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	<title>Comments on: Franken-Coleman Recount Update, 01/05/09 (Afternoon Edition): Canvassing Board Certifies Al Franken as the Winner</title>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Coleman is scheduled to meet the press at 4:00 PM, CST.  So far, no sign of his lawyers at the court house door with the Contest Petition Papers.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know what he will do — my “guesser” goes one way one minute, and another the next.  But I suspect he is getting massive pressure from all corners and in all directions.  We’ve got a huge budget problem here in Minnesota, they have to cut 4-5 billion out of this year’s appropriations, and the Legislature just came in today to get sworn in, get organized, and start dealing with it.  Pawlenty, Republican, faces two legislative houses that are solid DFL, so I assume the attention will now shift from a “decided” Senate Race to a profoundly difficult Legislative Session.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It might not be all that popular for Coleman to be spending oodles of money on his lost cause, when the financial problems are now center stage, and at least one aspect of this will be Senators who can be on station in DC as the Obama recovery plan evolves.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coleman is scheduled to meet the press at 4:00 PM, CST.  So far, no sign of his lawyers at the court house door with the Contest Petition Papers.  </p>
<p>I don’t know what he will do — my “guesser” goes one way one minute, and another the next.  But I suspect he is getting massive pressure from all corners and in all directions.  We’ve got a huge budget problem here in Minnesota, they have to cut 4-5 billion out of this year’s appropriations, and the Legislature just came in today to get sworn in, get organized, and start dealing with it.  Pawlenty, Republican, faces two legislative houses that are solid DFL, so I assume the attention will now shift from a “decided” Senate Race to a profoundly difficult Legislative Session.  </p>
<p>It might not be all that popular for Coleman to be spending oodles of money on his lost cause, when the financial problems are now center stage, and at least one aspect of this will be Senators who can be on station in DC as the Obama recovery plan evolves.</p>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 16:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Glad you could understand it with all those typos.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I was an observer at 3 county BOEs in Ohio 2004 fraudulent recounts. Minnesota was humanly perfect on all counts: by intent, by integrity, by law.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you could understand it with all those typos.</p>
<p>I was an observer at 3 county BOEs in Ohio 2004 fraudulent recounts. Minnesota was humanly perfect on all counts: by intent, by integrity, by law.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnEmerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnEmerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Coleman plans to stink up the place. In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mncampaignreport.com/showComment.do?commentId=3098&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;his statement&lt;/a&gt; he revives some old claims that were knocked down weeks ago. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Th WSJ is also on board. The loathsome &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Dick Morris&lt;/a&gt; is hard at work; presumably he’s being paid.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Presumably the national attack is being coordinated by the Swiftboater &lt;a href=&quot;http://mncampaignreport.com/diary/2384/coleman-is-planning-to-stink-up-the-place&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Benjamin Ginsberg&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Lott, and the WSJ have been flogging the “stolen election” idea for a month already, and we can expect that to explode. They won’t be able to keep Franken from being defeated, but they can put him under a cloud. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The truth is “Franken honestly won a very close election which was very carefully  and honestly done”. The wingers are pushing &lt;a href=&quot;http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?q=Franken+AND+%22stolen+election%22+OR+%22steal+the+election%22&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“Franken stole the election”&lt;/a&gt;. My guess is that their goal is primarily just to spread doubt, so that the conventional wisdom becomes “Franken won a close election in court after a controversial and flawed recount. Some say he stole it”. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But it wasn’t a flawed recount. If that becomes the CW, the wingers win. It will just be one more small obstacle they’ve succeeded in putting in Obama’s path, partly just by changing the conversation over to the Franken “controversy” instead of, for example, preventing a depression or dealing with the Israel Palestine dispute. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The battle against the lies has just begun. My guess is that some of the Republican scum were pulling in their horns as long as it seemed that Coleman might win, but we should see them crawling out from under their rocks now. (And sorry for the mixed metaphor).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coleman plans to stink up the place. In <a href="http://www.mncampaignreport.com/showComment.do?commentId=3098" rel="nofollow">his statement</a> he revives some old claims that were knocked down weeks ago. </p>
<p>Th WSJ is also on board. The loathsome <a href="http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">Dick Morris</a> is hard at work; presumably he’s being paid.</p>
<p>Presumably the national attack is being coordinated by the Swiftboater <a href="http://mncampaignreport.com/diary/2384/coleman-is-planning-to-stink-up-the-place" rel="nofollow">Benjamin Ginsberg</a>.</p>
<p>Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Lott, and the WSJ have been flogging the “stolen election” idea for a month already, and we can expect that to explode. They won’t be able to keep Franken from being defeated, but they can put him under a cloud. </p>
<p>The truth is “Franken honestly won a very close election which was very carefully  and honestly done”. The wingers are pushing <a href="http://blogsearch.google.com/blogsearch?q=Franken+AND+%22stolen+election%22+OR+%22steal+the+election%22&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;scoring=d" rel="nofollow">“Franken stole the election”</a>. My guess is that their goal is primarily just to spread doubt, so that the conventional wisdom becomes “Franken won a close election in court after a controversial and flawed recount. Some say he stole it”. </p>
<p>But it wasn’t a flawed recount. If that becomes the CW, the wingers win. It will just be one more small obstacle they’ve succeeded in putting in Obama’s path, partly just by changing the conversation over to the Franken “controversy” instead of, for example, preventing a depression or dealing with the Israel Palestine dispute. </p>
<p>The battle against the lies has just begun. My guess is that some of the Republican scum were pulling in their horns as long as it seemed that Coleman might win, but we should see them crawling out from under their rocks now. (And sorry for the mixed metaphor).</p>
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		<title>By: CTBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>CTBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah, that’s what I was looking for.  Thanks Palli!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, that’s what I was looking for.  Thanks Palli!</p>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:28:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;654 these were supposedly identified by Coleman folk as “possibly incorrectly” discared absentee ballots for the same reasons the BOEs had determined as “incorrectly” discarded (i.e. non-matching signature, improper witness dates, unconfirmed addresses).  Both campaigns had the addresses and names of all absentee voters (as by law but Franken’s camp requested them first.)  The BOEs did due diligence and checked and rechecked to determine their number of 1330 (?). The Coleman folk, after telephoning as many absentee voters as the could (Franken people did too) decided that they could list 654 more with their “due diligence.”  In other words, the Coleman people wanted to usurp fully the role of BOE’s in majority republican leaning counties.&lt;br /&gt;
Franken’s lawyers in most county BOEs, graciously objected but allowed these 645 to be opened and they were easily identified as properly excluded.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>654 these were supposedly identified by Coleman folk as “possibly incorrectly” discared absentee ballots for the same reasons the BOEs had determined as “incorrectly” discarded (i.e. non-matching signature, improper witness dates, unconfirmed addresses).  Both campaigns had the addresses and names of all absentee voters (as by law but Franken’s camp requested them first.)  The BOEs did due diligence and checked and rechecked to determine their number of 1330 (?). The Coleman folk, after telephoning as many absentee voters as the could (Franken people did too) decided that they could list 654 more with their “due diligence.”  In other words, the Coleman people wanted to usurp fully the role of BOE’s in majority republican leaning counties.<br />
Franken’s lawyers in most county BOEs, graciously objected but allowed these 645 to be opened and they were easily identified as properly excluded.</p>
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		<title>By: Palli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Palli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I ‘ll say it again, Lincoln should have put federal money into the Underground Railroad and let the white south wither.  &lt;em&gt;Historians: comment only partly in jest&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I ‘ll say it again, Lincoln should have put federal money into the Underground Railroad and let the white south wither.  <em>Historians: comment only partly in jest</em></p>
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		<title>By: Otay</title>
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		<dc:creator>Otay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 15:01:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I bet Cornyn didn’t even say he would stage a filibuster, as the GOP no longer has to actually do it under Harry.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps the paperwork for a silent Filibuster is now growing too burdensome for poor Harry…to pass along to his staff.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I bet Cornyn didn’t even say he would stage a filibuster, as the GOP no longer has to actually do it under Harry.</p>
<p>Perhaps the paperwork for a silent Filibuster is now growing too burdensome for poor Harry…to pass along to his staff.</p>
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		<title>By: CTBob</title>
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		<dc:creator>CTBob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t understand the problem with the extra 654 ballots.  Were they absentee ballots or regular ones?  What was the reason to not count them?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Coleman’s been grousing about these ballots since last week.  Now, unless there something over 400 votes for Coleman in the pile, how would it change the results if the state simply counted them? If the ballots went 60-40 Coleman, that would only be about a 130 vote gain, so it wouldn’t make a big difference in the outcome.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve tried to find the specifics regarding these ballots, but then I figured somebody here would know what’s doing with them.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t understand the problem with the extra 654 ballots.  Were they absentee ballots or regular ones?  What was the reason to not count them?</p>
<p>Coleman’s been grousing about these ballots since last week.  Now, unless there something over 400 votes for Coleman in the pile, how would it change the results if the state simply counted them? If the ballots went 60-40 Coleman, that would only be about a 130 vote gain, so it wouldn’t make a big difference in the outcome.</p>
<p>I’ve tried to find the specifics regarding these ballots, but then I figured somebody here would know what’s doing with them.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yup.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 14:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Whether Franken or Burris are seated immediately is not necessarily a problem until contentious votes come up. The stimulous bill is a spending bill and must originate in the house and then move to the senate. There is time for the courts to smack the shit out of Reid and Cornyn.&lt;br /&gt;
388 hrs &amp; 10 min&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whether Franken or Burris are seated immediately is not necessarily a problem until contentious votes come up. The stimulous bill is a spending bill and must originate in the house and then move to the senate. There is time for the courts to smack the shit out of Reid and Cornyn.<br />
388 hrs &amp; 10 min</p>
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