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		<title>By: Russron</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/et-tu-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-19938</link>
		<dc:creator>Russron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 05:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I don’t care if anyone thinks my attitude is stupid.  I’m done flushing my hard earned dollars on these spineless weasels and then getting bitch slapped for it.  Fuck them, fuck them all.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Not one more dime!  My next donation will be in 2012, to who ever opposes Lieberscum.  Hopefully, it will be a Repug.  At least Republicans have the stones to stomp on Judas Lieberman’s throat, when they have him down.  I have zero confidence in Democrats ability or willingness to do the right thing.  &lt;strong&gt;What the Democrats did today, made me regret every dime I’ve donated,&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt; all the way back to 2004.&lt;/strong&gt;  All we got was:  &lt;em&gt;Change we can count on getting Reamed By.&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t care if anyone thinks my attitude is stupid.  I’m done flushing my hard earned dollars on these spineless weasels and then getting bitch slapped for it.  Fuck them, fuck them all.  </p>
<p>Not one more dime!  My next donation will be in 2012, to who ever opposes Lieberscum.  Hopefully, it will be a Repug.  At least Republicans have the stones to stomp on Judas Lieberman’s throat, when they have him down.  I have zero confidence in Democrats ability or willingness to do the right thing.  <strong>What the Democrats did today, made me regret every dime I’ve donated,<em></em> all the way back to 2004.</strong>  All we got was:  <em>Change we can count on getting Reamed By.</em></p>
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		<title>By: maggiesboy</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/et-tu-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-19929</link>
		<dc:creator>maggiesboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I share your skepticism but I also like to argue.  [g]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share your skepticism but I also like to argue.  [g]</p>
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		<title>By: impurescience</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/et-tu-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-19926</link>
		<dc:creator>impurescience</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 01:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe I’m not very sophisticated, but I don’t get it. Why should he get something that big for being a wretched turncoat? If they wanted him to caucus with them they could have given him the minor position and taken away Homeland Security, and where would he have gone if it ticked him off? The best he could get from the Republicans would have been ranking member. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Patricians Club at work, protecting one of their own at our expense. I stand ready to recant if Obama shows this to be some political masterstroke, but…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I’m not very sophisticated, but I don’t get it. Why should he get something that big for being a wretched turncoat? If they wanted him to caucus with them they could have given him the minor position and taken away Homeland Security, and where would he have gone if it ticked him off? The best he could get from the Republicans would have been ranking member. </p>
<p>The Patricians Club at work, protecting one of their own at our expense. I stand ready to recant if Obama shows this to be some political masterstroke, but…</p>
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		<title>By: maggiesboy</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/et-tu-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-19922</link>
		<dc:creator>maggiesboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Who said the caps have been taken out of his pistol?&lt;br /&gt;
Show me some evidence.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is none yet.  I’m just making a comparison to say the kid who got his hand caught in the cookie jar.  It’s not likely the behavior will be quickly repeated because he’s going to be watched.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again the decision sucks but I keep thinking of and hearing other alternatives why Lieberman does and doesn’t matter.  What’s to say Obama won’t offer some other Republican Senator a position and it’s someone like Voinovich  of Ohio?  Voinovich would be replaced by a Democrat because we have a Democratic Gov.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have a rule that I rarely follow, probably should but believe Obama lives by it…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t overreact.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Every play tug-of-war where you purposely put slack in the rope to throw the other side of balance?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m just sayin’…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Who said the caps have been taken out of his pistol?<br />
Show me some evidence.</p>
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<p>There is none yet.  I’m just making a comparison to say the kid who got his hand caught in the cookie jar.  It’s not likely the behavior will be quickly repeated because he’s going to be watched.</p>
<p>Again the decision sucks but I keep thinking of and hearing other alternatives why Lieberman does and doesn’t matter.  What’s to say Obama won’t offer some other Republican Senator a position and it’s someone like Voinovich  of Ohio?  Voinovich would be replaced by a Democrat because we have a Democratic Gov.</p>
<p>I have a rule that I rarely follow, probably should but believe Obama lives by it…</p>
<p>Don’t overreact.</p>
<p>Every play tug-of-war where you purposely put slack in the rope to throw the other side of balance?</p>
<p>I’m just sayin’…</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe2</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/et-tu-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-19907</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Obama orchestrated the resurrection of Joe Lieberman.  What are his plans?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama orchestrated the resurrection of Joe Lieberman.  What are his plans?</p>
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		<title>By: waynec</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/et-tu-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-19906</link>
		<dc:creator>waynec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;I hate the fact he’s getting off but I also realize they’ve pulled all the caps out of his pistol. &lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Who said the caps have been taken out of his pistol?&lt;br /&gt;
Show me some evidence.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I hate the fact he’s getting off but I also realize they’ve pulled all the caps out of his pistol. </em></p>
<p>Who said the caps have been taken out of his pistol?<br />
Show me some evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: helena</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/et-tu-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-19905</link>
		<dc:creator>helena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;John Edwards was about REAL change.  He understood malignant power and how to stand up to it.  Evidently, Obama doesn’t. very very sad.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Edwards was about REAL change.  He understood malignant power and how to stand up to it.  Evidently, Obama doesn’t. very very sad.</p>
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		<title>By: redX</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/et-tu-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-19904</link>
		<dc:creator>redX</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Might make the difference between my money, time, and hope - and the easier path of saying F it and beer and the easy path (cheaters win, there is no accountability).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ah what does it matter in any scenario the money and power folks are set and we will sweat and burn.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might make the difference between my money, time, and hope &#8211; and the easier path of saying F it and beer and the easy path (cheaters win, there is no accountability).</p>
<p>Ah what does it matter in any scenario the money and power folks are set and we will sweat and burn.</p>
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		<title>By: Phoenix Woman</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/et-tu-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-19903</link>
		<dc:creator>Phoenix Woman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Interrupting the Ten Years’ Hate for a moment:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Congressional Democratic leadership told Dean right from the start that they didn’t answer to him, but to Reid and Pelosi.  They wouldn’t listen to him, except maybe to do the exact opposite of whatever he recommended.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That’s one reason why Dean concentrated on building up the state orgs rather than bothering to lobby Congress.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interrupting the Ten Years’ Hate for a moment:</p>
<p>The Congressional Democratic leadership told Dean right from the start that they didn’t answer to him, but to Reid and Pelosi.  They wouldn’t listen to him, except maybe to do the exact opposite of whatever he recommended.</p>
<p>That’s one reason why Dean concentrated on building up the state orgs rather than bothering to lobby Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Imhotep</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/18/et-tu-howard/comment-page-1/#comment-19902</link>
		<dc:creator>Imhotep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 23:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The CT state Dems are meeting 12/17 to discuss a censure of Liebe.  Big deal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can someone provide a link to the Senate vote on this?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CT state Dems are meeting 12/17 to discuss a censure of Liebe.  Big deal.</p>
<p>Can someone provide a link to the Senate vote on this?</p>
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