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	<title>Comments on: Franken-Coleman Recount Update:  They Told Us So</title>
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		<title>By: Marion in Savannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marion in Savannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Franken campaign called me about a week or a week and a half ago asking for money for legal fees for the recount.  I ponied up what I could, and it looks like I made a good investment.  Imagine me smiling one smile that runs around my face 2 times…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Franken campaign called me about a week or a week and a half ago asking for money for legal fees for the recount.  I ponied up what I could, and it looks like I made a good investment.  Imagine me smiling one smile that runs around my face 2 times…</p>
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		<title>By: Synoia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Synoia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 23:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Won’t yeild: “interesting collection of information”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Will yeild: “interesting collection of speculation”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Won’t yeild: “interesting collection of information”</p>
<p>Will yeild: “interesting collection of speculation”.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnEmerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnEmerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Minnesota is a clean government state with an efficient election process and a carefully-written election law, and I don’t think that either side has to worry about a stolen election. Ohio and Florida were and probably still are exceptionally corrupt states.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I call it a coin flip, with a slight Coleman advantage which isn’t worth speculating about. The gap is no more that +300 Coleman and there are thousands of votes still out. (The biggest the gap has been was 700; 1% would be 29,000, 40 times that. This election is within the margin of error of every poll that ever has been. Most coin flip experiments have a bigger gap).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We should hope that Franken and the Democrats fight hard and fair, that the final count is honest, and that Franken wins — in that order. Without evidence, no one should talk about a stolen election if Coleman wins. We know that the Republicans will talk about a stolen election if Franken wins — they’ve already started nationally, though they’re keeping a low profile in-state. We should let them talk, and laugh in their faces. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Everything so far has gone normally and fairly, to my knowledge, with the routine correction of normal human errors. There are a bunch of challenged ballots to count, questions about missing ballots, and questions about rejected absentee ballots. The number of problematic ballots is far greater than the Coleman-Franken gap. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Eventually the race will be decided by the courts, and / or Republican Governor Pawlenty, and / or the Democratic Senate. Franken should just keep on fighting. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Chris Cilizza and others are talking about “chaos”, but there’s no chaos. Jest a very close election. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Plus a lot of noise from Republicans stinking up  the place, of course.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minnesota is a clean government state with an efficient election process and a carefully-written election law, and I don’t think that either side has to worry about a stolen election. Ohio and Florida were and probably still are exceptionally corrupt states.</p>
<p>I call it a coin flip, with a slight Coleman advantage which isn’t worth speculating about. The gap is no more that +300 Coleman and there are thousands of votes still out. (The biggest the gap has been was 700; 1% would be 29,000, 40 times that. This election is within the margin of error of every poll that ever has been. Most coin flip experiments have a bigger gap).</p>
<p>We should hope that Franken and the Democrats fight hard and fair, that the final count is honest, and that Franken wins — in that order. Without evidence, no one should talk about a stolen election if Coleman wins. We know that the Republicans will talk about a stolen election if Franken wins — they’ve already started nationally, though they’re keeping a low profile in-state. We should let them talk, and laugh in their faces. </p>
<p>Everything so far has gone normally and fairly, to my knowledge, with the routine correction of normal human errors. There are a bunch of challenged ballots to count, questions about missing ballots, and questions about rejected absentee ballots. The number of problematic ballots is far greater than the Coleman-Franken gap. </p>
<p>Eventually the race will be decided by the courts, and / or Republican Governor Pawlenty, and / or the Democratic Senate. Franken should just keep on fighting. </p>
<p>Chris Cilizza and others are talking about “chaos”, but there’s no chaos. Jest a very close election. </p>
<p>(Plus a lot of noise from Republicans stinking up  the place, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: GregB</title>
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		<dc:creator>GregB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama was wise not to put himself on the line for a seat the Democrat was never going to win.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The media is already making it seem like the Chumpbliss win has evened things up for the GOP.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Martin was NEVER going to win this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-G&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama was wise not to put himself on the line for a seat the Democrat was never going to win.</p>
<p>The media is already making it seem like the Chumpbliss win has evened things up for the GOP.</p>
<p>Martin was NEVER going to win this.</p>
<p>-G</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 22:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;New &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/03/why-nationalizing-gm-and-citi-makes-sense/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/12/03/why-nationalizing-gm-and-citi-makes-sense/" rel="nofollow">post </a></p>
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		<title>By: AZ Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>AZ Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hot for Coleman I hope.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hot for Coleman I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: ratfood</title>
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		<dc:creator>ratfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This post-election purgatory must be agonizing for the candidates.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post-election purgatory must be agonizing for the candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Franken’s campaign is now claiming to be 22 votes ahead&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Franken_camp_says_theyre_ahead_22_1203.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://rawstory.com/news/2008/....._1203.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Franken’s campaign is now claiming to be 22 votes ahead<br /><a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Franken_camp_says_theyre_ahead_22_1203.html" rel="nofollow">http://rawstory.com/news/2008/&#8230;.._1203.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Oval12345678akaJamesKSayre</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oval12345678akaJamesKSayre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hope that both Al Franken and Dailykos have come to understand how the GOP electronically rigged and stole elections in 2002 and 2004, with the connivance of Diebold, ES&amp;S and other Republican-controlled electronic voting machine manufacturers. A simple web search on such terms as ”Diebold,” ”Chuck Hagel election theft” and ”electronic election theft” will bring an interesting collection of information.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that both Al Franken and Dailykos have come to understand how the GOP electronically rigged and stole elections in 2002 and 2004, with the connivance of Diebold, ES&amp;S and other Republican-controlled electronic voting machine manufacturers. A simple web search on such terms as ”Diebold,” ”Chuck Hagel election theft” and ”electronic election theft” will bring an interesting collection of information.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s why Mark Ritchie’s ordered the counties to do what the canvassing board’s too chickenshit to do:  Examine the rejected absentee ballots and count them if they’re countable.  The beauty of this is that while the Coleman campaign may be able to sue the canvassing board, they’ll balk at suing eighty-seven separate county elections boards.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s why Mark Ritchie’s ordered the counties to do what the canvassing board’s too chickenshit to do:  Examine the rejected absentee ballots and count them if they’re countable.  The beauty of this is that while the Coleman campaign may be able to sue the canvassing board, they’ll balk at suing eighty-seven separate county elections boards.</p>
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