The media in Salt Lake City have discovered the documents revealed prior to Election Day that show a long-time collaboration between the Mormons and the Catholics to destroy what they call "Homosexual Legal Marriage."
DailyKos Diarist thereisnospoon had these documents in a pre-Election Day diary, and summarized them:
Yep, you got that right. They were thinking of this in California way back in 1997. They were saying, "referendum is expensive. We have the money, but we don’t have the public face. So let’s join with the Catholics, because they have a better reputation."
The Roman Catholic Archbishop of San Francisco who renewed this relationship this summer when he asked for the LDS Church leadership’s assistance had most recently been the Archbishop of Salt Lake City. The SF Chronicle revealed earlier this week:
Months before the first ads would run on Proposition 8, San Francisco Catholic Archbishop George Niederauer reached out to a group he knew well, Mormons.
Niederauer had made critical inroads into improving Catholic-Mormon relations while he was Bishop of Salt Lake City for 11 years. And now he asked them for help on Prop. 8, the ballot measure that sought to ban same-sex marriages in California.
The June letter from Niederauer drew in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and proved to be a critical move in building a multi-religious coalition – the backbone of the fundraising, organizing and voting support for the successful ballot measure. By bringing together Mormons and Catholics, Niederauer would align the two most powerful religious institutions in the Prop. 8 battle.
Of course, there’s a fairly straight-line connection between San Francisco and Rome as well as Salt Lake City:
Remember, the previous Archbishop, William Joseph Levada, was called to Rome in 2005 to be Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the position formerly held by Joseph Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI.
Americans need to understand that these two powerful church hierarchies have been working closely together to deny us civil rights, for a long time.
And that’s not right.





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Gee, I wonder why the LDS thought they had to hide their key decade-plus role in promoting marriage bigotry.
Perhaps because everyone knows that bigotry of other kinds is written into their scripture and church law — and is still unofficial custom?
Catholics in bed with Mormons to keep Men outta (the marriage) bed with other men and women outta bed with other women.
That’s just wrong on sooooooo many levels. I thought being Mormon was just as hell-worthy in the eyes of the Catholic Church as being gay.
Silly me.
FunnyD
I want to see the Government step up to the plate and strip these obviously Political entities of their tax exempt status. It is long overdue, as they routinely meddle in elections. I also believe the Office of Faith Based Initiatives should be abolished, they have no business distributing our tax dollars to churches.
I agree.
I stated a week ago that both need to undergo strict IRS investigations because they deserve to loose their tax exempt status.
They both should also lose their Faith Based qualifications for grants.
Dugg
Please join me in the Digg if you like
Haven’t these people got anything better to do?!
Thanks for the post Teddy.
TedP, I agree with you all the way.
The church’s MUST be confronted, legally and in any other way possible short of beating up on their congregations.
Their tax exempt status is a joke, and must be removed.
Same with many not for profits and think tanks . . . but that’s another story.
It’s the church, not the church go’ers who need to be held feet to fire.
And man, I’m real tired of them and their 3% dictating morality and lifestyle and legislation.
Thanks for the focus of where our efforts should be.
Ever notice that self-appointed defenders of morality tend to be the most immoral people around?
BETSY!!!! *G*
Up and about?
I’ll check in!
Ratso and Neilsy Bush
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/arts…..364645.htm
Haven’t these people got anything better to do?!
It’s the lord’s
workbusiness, Betsy.Keep those sheeples feeling righteous, fulfilled and successful and they’ll pump more dollars into those collection plates so that newer and bigger super-righteous campaigns can be waged against “sinners”.
Ratzinger spent his time on the Swiss board trying to bury the Vatican’s massive pedophilia scandal, the London Observer reported this week. In a secret 2001 letter, he ordered Church officials to prevent police from learning about abuse allegations — a theological innovation more commonly known in the United States as “obstructing justice.” Given this criminal high-wire act, perhaps the good cardinal thought it prudent to cultivate some personal ties with a presidential sibling.
Dugg
I’m not too surprised. Haven’t the jews/muslims/christans been trying to get rid of homosexuality since BC/AD?
Personally I’d like to see Anno Domini vanquished to the dust bin of history.
No one knows what the Mormons are doing but I would suggest that the Catholics clean up their own house before they step into some other house and disrupt it.
You make a good point. The Catholic church and the LDS don’t want the issue of same sex marriage to go away entirely, it is too lucrative for them… a made to order wedge issue that makes it oh so easy to fleece the flock.
You would think so but they seem happier worrying about the speck in their neighbor’s eye.
Outwardly, the Right Wing jews/muslims/christians have been “trying” to get rid of homosexuality since BC/AD.
While they secretly practice it themselves. Sometimes they get caught.
The Right Wing, piety, hypocrisy, allied with Religion and big business have worked thusly since recorded history.
evidently the abortion issue just wasn’t seen as this year’s cash-cow.
It’ll be back soon enough though – a tried and true money-maker.
I sat in my chair for more than two hours today and taught a class! Might even go into my office tomorrow.
I don’t know what the fuss is about. It’s right there in the bible.
Matthew 5:
That’s the great thing about religion and churches and such. It is all about love.
in fairness, you’re correct.
Being of the non-religious sort it easy to lump em all together.
Dugg. I knew there was a Catholic component when the ads said–support for this ad has come from the Knights of Columbus–.
late night yet?
Gekke Gerrit!
here ya go teddy-a gem.
‘Blasphemous Drag Queens”
the archbishop himself, giving communion to ’sisters of perpetual indulgence’ at the most holy reedeemer church in sf. posted oct 2007 on the americans for truth website. i took a screen shot, i can’t believe they left it up.
http://americansfortruth.com/n…..gence.html
i was going to use it in a diary for tomorrow on bill donahue, but i figure with feeling so disgusted you can use a chuckle. it’s a good one. scroll down and feel the ‘outrage’ against the archbishop.
they should adjust their gaydar for teh gay bomb!
my 26–forgot to addsomething else that had me cracking up–
they give a warning to ‘be prepared for graphic photos’ from the street fair. gay porn on a catholic site, who’da thunk it?
too funny!
someone accidentally turned off the gaydar…but the morality police were there to ‘handle’ it. wonder if the same morality police were in charge of the documentation of the heathen street fair and the photo archiving?
PW’s upstairs. http://firedoglake.com/2008/11…..the-table/
The phone rings in the Vatican. The pope’s assistant picks it up, pauses a moment and hands it to the Pope: “It’s for you”. When the pope answers, he hears: “Pope, this is God. I have some good news and some bad news.” “Tell me the good news” says the Pope. “Well,” says God, “you know all the bickering over religion the Bible and all the fighting going on finally has gotten to Me so I have decided from now on, there is going to be only one religion.” “Wonderful!” says the Pope “but what could possibly be the bad news?” To which God responds: “I’m calling you from Salt Lake City!”
“DailyKos Diarist thereisnospoon “
the Diarist was actually hekebolos
This is so suspicious inasmuch as the Catholic Church doesn’t co-operate with other religions.
Now we’re getting somewhere, Teddy.
So, so, so much to do.