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	<title>Comments on: Franken-Coleman Recount, 11/27/08:  In Which The UpTake, Nate Silver, and MNIndy Kick the TradMed&#8217;s Butt</title>
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		<title>By: reginasmastiffs</title>
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		<dc:creator>reginasmastiffs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 22:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The bad thing that America now fACE,s is a one sided Government.Their should alway,s be a balance in all thing,s.America will realize this i just hope it wont be at a price we cannot aford to pay.I think we have some realy bad people running our Country now and their is about 53 or 54 percent of the people in this Country we should all say thank you to for all the thing,s that are about to happen in this Country. One thing for sure is that when the head is deformed the body is deformed right along with it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The bad thing that America now fACE,s is a one sided Government.Their should alway,s be a balance in all thing,s.America will realize this i just hope it wont be at a price we cannot aford to pay.I think we have some realy bad people running our Country now and their is about 53 or 54 percent of the people in this Country we should all say thank you to for all the thing,s that are about to happen in this Country. One thing for sure is that when the head is deformed the body is deformed right along with it.</p>
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		<title>By: EdwardTeller</title>
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		<dc:creator>EdwardTeller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 19:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Best article I’ve read in days on this race!  Is Josh Marshall reading your stuff, PW?  He should.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Best article I’ve read in days on this race!  Is Josh Marshall reading your stuff, PW?  He should.</p>
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		<title>By: JohnEmerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>JohnEmerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 18:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My take on this is that most things that by and large the Minnesota system is a good one and will work, and that most of the options for both sides are clearcut and legitimate. Either side will sue if they see an advantage in that. Coleman can go to Pawlenty under certain circumstances, Franken can go to the Democratic Senate under certain circumstances. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The wild card is using the media to put pressure on public opinion, the recount board, the courts, etc., and the Coleman team has been working that to the hilt. He’s already claimed victory three times, and everything that turns against him he claims fraud. He’s got several big media people and a lot of blogs (e.g. Powerline) already talking about “a stolen election” with &lt;i&gt;no evidence at all&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wish that Franken would play the media a little harder — not but talking about fraud the way Coleman’s people have been doing, but by calling more attention to the Coleman teams false claims and their attempts at intimidation. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;My feeling right now is that with an honest count it’s about 50/50, or maybe a small Coleman advantage. But I don’t know and no one does. Franken should just fight for an honest count.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on this is that most things that by and large the Minnesota system is a good one and will work, and that most of the options for both sides are clearcut and legitimate. Either side will sue if they see an advantage in that. Coleman can go to Pawlenty under certain circumstances, Franken can go to the Democratic Senate under certain circumstances. </p>
<p>The wild card is using the media to put pressure on public opinion, the recount board, the courts, etc., and the Coleman team has been working that to the hilt. He’s already claimed victory three times, and everything that turns against him he claims fraud. He’s got several big media people and a lot of blogs (e.g. Powerline) already talking about “a stolen election” with <i>no evidence at all</i>.</p>
<p>I wish that Franken would play the media a little harder — not but talking about fraud the way Coleman’s people have been doing, but by calling more attention to the Coleman teams false claims and their attempts at intimidation. </p>
<p>My feeling right now is that with an honest count it’s about 50/50, or maybe a small Coleman advantage. But I don’t know and no one does. Franken should just fight for an honest count.</p>
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		<title>By: Loo Hoo.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Loo Hoo.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks, PW.  I was wondering what was happening in Paul Bunyanland.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, PW.  I was wondering what was happening in Paul Bunyanland.</p>
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		<title>By: JClausen</title>
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		<dc:creator>JClausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This Iowa DFH is enjoying the spectacle of my Minnesota brothers-in law wingnutheads exploding as I enquire about their Senate race.*g*&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;ps. I was the deluded “Liberal” so this is sweet revenge. Heh,Heh&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Iowa DFH is enjoying the spectacle of my Minnesota brothers-in law wingnutheads exploding as I enquire about their Senate race.*g*</p>
<p>ps. I was the deluded “Liberal” so this is sweet revenge. Heh,Heh</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve been pushing the term “GOP/Media Complex” as pushback against the discredited “liberal media” meme, but it’s never taken off.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://tcdailyliberal.com/blog/2008/11/senate-recount-graphs-day-7-desperate-coleman-challenging-everything/#comment-980&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Do check the link I just put in to Jeff Rosenberg’s story.&lt;/a&gt;  Notice how the number of challenges-per-10,000-ballots ratio stayed well under 5 for the first three days of the recount?  Those were the three days that Franken cut into Coleman’s official lead.  Coleman started ramping up the bogus challenges on Day Four and Franken was forced to do the same, realizing that Coleman was trying to temporarily fudge the numbers so he could then shout “I WAS ROBBED!” when his bogus challenges evaporated (and his fake “lead” with them).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve been pushing the term “GOP/Media Complex” as pushback against the discredited “liberal media” meme, but it’s never taken off.<br /><a href="http://tcdailyliberal.com/blog/2008/11/senate-recount-graphs-day-7-desperate-coleman-challenging-everything/#comment-980" rel="nofollow"><br />
Do check the link I just put in to Jeff Rosenberg’s story.</a>  Notice how the number of challenges-per-10,000-ballots ratio stayed well under 5 for the first three days of the recount?  Those were the three days that Franken cut into Coleman’s official lead.  Coleman started ramping up the bogus challenges on Day Four and Franken was forced to do the same, realizing that Coleman was trying to temporarily fudge the numbers so he could then shout “I WAS ROBBED!” when his bogus challenges evaporated (and his fake “lead” with them).</p>
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		<title>By: ratfood</title>
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		<dc:creator>ratfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Asshats works too.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asshats works too.</p>
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		<title>By: LindaR</title>
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		<dc:creator>LindaR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I like “Corporate Media” as it reflects their pet-dog raison d’etre.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like “Corporate Media” as it reflects their pet-dog raison d’etre.</p>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
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		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’ve also heard the term Big Media.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve also heard the term Big Media.</p>
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		<title>By: foothillsmike</title>
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		<dc:creator>foothillsmike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 17:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How about propaganda Shills?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about propaganda Shills?</p>
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