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	<title>Comments on: El Coyote Boycott? Mormon Manager&#8217;s Faith Overrides &#8220;Love&#8221; For Customers</title>
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		<title>By: Millineryman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Millineryman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thnaks for your coverage of this lisa/&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thnaks for your coverage of this lisa/</p>
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		<title>By: Jett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Mormons weren’t the sole evildoers in this operation:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/…&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...../c/…&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Months before the first ads would run on Proposition 8, San Francisco Catholic Archbishop George Niederauer reached out to a group he knew well, Mormons.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Niederauer had made critical inroads into improving Catholic-Mormon relations while he was Bishop of Salt Lake City for 11 years. And now he asked them for help on Prop. 8, the ballot measure that sought to ban same-sex marriages in California.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I say some Catholic parishes need some picketing too.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now I’m as mad as the next guy about this horrible mandate, however, I have to say, I’m pretty pissed at our side for taking things for granted and underorganizing at the outset. We allowed the other side to get their message out first to people who could have been our allies. All these protests are kinda shutting the barn door after the horse has escaped.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I feel like everyone in San Fran and WeHo are so ghettoized that they never dreamed their rights were threatened. (I had people calling me at the No on 8 office asking when the victory party was being held, but they said they didn’t have time to come in to phone bank)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mormons weren’t the sole evildoers in this operation:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/…" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/&#8230;../c/…</a></p>
<p>“Months before the first ads would run on Proposition 8, San Francisco Catholic Archbishop George Niederauer reached out to a group he knew well, Mormons.</p>
<p>Niederauer had made critical inroads into improving Catholic-Mormon relations while he was Bishop of Salt Lake City for 11 years. And now he asked them for help on Prop. 8, the ballot measure that sought to ban same-sex marriages in California.”</p>
<p>I say some Catholic parishes need some picketing too.</p>
<p>Now I’m as mad as the next guy about this horrible mandate, however, I have to say, I’m pretty pissed at our side for taking things for granted and underorganizing at the outset. We allowed the other side to get their message out first to people who could have been our allies. All these protests are kinda shutting the barn door after the horse has escaped.</p>
<p>I feel like everyone in San Fran and WeHo are so ghettoized that they never dreamed their rights were threatened. (I had people calling me at the No on 8 office asking when the victory party was being held, but they said they didn’t have time to come in to phone bank)</p>
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		<title>By: DWilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>DWilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Marjorie is typical of Mormons: Pray, Pay and Obey.&lt;br /&gt;
Cognitive thought is not tolerated.&lt;br /&gt;
The entire issue is a classic case of The Stockholm Syndrome.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marjorie is typical of Mormons: Pray, Pay and Obey.<br />
Cognitive thought is not tolerated.<br />
The entire issue is a classic case of The Stockholm Syndrome.</p>
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		<title>By: eagleye</title>
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		<dc:creator>eagleye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What we need to ask the Marjories of the world– Why they are so hellbent on imposing their notion of morality on everyone else? We’re happy enough to let them lead their intimate personal lives however they choose.  They are the ones determined to define the personal lives of others.  They need to understand that in this respect they are not conservatives.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we need to ask the Marjories of the world– Why they are so hellbent on imposing their notion of morality on everyone else? We’re happy enough to let them lead their intimate personal lives however they choose.  They are the ones determined to define the personal lives of others.  They need to understand that in this respect they are not conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: tiggrrl</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiggrrl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 23:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you live in California, you can &lt;a href=&quot;http://capwiz.com/canow/issues/alert/?alertid=12187831&amp;type=ST&amp;show_alert=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ask your state legislators to pledge their vote against Prop. 8&lt;/a&gt; if the California Supreme Court decides that it is a revision to the state Constitution, rather than an amendment.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The legal case against Prop. 8 is stronger than a lot of the stories on it acknowledge.  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2008/11/prop-8-postmortem-part-1-dissecting-history.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here is some of the legal background.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you live in California, you can <a href="http://capwiz.com/canow/issues/alert/?alertid=12187831&amp;type=ST&amp;show_alert=1" rel="nofollow">ask your state legislators to pledge their vote against Prop. 8</a> if the California Supreme Court decides that it is a revision to the state Constitution, rather than an amendment.</p>
<p>The legal case against Prop. 8 is stronger than a lot of the stories on it acknowledge.  <a href="http://www.canow.org/canoworg/2008/11/prop-8-postmortem-part-1-dissecting-history.html" rel="nofollow">Here is some of the legal background.</a></p>
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		<title>By: cricket1963</title>
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		<dc:creator>cricket1963</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;seems harsh to boycott a business that employs 89 people, many gay, because one person, on her own, gave a 100 bucks.&lt;br /&gt;
the manager has said “We don’t share her views as the management. They don’t press us to do anything that we don’t want to do, and we never talk about politics or religion. I don’t understand why we got connected to something going on at the top.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i actually pity her, el coyote, and the employees. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i could understand a personal or word-of-mouth boycott, but this seems extreme.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;are we going to track down the other 400,000 hundred-dollar-donating mormon’s and boycott where they work too?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it is not possible or efficient and seems mobbish.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we should stick to boycotting businesses that donated money, not businesses that hire donating mormons.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this was done to us by the Church of LDS, not this poor dumb woman or the guy that washes dishes and is happy to have a job in this economy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i dont think LDS cares if el coyote goes belly up or if the gays and latinos working there loose their job.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seems harsh to boycott a business that employs 89 people, many gay, because one person, on her own, gave a 100 bucks.<br />
the manager has said “We don’t share her views as the management. They don’t press us to do anything that we don’t want to do, and we never talk about politics or religion. I don’t understand why we got connected to something going on at the top.”</p>
<p>i actually pity her, el coyote, and the employees. </p>
<p>i could understand a personal or word-of-mouth boycott, but this seems extreme.</p>
<p>are we going to track down the other 400,000 hundred-dollar-donating mormon’s and boycott where they work too?</p>
<p>it is not possible or efficient and seems mobbish.</p>
<p>we should stick to boycotting businesses that donated money, not businesses that hire donating mormons.</p>
<p>this was done to us by the Church of LDS, not this poor dumb woman or the guy that washes dishes and is happy to have a job in this economy.</p>
<p>i dont think LDS cares if el coyote goes belly up or if the gays and latinos working there loose their job.</p>
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		<title>By: Cellar47</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cellar47</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 20:38:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Honey you simply don’t udnerstand. Marriage is a contract with the state. Churches may execute ceremonies but it’s a state contract and always has been. From the dawn on time. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let me speak to you REAL slowly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Should you get divorced, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;who would perform that?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your priest?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your Rabbi? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ehrensteinland.com/htmls/library/marriage.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;WISE UP!!!!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honey you simply don’t udnerstand. Marriage is a contract with the state. Churches may execute ceremonies but it’s a state contract and always has been. From the dawn on time. </p>
<p>Let me speak to you REAL slowly.</p>
<p>Should you get divorced, </p>
<p>who would perform that?</p>
<p>Your priest?</p>
<p>Your Rabbi? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.ehrensteinland.com/htmls/library/marriage.shtml" rel="nofollow">WISE UP!!!!</a></p>
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		<title>By: arealcalifornian</title>
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		<dc:creator>arealcalifornian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;    what about the employee$ -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    Gay and straight that have worked there for many many years?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As a business person responsible for those employees, she should have been thinking about them before she chose to support discrimination against not only her customers but as you have pointed out, some of those employees. The employees should organize and call for her to resign. The aunt that started the business must be spinning in her grave right about now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>    what about the employee$ -</p>
<p>    Gay and straight that have worked there for many many years?</p>
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<p>As a business person responsible for those employees, she should have been thinking about them before she chose to support discrimination against not only her customers but as you have pointed out, some of those employees. The employees should organize and call for her to resign. The aunt that started the business must be spinning in her grave right about now.</p>
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		<title>By: arealcalifornian</title>
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		<dc:creator>arealcalifornian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; I am sick at heart that I have offended anyone in the gay community…you are treasured to me…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Honestly, I think this is a form of apology. She recognizes that her action offended people. She didn’t weasel out and say IF I offended anyone.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I do believe the gay community is “treasured” to her. Our $20/$50/$100s are all treasure to her and her family. But I don’t think that was an apology. I think she only regrets that this could cost her business.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> I am sick at heart that I have offended anyone in the gay community…you are treasured to me…</p>
<p>Honestly, I think this is a form of apology. She recognizes that her action offended people. She didn’t weasel out and say IF I offended anyone.</p>
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<p>I do believe the gay community is “treasured” to her. Our $20/$50/$100s are all treasure to her and her family. But I don’t think that was an apology. I think she only regrets that this could cost her business.</p>
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		<title>By: yellowdogD</title>
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		<dc:creator>yellowdogD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Judge Judy&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Judge Judy</p>
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