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	<title>Comments on: Franken-Coleman Recount Update, 01/07/09: The Escalation of the Smears</title>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
i recall former senator Coleman saying on video about a week or so ago that he didn’t really care about the outcome of the votes because he was above petty posturing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it might be a good time to find that video and start recycling it to remind everyone what kind of an ass he really is.
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&lt;p&gt;I agree. A gentle reminder every time he says something contrary to it could help him remember and help people understand.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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i recall former senator Coleman saying on video about a week or so ago that he didn’t really care about the outcome of the votes because he was above petty posturing.</p>
<p>it might be a good time to find that video and start recycling it to remind everyone what kind of an ass he really is.
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<p>I agree. A gentle reminder every time he says something contrary to it could help him remember and help people understand.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkH</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 04:00:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;on the Caroline Kennedy controversy. She thinks the Senate would be lucky to get her. That has got to be the kiss of death if ever there was one.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;teh funny! LOL&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>on the Caroline Kennedy controversy. She thinks the Senate would be lucky to get her. That has got to be the kiss of death if ever there was one.</p>
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<p>teh funny! LOL</p>
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		<title>By: x174</title>
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		<dc:creator>x174</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i recall former senator Coleman saying on video about a week or so ago that he didn’t really care about the outcome of the votes because he was above petty posturing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it might be a good time to find that video and start recycling it to remind everyone what kind of an ass he really is.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i recall former senator Coleman saying on video about a week or so ago that he didn’t really care about the outcome of the votes because he was above petty posturing. </p>
<p>it might be a good time to find that video and start recycling it to remind everyone what kind of an ass he really is.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this, Sara!   This is good to know.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this, Sara!   This is good to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, Carl’s had a rough post-football life.  So has Jim Marshall, though not quite as bad as Carl’s.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, Carl’s had a rough post-football life.  So has Jim Marshall, though not quite as bad as Carl’s.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/franken-coleman-recount-update-010709-the-escalation-of-the-smears/comment-page-1/#comment-23084</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’d vote for him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d vote for him.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“I’d like him to appoint the three judge panel of Jim Marshall, Gary Larsen and Carl Eller.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sadly, Carl Eller is currently under going trial in Hennepin County Court for assaulting a policeman who apparently tried to stop him for drunk driving.  Sad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“I’d like him to appoint the three judge panel of Jim Marshall, Gary Larsen and Carl Eller.”</p>
<p>Sadly, Carl Eller is currently under going trial in Hennepin County Court for assaulting a policeman who apparently tried to stop him for drunk driving.  Sad.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Can the three-judge-contest panel order another recount? Will the panel question the validity and be able to throw out any ballot groups? Does the panel have the authority to overturn Franken’s win? Will the case eventually move to the Republican-Biased US Supreme Court?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You have to begin with the Statute Law — in this contest, the party bringing the suit has the burden of proof.  What the court will and can order would depend on whether Coleman comes in with proof of his claims sufficent to cause the court to issue an order.  The court could, for instance, require bond for any expenses, and by law the loser pays all court costs.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ironically, the whole Minnesota Recount system and statute law is based on the foundation of the decisions in the MN Governor’s recount case in 1962-63, Anderson V. Rolvaag.  That decision is actually addressed in Bush v. Gore to the argument that State Election Law prevails in State Elections.  The court in 2000 had to argue around Anderson v. Rolvaag on the grounds that the Constitution set a deadline for Flordia’s vote count — the date of the Electorial College meeting. That exception would not apply to Minnesota, as we have no deadlines other than requirements as to when trials have to begin in a Contest.  So in essence Bush v. Gore actually recognized Anderson v. Rolvaag as the lead precident, the settled law.  So no, I don’t predict it will successfully get into Federal Court.  In 63 the case went through the Federal Courts — the decision Anderson v. Rolvaag was written by the 8th Circuit Appeals Court, and affirmed by the Warren Supreme Court.  So given this — I don’t think the Feds will even look at the case.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Can the three-judge-contest panel order another recount? Will the panel question the validity and be able to throw out any ballot groups? Does the panel have the authority to overturn Franken’s win? Will the case eventually move to the Republican-Biased US Supreme Court?”</p>
<p>You have to begin with the Statute Law — in this contest, the party bringing the suit has the burden of proof.  What the court will and can order would depend on whether Coleman comes in with proof of his claims sufficent to cause the court to issue an order.  The court could, for instance, require bond for any expenses, and by law the loser pays all court costs.  </p>
<p>Ironically, the whole Minnesota Recount system and statute law is based on the foundation of the decisions in the MN Governor’s recount case in 1962-63, Anderson V. Rolvaag.  That decision is actually addressed in Bush v. Gore to the argument that State Election Law prevails in State Elections.  The court in 2000 had to argue around Anderson v. Rolvaag on the grounds that the Constitution set a deadline for Flordia’s vote count — the date of the Electorial College meeting. That exception would not apply to Minnesota, as we have no deadlines other than requirements as to when trials have to begin in a Contest.  So in essence Bush v. Gore actually recognized Anderson v. Rolvaag as the lead precident, the settled law.  So no, I don’t predict it will successfully get into Federal Court.  In 63 the case went through the Federal Courts — the decision Anderson v. Rolvaag was written by the 8th Circuit Appeals Court, and affirmed by the Warren Supreme Court.  So given this — I don’t think the Feds will even look at the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2009/01/07/franken-coleman-recount-update-010709-the-escalation-of-the-smears/comment-page-1/#comment-23079</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 01:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The big question is whether Coleman will be indicted for bribery before the election court case is settled.  Would make for interesting issues with respect to standing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big question is whether Coleman will be indicted for bribery before the election court case is settled.  Would make for interesting issues with respect to standing.</p>
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		<title>By: dakine01</title>
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		<dc:creator>dakine01</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes.</p>
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