporting-referenda/#comment-23457</link>
		<dc:creator>Oilfieldguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dugg.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dugg.</p>
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		<title>By: wesgpc</title>
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		<dc:creator>wesgpc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Speaking as a CA native and resident for most of my voting life: You don’t want these modern astroturfed California initiative/referendum processes coming to your state.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree with BargainCountertenor, the process needs to be reformed. Not sure if a supermajority is the right fix, but that should surely be considered. Raising the proportion of registered voting population that needs to sign to qualify for the ballot might be another. In view of proposition 8, clarifying what can and cannot be done with one via ref/initiative is another thing that needs to be done (By my general principles, I think proposition 8 should be unconstitutional, but not sure about the technical legalities)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am not sure how or whether it can be done, but banning big money corporate and consulting frim paid and prostituted signature campaigns for ballot qualification would be another good idea.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What happens in CA now with these things is not at all what Hiram Johnson had in mind.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking as a CA native and resident for most of my voting life: You don’t want these modern astroturfed California initiative/referendum processes coming to your state.</p>
<p>I agree with BargainCountertenor, the process needs to be reformed. Not sure if a supermajority is the right fix, but that should surely be considered. Raising the proportion of registered voting population that needs to sign to qualify for the ballot might be another. In view of proposition 8, clarifying what can and cannot be done with one via ref/initiative is another thing that needs to be done (By my general principles, I think proposition 8 should be unconstitutional, but not sure about the technical legalities)</p>
<p>I am not sure how or whether it can be done, but banning big money corporate and consulting frim paid and prostituted signature campaigns for ballot qualification would be another good idea.</p>
<p>What happens in CA now with these things is not at all what Hiram Johnson had in mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Oilfieldguy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oilfieldguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mercitutes.  A word I just made up.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mercitutes.  A word I just made up.</p>
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		<title>By: Twain</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/california-consultant-class-inc-exporting-referenda/#comment-23454</link>
		<dc:creator>Twain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 05:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The ballot initiatives have relieved our representatives in Sac of any responsibility to do anything. They are all cowards and the initiatives keep them from having to make hard decisions. It is disgusting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ballot initiatives have relieved our representatives in Sac of any responsibility to do anything. They are all cowards and the initiatives keep them from having to make hard decisions. It is disgusting.</p>
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		<title>By: readerOfTeaLeaves</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/california-consultant-class-inc-exporting-referenda/#comment-23453</link>
		<dc:creator>readerOfTeaLeaves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 03:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As long as PAC contributions are tax deductible, this is going to continue to spiral completely out of control.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And after all, given the shitty economy, ballot issues are one of the few potential ‘growth sectors’ out there these days.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as PAC contributions are tax deductible, this is going to continue to spiral completely out of control.</p>
<p>And after all, given the shitty economy, ballot issues are one of the few potential ‘growth sectors’ out there these days.</p>
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		<title>By: BargainCountertenor</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/california-consultant-class-inc-exporting-referenda/#comment-23436</link>
		<dc:creator>BargainCountertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 00:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If &lt;strong&gt;anybody&lt;/strong&gt; attempts to bring California-style initiative to New Mexico, I’ll have them clobbered.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;California needs to &lt;em&gt;fix&lt;/em&gt; its initiative process.  A supermajority (say, 60% + 1) should be required for &lt;em&gt;every&lt;/em&gt; citizen initiative.  Fifty percent plus one is okay for referenda, but initiatives are so f***ed up that a hefty supermajority is the only way you can be sure the peepul won’t decide to make their arithmetic easier and vote to make pi = 3.  Or they might decide that the Biblical thing to do is to make pi = 3 (somewhere in the temple specs there are circular planters referred to in a way that appears that the Jews of the era thought pi was 3).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The California constitution is a mess.  You all need to have another ConCon, rewrite the damned thing, and fix the initiative.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If <strong>anybody</strong> attempts to bring California-style initiative to New Mexico, I’ll have them clobbered.</p>
<p>California needs to <em>fix</em> its initiative process.  A supermajority (say, 60% + 1) should be required for <em>every</em> citizen initiative.  Fifty percent plus one is okay for referenda, but initiatives are so f***ed up that a hefty supermajority is the only way you can be sure the peepul won’t decide to make their arithmetic easier and vote to make pi = 3.  Or they might decide that the Biblical thing to do is to make pi = 3 (somewhere in the temple specs there are circular planters referred to in a way that appears that the Jews of the era thought pi was 3).</p>
<p>The California constitution is a mess.  You all need to have another ConCon, rewrite the damned thing, and fix the initiative.</p>
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		<title>By: peterboy</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/01/14/california-consultant-class-inc-exporting-referenda/#comment-23414</link>
		<dc:creator>peterboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 17:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;CA referendum process is busted. No self-respecting CA voter should vote yes on anything that involves raising public money.&lt;br /&gt;
It would be OK though to endorse stuff that Consumer Watchdog puts out. Cause they are usually regulatory in nature.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CA referendum process is busted. No self-respecting CA voter should vote yes on anything that involves raising public money.<br />
It would be OK though to endorse stuff that Consumer Watchdog puts out. Cause they are usually regulatory in nature.</p>
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