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Hiding the tat or not, I like Caroline a little more now.
Still not enough to want her in the US Senate – fantastic cabinet appointment, though.

bah!

well, are you Digging, nahant?

Not terribly interested in Caroline Kennedy. Even less in her tattoo.

Nope you do it!!

OK, Digg away, my friends!

Dugg!

would be nice to have some analysis of her actual qualifications or disqualifications for the office, or of where she stands with regard to other possible Democratic candidates…

Do you think her qualifications will have any bearing at all on her selection?

I don’t know, but I would like to know what she has done since she left the White House 45 years ago…I know she got married, had kids and wrote at least one book, but that’s about all I know…

I do doubt very much that her tattoo, or former tattoo, will have any bearing at all on her selection…

You live in New York, right? What do you think is likely to happen with the Senate seat?

OK I Dugg your Digg Neuro and left a comment!

Kennedy is an attorney, editor, writer and member of the New York and Washington, D.C. bars.

There are a bunch of Senators, and one could-be Senator, who don’t come close to these qualifications alone.
But still, she’s the wrong choice IMO.

late late nite toon up at the mothership

I think her qualifications are oh so much more charming then Hillary or Boxer or DiFi and cheer her on!

Hard to read Paterson. I have not had my nose in NYS politics, and even if I had, Paterson has been off the radar. Couple that with potential confirmation problems with Hillary, and you have a mess that I am not willing to prognosticate about. Others here have more difinitive opinions, but I have yet to see one that is convincing. LHP sez it must be a downstate person, as that’s where the $$ are for election campaign.

From Wikipedia:

Kennedy is an attorney, editor, writer and member of the New York and Washington, D.C. bars. She is one of the founders of the Profiles in Courage Award, given annually since 1990 to a person who exemplifies the type of courage examined in her father’s Pulitzer Prize-winning book of the same name. The award is generally given to elected officials who, acting in accord with their conscience, risk their careers by pursuing a larger vision of the national, state or local interest in opposition to popular opinion or powerful pressures from their constituents. In May 2002, she presented an unprecedented Profiles in Courage Award to representatives of the NYPD, the New York City Fire Department, and the military as representatives of all of the people who acted to save the lives of others during the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001.[4]

From 2002 to 2004, Kennedy worked as chief executive for the Office of Strategic Partnerships for the New York City Department of Education. During this time, she helped raise more than $65 million for the city’s public schools. [5] She currently serves as the Vice Chair of The Fund for Public Schools, a public-private partnership founded in 2002 to attract private funding for public schools in New York City. [6]

In addition, Kennedy is currently President of the Kennedy Library Foundation,[3] a director of both the Commission on Presidential Debates and the NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, and Honorary Chairman of the American Ballet Theatre. She is also an adviser to the Harvard Institute of Politics, a living memorial to her father.

Kennedy has represented her family at the funeral services of former Presidents Ronald Reagan in 2004 and Gerald Ford in 2007, and at the funeral service of former First Lady Lady Bird Johnson in 2007. She also represented her family at the dedication of the William J. Clinton Presidential Center and Park in Little Rock, Arkansas in November 2004.

We could do a lot worse than Caroline as Senator she at least has worked for the betterment of her fellow man/woman for most of her life!

you are a good man, nahant.

I Dugg your comment.

Coke or Root Beer… A&W of course!

she does sound more qualified than a Tweety Matthews…I would like to hear the arguments against her, aside from being a legacy product and never having run for public office…

but I find myself in EPU Land.

yup!

I believe she went to Harvard for her undergrad and Columbia for law school. Would she have gotten into these schools if she hadn’t been JFK’s daughter? Would she have hooked up with the groups she did? Could she have gotten a book published? To all of these questions the answer is maybe but it was because she was a Kennedy and specifically JFK’s daughter, that it happened.

I realize of course that Matthews is looking at a run in Pennsylvania, whereas Kennedy would be representing New York

an elegant yet edgy air…

Love it!

thanks for that perspective, Hugh

and now I’m off to Late Late Nite

We really need to change the name to the House of Lords if this appointment occurs. I wonder if she’ll even bother to run for a full-term in 2010.

Caroline also interned with Uncle Teddy and has been a long time civil rights advocate.

I don’t even want to fuck her any more, much less have her be a senator. Screw the rich. Power to the People.

Caroline is not owned by anyone. She is likely one of the few people who have not been compromised by government wiretapping. I doubt she is afraid of AIPAC. Has not been a career politician. A life devoted to family and public service. She has a heck of a lot more to recommend her than the Clinton ever had. No long list of scandals etc etc.

No one so far has given a legitimate reason to not want her in the senate. Because her name is Kennedy? How bizarre is that? She lost a father, uncle, and probably a brother, to assassination because they were working to better the lives of the American people.

A butterfly tattoo, or any other tattoo is such a ridiculous thing to focus on. Is it blue? Doubly cool if it is.

Ted Kennedy is the best hope that you have in America right now for better medical care for all. A man who is dying of a brain tumour who did not stop working on his plan during all of these months he was away from the senate. There is not another family in America who have worked so hard for the betterment of the poor and the middle class instead of the rich vultures. His niece isn’t up to progressive standards?

Whatever some of you are drinking..put the glass down.

I don’t even want to fuck her any more

That is so insulting beyond words.

Graduated from Harvard and Columbia University Law School, is on the NY and DC bars. That was super hard to find out, took all of about 7 seconds.

And of course, you’ll want to check out her professional life at Wikipedia.

Or, just keep perpetuating the new spew that all she’s ever done is sit around taking bubblebaths and munching on truffles.

One day, Caroline woke up in HER LONG-TIME HOME STATE OF NEW YORK and learned that after years of doing work for civic causes, she had been dismissed in Blogdom as the idle rich, just a notch away from Dubya.> Off with her head!

I find tats creepy and the bigger and more obvious the creepier. But Ms Kennedy seems as qualified as anyone in the state to be a senator whatever the “qualifications” might be.

I don’t care for political or economic dynasties because there is the implication that one generation hands it over to the next which does not deserve it. In the case of Bush this couldn’t be more true and even GHWB didn’t deserve what he got… didn’t he get it from Prescott?

CK seems to be well education and has done a lot of good work for people less fortunate that she. And she has suffered terribly for the losses in her family. I don’t have a problem with her as senator.

But I think there are others who are equally if not better suited for the job who have proved their mettle in congress – Jerry Nadler comes to mind.

Whomever Patterson selects will not be democratically selected and will either fill out the term and retire or run to see if they are what the people want. That will apply to anyone he selects.

Plotitics, I mean politics being what they are, these “decisions” become complex balancing acts with considerations of race, ethnicity, gender, experience / accomplishments in business and politics and public life. We don’t have a level playing field which selects for the best qualified and even that is a subjective notion. We’ve see two states elect movie stars, CA 2x and Mn once and one went on to be a two term pres and an awful one at that. But these two WERE elected by the people so you can’t explain / dismiss any choice/decision as being wrong in this system.

Anyone can and should be qualified to serve in elective office. We are supposed to e a democracy where we elect fellow citizens to serve. All we expect is that they be smart, and ethical and concerned with what’s good for the people and the environment.

But “this” is hardly a democracy, is it?

Ditto on everything you said.

It really irritates me that some have alluded to her not having “experience” because she was raising her family. Raising a family taught me management skills, negotiation skills, prioritizing, organizational skills, and budgeting.

Many of them, like me, volunteered for public service organizations. But that doesn’t count…because it’s not paid…never mind that volunteer organizations must be run by hardworking folks or else they soon falter.

People are blind to how much volunteer organizations pick up the slack in public service that the government doesn’t cover.

And that the women in this country are the majority of volunteer workers.

…but they sure do recognize women they do/don’t “want to fuck”…

FYI, it isn’t just republicans. Jim Webb has four tattoos, including one he says you can’t see if he is wearing only shorts.

If FDL wants to try to create a dogpile on Caroline Kennedy for endorsing Barack Obama in the campaign, or for being vile enough to want to fill Hillary’s golden slippers, they should just come out and say so.

But saying that getting a tatt taken off is evidence of low-character puts you guys on the level of the Limbaugh/Coulter/Hannity axis of nonsense.

Especially the way that FDL has shaved points for Clinton all these years.

I’d say that Caroline is at least as qualified for that Senate seat as was Hillary. The fact that it’s vacant and can be filled by appointment has nothing to do with it. Shortly, she’ll have to face the voters.

And, we KNOW what Clinton has done in her Senate career. Helping George Bush whip up the war-koolaid is at the top of the list. And, with her “triangulating” and the campaign that she ran against Obama, it’s a lonnng list.

And, despite that list, I don’t believe that there has ever been a thread from a staff member here, that had this much snark and bile directed at Clinton, not even when she was openly speculating that she needed to stay in the race because the specter of political assassination might rear it’s ugly head.

For me, that was just a tad more objectionable than Kennedy getting a tatt removed.

First of all, the witty Ms Derrick prattles:

“Caroline should show her mettle and get a cover-up, a piece which if done by a skilled artist could disguise the blurry butterfly and give her an elegant yet edgy air…perfect for connecting with Gen X and Y.
Because God knows she doesn’t really do that right now….”

WTF does that even mean? As for the rest, its just cheap. Unworthy of this blog. Congrats to the poster for revealing far more of herself than her intended target.

I’d also like to say that raising 65 million dollars for New York City education is more than a casual connection to generation X and Y, whose kids should be arriving in school either now or in the very near future.

Stay classy, Lisa Derrick!

One of my kids went to Harvard undergrad and Columbia (PhD art history) and I’m nobody.

Righto, VJB, and if anyone thinks that Hillary Clinton didn’t win the N.Y. Senate seat because she was named Hillary CLINTON, then they need to get back on the turnip truck.

Post 85 here was very informative about what Caroline Kennedy has done the past few decades.

Sara December 9th, 2008 at 10:31 pm 85
In most cases, I disagree with Dynasty — but I think it quite unfair not to mention in the case of Caroline Kennedy a few of the things she has actually done that might just add to the level of intelligence in the Senate. Most of these things have gone unmentioned in this debate.

In reading Ted Sorensen’s recent book — he offers considerable detail as to how, beginning when she was about 15, he took her through a multi-year tutorial on the politics of JFK. They hung out at the Kennedy Library for days at a time, going through files — both open and closed — and through that process she learned about each of the key issues JFK had to deal with both during his Senate years, and as President. Sorensen provided her with reading lists regarding many of these topics (she did the reading) and then followed long discussions about it all. Jackie wanted her prepared to assume the Family Seat on the board of the Library, and she didn’t want the Irish Mafia influencing her introduction to the topics — thus Sorensen. From what Sorensen has to say, I gather the two subjects that most interested her were the Cuban Missile Crisis and Civil Rights.

With respect to the Cuban Missile Crisis — Caroline eventually planned and executed a three part set of conferences — the first in Havana, the second in Moscow, and the third in Boston that brought together the living participants in all three countries, the Historians, and some people from the press to sort out the crisis. Each country declassified virtually all the relevant archives and made them available to scholars and thus over a three year period the conference met, reviewed the documents and analysis, and deposited both their consideration and review — and all the international documentation in facilities in all three countries. In the US of course, it is at the Kennedy Library. Apparently Caroline planned a good deal of the proceedings, arranged for books to be published, etc. (Things like Patterns of Soviet Crisis Management — you know, your ordinary best seller.) Caroline did this during the first Clinton Administration — largely because Bill Clinton was willing to get US documents declassified in a thorough way. (He was also willing to grant visas for Cuban Scholars to come to the US to participate, and for US participants to travel to Cuba.) It was her first big effort after she took a seat on the Library Board, and after the Irish Mafia’s power over the way the Library worked was ended. It is considered now a model in how Presidential Libraries should work with Scholars and Historians on classified, controversial and sensitive issues, particularly when international negotiation is necessary to flesh out the whole story. You can’t deal with this one without Cuban and Russian participation.

As to Civil Rights — Caroline Kennedy has for sometime been on the Board of the NAACP Legal and Educational Foundation — not the same as the NAACP. Commonly called the INC FUND, it is the outgrowth of the specialized Law Firm Thurgood Marshall built back in the 30’s and 40’s to fight the major Civil Rights Cases — and it continues that work. Virtually all the INC fund board members are working Constitutional Lawyers, as is Caroline Kennedy. These days much of the INC fund work is in Appeals Courts, and Kennedy is associated with a major Civil Rights Firm and works on INC Fund briefs.

She has written a book on the Bill of Rights, with a co-author from her firm, Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton and Garrison. It is written for a popular audience but is essentially a constitutional law effort — much detail on key and critical case law as it defines the meaning of “Rights.” And yes, it covers privacy as it has been construed from the rights and case law — but it deals with much more. It might be interesting to ask what kind of constitutional questions Caroline Kennedy has worked on as a lawyer, connected to the INC Fund.

My guess is that she chose this kind of legal practice largely because she had three children, the two oldest are in College or beyond now, and the third is just starting college. While I am certain she had household help and all — she did raise her children herself. Writing briefs and a book can easily be combined with organizing a family — much easier than, for instance, doing trial law.

Before she went to Law School she worked with her Mother on a major publication on the Moghul Law and Arts in India. As part of this, she worked as an intern in Jaipur, the location of much Moghul Art as well as a University faculty dedicated to the study of Moghul governance of India. I believe she was resident there for the greater part of a year. I know a former Fulbright Professor who overlapped with her year there, a Political Scientist, and he thought she was a very serious student of Moghul governance. What that detailed knowledge has to do with serving New York in the Senate, I don’t know — but I bet no one else in the Senate has actually studied Islamic Law and Governance in Sixteenth Century India.

In recent years she has been working with Joel Klein on the New York City Schools. Apparently among other things, she has raised nearly a hundred million dollars for projects not covered by tax dollars. Much of it, I believe has gone toward building out some of the Charter Schools in the New York System, but also renovation of older and poorer schools in the system. She seems to have also worked to develop and fund Arts, Music and Dance programs in the schools. She is apparently pretty deep in the weeds as to the problems of large urban public school systems, and has considerable knowledge of what is needed.

In the Obama Campaign, I believe she took primary responsibility for organizing the Fellows Program — which set up short term schools on community organization for volunteers, and then sent them out to work in the many Field Offices established around the country. Most of the Fellows were recent college graduates or college students.

Now I don’t know if she would be the best of all possible Senators in the best of all possible worlds — but besides having a coloring book named for her when she was three or four, I think she would bring considerable life experience to the Senate that it does not otherwise have, and that just might enrich the place. I am not bothered by the fact that she has never run for office — the Senate is full of people who have climbed state political ladders as a career. I doubt if she would have trouble raising campaign money, and she would have her choice of campaign managers — and she would not need to depend on PAC’s and Lobbyists for either money or information on legislative matters.

What has distressed me in the last few days of the discussion about all this is the failure to actually look up or ask the question, what has she been up to all these years? I think she has actually done fairly interesting stuff in addition to raising a family.

http://firedoglake.com/2008/12…..gn-for-it/

I haven’t decided and I don’t vote in NY but I think Caroline might be a good choice to fill the NY Senate seat for 2 years. I believe she comes from the same cloth as her father and uncle who held that seat previously. I hope those who supported Clinton don’t hold that against her.

As I recall, someone on here went after Kennedy for supposedly pulling strings to get Rupert Murdoch’s kid into the kindergarten of the private school where Caroline is on the board.

Which would seem to make putting this up, worth doing:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories…..0694.shtml

Not to mention that back in 2006, when the debate over the war in Iraq, and over FauxNews’ pimping of it were intense, to say the least, Hillary lent herself and the dignity of her Senate seat to Fox, by attending their 10th anniversay birthday bash.

I am glad you mention Rupert Murdock. He became a naturalized citizen so he could buy tv stations. He has screwed the American people ever since. I think it’s time to change some FCC laws.

On September 4, 1985, Murdoch became a naturalized citizen in order to satisfy the legal requirement that only US citizens were permitted to own American television stations.
In 1995, Murdoch’s Fox Network became the object of scrutiny from the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), when it was alleged that News Ltd.’s Australian base made Murdoch’s ownership of Fox illegal. However, the FCC ruled in Murdoch’s favor, stating that his ownership of Fox was in the best interests of the public. In the same year, Murdoch announced a deal with MCI Communications to develop a major news website, as well as founding a conservative magazine, The Weekly Standard. In the same year, News Corp. launched the Foxtel pay television network in Australia in partnership with Telstra.

In 1996, Murdoch decided to enter the cable news market with the Fox News Channel, a 24-hour cable news station. Following its launch, the heavily-funded Fox News consistently eroded CNN’s market share and eventually proclaimed itself as “the most-watched cable news channel.” Recent ratings studies released in the fourth quarter of 2004 showed that the network was responsible for nine of the top ten programs in the “Cable News” category.

And Murdock went to Turkey and became a citizen and seems to be doing the same thing there.

Recently, Murdoch has bought out the Turkish TV channel, TGRT, which had been previously confiscated by the Turkish Board of Banking Regulations, TMSF. Newspapers report that Murdoch has bought TGRT in a partnership with the Turkish recording mogul Ahmet Ertegün, and Murdoch is alleged to have acquired Turkish citizenship in order to overcome the current prohibition against capital sales to foreigners.[citation needed]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdock

This link is for info above also.

And it seems billionair Rupert don’t even pay income taxes for all the business’ he has here. From wiki

In 1999, The Economist reported that Newscorp Investments had made £1.4 billion ($2.1 billion) in profits over the previous 11 years but had paid no net corporation tax. It also reported that after an examination of the available accounts, Newscorp could normally have been expected to pay corporate tax of approximately $350 million. The article explained that in practice the corporation’s complex structure, international scope and use of offshore tax havens allowed News Corporation to pay minimal taxes.[40][41]