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		<title>By: Jonathryn</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/13/did-the-mormon-church-cheat/#comment-19517</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But neither of these tax-exempt groups is engaging in education or issue advocacy. They’re politicking. The proposition in question was to enact a law, not to debate an issue. If proposition 8 were a nonbinding resolution giving a sense of the state, then paid advertisements, direct mail, phone banks, etc. would be advocacy of an issue. But since Prop 8 was citizen-initiated legislation, it enters into the realm of political contributions just as it would if it were between two political candidates. To suggest that prop 8 is somehow unrelated to politics is preposterous. The state or the Federal Government should investigate whether the LDS Church has acted improperly–as they famously did with the NAACP–and whether the church should have its tax-exempt status revoked.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But neither of these tax-exempt groups is engaging in education or issue advocacy. They’re politicking. The proposition in question was to enact a law, not to debate an issue. If proposition 8 were a nonbinding resolution giving a sense of the state, then paid advertisements, direct mail, phone banks, etc. would be advocacy of an issue. But since Prop 8 was citizen-initiated legislation, it enters into the realm of political contributions just as it would if it were between two political candidates. To suggest that prop 8 is somehow unrelated to politics is preposterous. The state or the Federal Government should investigate whether the LDS Church has acted improperly–as they famously did with the NAACP–and whether the church should have its tax-exempt status revoked.</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/13/did-the-mormon-church-cheat/#comment-19515</link>
		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I saw that last night and it is totally out of line.  What if you vote for a pro war candidate?  Isn’t that the same?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is abuse of faith.  It also violates the precept of free will.  It is also increeeedibility myopic.  It is only going to turn people away.  Horrible message to American Catholics.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another priest tried this (in Colorado I think) a couple of years ago.  Didn’t work out so well as I recall.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I saw that last night and it is totally out of line.  What if you vote for a pro war candidate?  Isn’t that the same?</p>
<p>This is abuse of faith.  It also violates the precept of free will.  It is also increeeedibility myopic.  It is only going to turn people away.  Horrible message to American Catholics.</p>
<p>Another priest tried this (in Colorado I think) a couple of years ago.  Didn’t work out so well as I recall.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peterr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;A &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7465&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;post by Be_Devine at Calitics&lt;/a&gt;, a gay man speaking about the Prop 8 stuff, noted that the Humane Society is the same kind of 501(c)3 organization as the LDS, and no one seems to have a problem with the HS putting a bunch of money into an animal rights proposition on the CA ballot: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;In order to strip the church’s 501(c)(3) status, it would have to be shown that a “substantial part” of the Mormon church, as a whole, is devoted to influencing legislation. By any measure, the church’s involvement here is not a “substantial part” of the church’s overall operations.  For example, courts have held that when less than 5 percent of an organization’s activities are devoted to lobbying, it is presumptively not a “substantial part.”  Seasongood v. Commissioner, 227 F.2d 907.  Does anyone really think that the Mormon church devoted more than 5 percent of its global activities to influencing Prop 8?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And let’s take this legal argument to its logical conclusion.  The Humane Society of America is a tax-exempt organization under the same tax code section, 501(c)(3), as the Mormon church.  In the eyes of the IRS, the Humane Society and the Mormon church are the same.  The Humane Society was the critical force behing getting Prop 2 (treatment of farm animals) passed.  It donated $3.7 million, helped get the proposition on the ballot, and carried the torch in getting it passed.  Should the IRS strip the Humane Society of its tax-exempt status for advocating Prop 2?  Of course it should not.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The law for 501(c)3 non-profits — religious or secular — is clear that issue advocacy and education is fine while candidate endorsement is not. It’s akin to the general campaign finance law distinction between issue-advertising and candidate advertising. (The “substantial part” test, referenced above, is a way of trying to see that people don’t set up front groups that are spending all of their money on lobbying and elections, rather than on true nonprofit activities.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is issue advocacy/education, and thus protected. I find it offensive, wrong-headed, and screwed up theologically on many grounds, but it’s not illegal.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That being said, if the LDS isn’t playing by the rules when it comes to reporting in-kind contributions under the law, that’s a much different thing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A <a href="http://www.calitics.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7465" rel="nofollow">post by Be_Devine at Calitics</a>, a gay man speaking about the Prop 8 stuff, noted that the Humane Society is the same kind of 501(c)3 organization as the LDS, and no one seems to have a problem with the HS putting a bunch of money into an animal rights proposition on the CA ballot: </p>
<blockquote><p>In order to strip the church’s 501(c)(3) status, it would have to be shown that a “substantial part” of the Mormon church, as a whole, is devoted to influencing legislation. By any measure, the church’s involvement here is not a “substantial part” of the church’s overall operations.  For example, courts have held that when less than 5 percent of an organization’s activities are devoted to lobbying, it is presumptively not a “substantial part.”  Seasongood v. Commissioner, 227 F.2d 907.  Does anyone really think that the Mormon church devoted more than 5 percent of its global activities to influencing Prop 8?</p>
<p>And let’s take this legal argument to its logical conclusion.  The Humane Society of America is a tax-exempt organization under the same tax code section, 501(c)(3), as the Mormon church.  In the eyes of the IRS, the Humane Society and the Mormon church are the same.  The Humane Society was the critical force behing getting Prop 2 (treatment of farm animals) passed.  It donated $3.7 million, helped get the proposition on the ballot, and carried the torch in getting it passed.  Should the IRS strip the Humane Society of its tax-exempt status for advocating Prop 2?  Of course it should not.</p>
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<p>The law for 501(c)3 non-profits — religious or secular — is clear that issue advocacy and education is fine while candidate endorsement is not. It’s akin to the general campaign finance law distinction between issue-advertising and candidate advertising. (The “substantial part” test, referenced above, is a way of trying to see that people don’t set up front groups that are spending all of their money on lobbying and elections, rather than on true nonprofit activities.)</p>
<p>This is issue advocacy/education, and thus protected. I find it offensive, wrong-headed, and screwed up theologically on many grounds, but it’s not illegal.</p>
<p>That being said, if the LDS isn’t playing by the rules when it comes to reporting in-kind contributions under the law, that’s a much different thing.</p>
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		<title>By: EricJaffa</title>
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		<dc:creator>EricJaffa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If a supporter of Obama “Walked precincts…(and)…Set up of very elaborate web sites” would you want him punished for an unreported in-kind contribution?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If a supporter of Obama “Walked precincts…(and)…Set up of very elaborate web sites” would you want him punished for an unreported in-kind contribution?</p>
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		<title>By: TobyWollin</title>
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		<dc:creator>TobyWollin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Teddy - I know your commentary about the role of the Catholic Church in this is several threads ago, but this came out this morning and just ticked me off incredibly:&lt;br /&gt;
“A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should &lt;strong&gt;refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama &lt;/strong&gt;because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him “constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil.”&lt;br /&gt;
The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary’s Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/no-communion-for-obama-su_n_143804.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....43804.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Excuse me? ‘Refrain from taking communion’…or are you saying that you will refuse to give it to them? You are going to shame them in front of the church..at the rail?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teddy &#8211; I know your commentary about the role of the Catholic Church in this is several threads ago, but this came out this morning and just ticked me off incredibly:<br />
“A South Carolina Roman Catholic priest has told his parishioners that they should <strong>refrain from receiving Holy Communion if they voted for Barack Obama </strong>because the Democratic president-elect supports abortion, and supporting him “constitutes material cooperation with intrinsic evil.”<br />
The Rev. Jay Scott Newman said in a letter distributed Sunday to parishioners at St. Mary’s Catholic Church in Greenville that they are putting their souls at risk if they take Holy Communion before doing penance for their vote.<br /><a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/14/no-communion-for-obama-su_n_143804.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&#8230;..43804.html</a></p>
<p>Excuse me? ‘Refrain from taking communion’…or are you saying that you will refuse to give it to them? You are going to shame them in front of the church..at the rail?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathryn</title>
		<link>http://fdlaction.firedoglake.com/2008/11/13/did-the-mormon-church-cheat/#comment-19508</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathryn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 15:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In what respect is the LDS church, or any of these other churches, able to skirt the laws prohibiting nonprofit-type groups from political activities? If a church engages in politics, shouldn’t it lose its tax-exempt status?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In what respect is the LDS church, or any of these other churches, able to skirt the laws prohibiting nonprofit-type groups from political activities? If a church engages in politics, shouldn’t it lose its tax-exempt status?</p>
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		<title>By: Teddy Partridge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teddy Partridge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/political_opinion/Did_the_Mormon_Church_Cheat&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Digg it right here if you like&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://digg.com/political_opinion/Did_the_Mormon_Church_Cheat" rel="nofollow">Digg it right here if you like</a></p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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