Kumbayah

I asked it before, and it only seems more and more appropriate today: How Much is the Price?

Excellent question.

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Denial must be a river in Connecticut.

One Lieberman supporter on Capitol Hill said, “There is no taste for retribution at this time.”

I thought Obama had said it wasn’t about him – it was about us. For my part of the us I say no Joe chairmanship.

Well, I’ve got a hankering for some retribution.

As far as I’m concerned, unless he institutes single payer health care and puts $200 billion immediately into the Social Security Fund, I’m viewing Obama the same way I viewed Clinton and I put him on a par with a moderate Republican.

What a disappointment.

My contempt for Joe Lieberman knows no bounds.

Oh, right. No taste for retribution.

Plenty of taste, apparently, for Lieberman’s repeated attacks on the Democratic Party, with more sure to come–but no retribution.

yes, sir. but, how much is the up side? nothin? he stays in the dem roles but has no power. frankly, that’s as much as he can hope for. bama has a plan. i’m sure of it.

Who is to say that Lieberman’s decision to walk, talk and act like a Republican throughout this election cycle is not “retribution” for his humiliating defeat by Connecticut Democrats in the 2006 senatorial primary?

give him some time, please. the thugs have removed ALL the money from the system. did you notice?

No Joe!

Joe was walking, talking, acting, and voting like a Republican well before the current election cycle.

It was what led to his “humiliating defeat” in the ‘06 primary in the first place.

I don’t think it is retribution it is the position Joe campaigned for and won. Chairs for the Dems who won the election.

all the more reason to cut him loose

if not now, when?

Time to pledge allegiance, to the United States Of Israel.

It’s ONLY about that.

Ask Mega.

yes, it is practically a tough call given where this country is at the moment.

Rahm Emmanuel has Israeli-style mandatory universal civil defense training planned for EVERY American – the fear mongering continues.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/…..e4qGSU8z2G

Have you signed the petition against JoLie?

Obama, Reid, Pelosi, Hoyer, are all politicians. They’re protecting Lieberman, because they want him as a firewall against the left sensible wing of the party. If we can get them to strip away his chair of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, we’re making progress.

Has Obama made any statements consistent with what the Hartford Courant said he said?

Is Dodd’s supportive comments of JoeLie today a response to Leahy’s and Sanders’ negative comments yesterday?

Having grown up in the “duck and cover” era of the US and having lived in places of the country where tornadoes and hurricanes and blizzards and floods (all items that would fall under civil defense) are fairly prevalent I have to ask, why is civil defense training for US citizens a bad thing?

…with all due respect…

To paraphrase RummyDummy … you come into power with the economy you have, not the economy you want. I believe trying to pigeon-hole Obama into being left or right is not the way to look at it. I believe his plan is focused on moving forward with the focus on the middle class. If this proves to be false then shame on me, in the mean time let the skinny kid from Illinois make some moves before condemning him to some political ideology.

Agreed dakine01 – It’s a practical application of “Ask not what your country can do for you…”. I don’t see it as a gross attack on civil liberties?!?! It’s not like they are planning to bus every American off to an internment camp living their defenseless children unattended and alone to fend for themselves. Again, what to see the plan before you attack.

I was a duck ‘n cover kid too.

I grew up there too. Were you and everyone you know forced to put on a uniform and go away to indoctrination camps for three months? No. That’s the experience of Israel, where Rahm went to serve his (primary) country in its military, as citizens of Israel are obligated to do.

Calling it “civil defense training” is as Orweillian as it gets.

…I’d like the break to be honest. My folks were too po’ to send me to camp. Closest I came to summer camp was basic training at Lackland AFB. [g]

And where is your evidence that this is what Rahm is proposing?

(note: I am one of those folks that favors a “universal service” performed by all citizens, whether it be military duty, service in poor/disadvantaged neighborhoods, teaching, whatever as part of the citizens obligations with no deferments for butt boils, being a student or having children)

give him some rope, at least. it will be okay, imo

As soon as they make enough more people homeless and hungry, it will be a welcome opportunity to serve the glorious fatherland to earn a few Amero and “three hots and a cot,” as you have suggested.

I’m just pointing out, this is not America.

rahm doesn’t do anything on his own. this is all junk.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/…..e4qGSU8z2G

I listened to his own words.

So is Rahm the dictator that he can force these things to happen? Or is he the proposed Chief of Staff to President-elect Obama who would have to be on board?

Just because Rahm says it doesn’t in any way shape of form make it so.

The more I think about sharing a common experience, the more I’m warming up to the idea. The best example again was my time in basic training. Never had I been tossed into a more diverse group of people. Sure the goal of the military is to brainwash recruits but despite that I learned more about getting along with folks than at any other time in my life. That includes living in a dorm at college. The only life that prepared me for was prison life. [g]. At least my military experience taught me how to get along and survive.

Whacha afraid of, rubbing elbows with some rednecks? They’re OK, just get back if one of ‘em says “Hey, watch this!” [g]

And by the way, you do realize that ‘podcast’ is from 2006 don’t you?

so do i. it’s junk in practice. rahm is rahm. if it continues he will be gone, imo.

It also might be a way to get people actually involved in their country. We have too many kids at computers all day and physically doing nothing – it’s bad for their minds and bodies. If we had people involved in what’s going on Bush would never have been elected the second time and maybe not even the first. If “elected”is the right word.

plunger, Rahm has never been popular at FDL and it never had anything to do with his ethnicity.

Your comments are off topic. If you want to rag on Rahm or US Middle Eastern policy, write a diary at Oxdown.

so if they don’t can him from his committee post, lieb will be in charge of THIS when it comes up again??? really scary.

http://online.wsj.com/article/…..92785.html

You see that plunger, everybody’s warming up to your idea.

AFAIK, all those universal service ideas are just way too expensive. I’m not saying the idea in some form or other doesn’t have merit, but from what I’ve heard, the logistics are very tough.

Very nice catch.

this is just soooo sooooo scary . they HAVE to get rid of him. you put the two pieces of this puzzle together and it’s the scariest possibility i’ve seen in months, way too much power for this guy, considering what’s at stake..

http://online.wsj.com/article/…..92785.html

thanks, believe it or not i was researching blackwater for something and found it just now

Yeah, and Rahm was just being Rahm when he presided in the White House amid the Lewinsky-enabled blackmail too.

http://www.aztlan.net/israeli_sexpionage.htm

I simply don’t trust him. Trust is not negotiable. Dual citizens should not serve in our house.

he is gone from the chair, imo. the issue now is should he be even allowed to be with dems. i say we can use joe until he is impotent. he is still a dangerous fellow and i don’t care what evryone thinks about him personally.

and this is pretty freaky too if you consider the dateline on it.

http://www.australia.to/story/…..00,00.html

…to date Obama (or Rahm) haven’t made anyone hungry or homeless. I don’t see this as a tin foil moment. What about the rewards for doing this service? Isn’t there college tuition and other benefits tied to serving?

Keep digging and let me know when you find the barbwire and cranial implants. [g]

it will be a welcome opportunity to serve the glorious fatherland

It’s homeland isn’t it? I gotta admit I’ve never been comfortable with that term or czar either. Imagine the response to Katrina if this training had already become part of the national fabric? Let’s not put the cart before the horse at least until it’s been hitched.

i do understand you. my chips are with bama. he can figure this out. one of the options he has considered is that by bringing foes into the mix that he can get a different (true) perspective. what would be wrong with that?

Let Lieberman put his cards on the table; take away his gavel and see what he does. Should he choose to remain in the Dem caucus, bonus points for him and his principles; if he doesn’t, he’s as sleazy & small as I (and many others) think he is.

I really do understand the desire to keep J-Lie in the caucus. But at the same time, this is the same guy who whined (to Glenn Beck, of all people) about the inherent dangers of a Dem filibuster-proof majority.

Political pragmatism, when it relies on Joe Lieberman, isn’t pragmatism at all.

I can think of no other reason why LIEberman would want to stay in the Democratic caucus than to serve his Republican masters. He’s gonna vote the way he’s gonna vote regardless of which party he’s in. Cut the losses and cut him loose.

he has no masters except israel. comeon.

Frankly, I don’t even want him in the caucus. He’ll only serve as the mole he is.

otoh, what do you suppose would happen if the us shifted to support the (others) in that region. Can’t happen. right?

Joe at the Republican Convention was enough for me, a lifetime’s worth of disgust in one appearance.

The smile – the massive conspiratorial grin, the shining moment of attention whore sincerity, the “ain’t I naughty” look of a whore breaking into the confines of an all male club, basking in the momentary glow of shameful approval……

sorry, can’t stop gagging

i don’t either. he is a cancer. BUT he does represent a powerfull lobby. what to do?

that did it for most of us. there are other things in the works.

if the new administration and the ‘new dems’ don’t stand up to lobbyists and change the game we’re doomed. I mean really stand up. i dont’ wanna hear any more names in the new admin from the good ol boys club, including Hil. fresh faces and new ideas, or we are freakin DONE for.

another goody for Lieberman to get his hands on, from blackwater website, and gleefully reported by them.

Pentagon Expanding Its Domestic Surveillance Activity
Fears of Post-9/11 Terrorism Spur Proposals for New Powers
The Defense Department has expanded its programs aimed at gathering and analyzing intelligence within the United States, creating new agencies, adding personnel and seeking additional legal authority for domestic security activities in the post-9/11 world.
The moves have taken place on several fronts. The White House is considering expanding the power of a little-known Pentagon agency called the Counterintelligence Field Activity, or CIFA, which was created three years ago. The proposal, made by a presidential commission, would transform CIFA from an office that coordinates Pentagon security efforts — including protecting military facilities from attack — to one that also has authority to investigate crimes within the United States such as treason, foreign or terrorist sabotage or even economic espionage.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..57_pf.html

You do realize that article is over three years old? And most of it has been implemented already? That’s a lot of what the FISA fight was working against

Book Salon up at the Mothership with Lindsay hosting Ken Silverstein

Yeah, memories of Zell Miller come to mind.

I’m not really into political strategeristics, and so have little to offer on that front. But like I said before, relying on Lieberman to caucus with Dems seems silly, given that he, you know, hasn’t. Perhaps if Connecticut had a Dem governor this would be a no-brainer for no-guts Reid.

Again, take away his chairmanship and see what he does.

I assume all present have read this.

rahm roasting stephen colbert last night:

“We’re frightened of Colbert, but we know that deep down, underneath the Republican character you see on TV, there’s still a good man, there’s still hope for him. It’s the same way we feel about Joe Lieberman.”

huffington link

sorry, i gave the wrong link. now i have to see if i can find the right one. my bad

this is the lnk. not the most grammatically correct article, but the dateline is interesting considering the references therein.

http://www.australia.to/story/…..00,00.html

IIRC, that was when FISA was being debated and the Rs were all in FEAR FEAR FEAR mode.