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	<title>Comments on: Palin Didn&#8217;t Know How Much the Clothes Cost?  Hah.  As If&#8230;.</title>
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		<title>By: sbgypsy99</title>
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		<dc:creator>sbgypsy99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cindy McCain should have given them one of her creit cards for the shopping spree: then it would truly have been “none of our business”. Big Mistake.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy McCain should have given them one of her creit cards for the shopping spree: then it would truly have been “none of our business”. Big Mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: CCooper</title>
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		<dc:creator>CCooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;‘Everything that doesn’t work goes back to the store, and the RNC is only billed for the stuff they keep.’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jane,&lt;br /&gt;
Don’t forget the restock charge!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>‘Everything that doesn’t work goes back to the store, and the RNC is only billed for the stuff they keep.’</p>
<p>Jane,<br />
Don’t forget the restock charge!</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How does the following connection between McCarthyite Bachmann and Vennes markedly differ from Obama’s connection to Bill Ayers?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, right. Ayers isn’t actually still involved in scheming to bring down the government while Vennes i still ROBBING MIDDLE CLASS people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“She’s known him several years through some connections with Twin Cities charities,” Marston said of Bachmann’s relationship with Vennes. “She knew about his attempt to turn his whole life around. It would appear that his public act of contrition wasn’t quite what it should have been.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;An FBI search warrant contends that Vennes made $28 million in commissions for recruiting five investors — including Minnesota Teen Challenge — to contribute $1.2 billion to companies Petters’ controlled through the Fidelis Foundation, a Plymouth faith-based nonprofit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In her pardon letter, Bachmann had singled out Vennes’ backing of Fidelis among his charitable works.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fidelis serves as an investment agent for other nonprofits, including Minnesota Teen Challenge, a faith-based nonprofit on whose board Vennes served until recently.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fidelis now holds $27.6 million in Petters Co. investments that may be worthless, including $5.7 million owed to Teen Challenge — a Minneapolis-based drug- and alcohol-treatment program.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In a television interview on KSTP Channel 5 last week, Bachmann said she knew Vennes through her own involvement in Teen Challenge.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How does the following connection between McCarthyite Bachmann and Vennes markedly differ from Obama’s connection to Bill Ayers?</p>
<p>Oh, right. Ayers isn’t actually still involved in scheming to bring down the government while Vennes i still ROBBING MIDDLE CLASS people.</p>
<p>“She’s known him several years through some connections with Twin Cities charities,” Marston said of Bachmann’s relationship with Vennes. “She knew about his attempt to turn his whole life around. It would appear that his public act of contrition wasn’t quite what it should have been.”</p>
<p>An FBI search warrant contends that Vennes made $28 million in commissions for recruiting five investors — including Minnesota Teen Challenge — to contribute $1.2 billion to companies Petters’ controlled through the Fidelis Foundation, a Plymouth faith-based nonprofit.</p>
<p>In her pardon letter, Bachmann had singled out Vennes’ backing of Fidelis among his charitable works.</p>
<p>Fidelis serves as an investment agent for other nonprofits, including Minnesota Teen Challenge, a faith-based nonprofit on whose board Vennes served until recently.</p>
<p>Fidelis now holds $27.6 million in Petters Co. investments that may be worthless, including $5.7 million owed to Teen Challenge — a Minneapolis-based drug- and alcohol-treatment program.</p>
<p>In a television interview on KSTP Channel 5 last week, Bachmann said she knew Vennes through her own involvement in Teen Challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
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		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I LOVE the picture:  “Kobe watches Fox so you don’t have to.”  (But I am tempted to call the SPCA on you for making him watch!  haha)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE the picture:  “Kobe watches Fox so you don’t have to.”  (But I am tempted to call the SPCA on you for making him watch!  haha)</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 19:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.michiganmessenger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mimsg_eiachart2008gasprices_16sep08.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here’s a chart&lt;/a&gt; that shows the point at which oil began its descent in price.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Definitely speculation, and I’m betting that a few people in the administration made a chunk of money on it.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.michiganmessenger.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/mimsg_eiachart2008gasprices_16sep08.jpg" rel="nofollow">Here’s a chart</a> that shows the point at which oil began its descent in price.</p>
<p>Definitely speculation, and I’m betting that a few people in the administration made a chunk of money on it.</p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
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		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please don’t get me wrong; I know the darkside is always at work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the simple fact is the world is awash in oil right now; tankers full of the stuff sit offshore because they have no buyers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And with demand indisputably down, hopefully they will stay low (below $3/gal) over the next 12-18 months.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One other fact in our favor is the two oilmen are leaving the White House.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At least we’ll have a &lt;em&gt;chance&lt;/em&gt; at a sane energy policy going forward.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don’t get me wrong; I know the darkside is always at work.</p>
<p>But the simple fact is the world is awash in oil right now; tankers full of the stuff sit offshore because they have no buyers.</p>
<p>And with demand indisputably down, hopefully they will stay low (below $3/gal) over the next 12-18 months.</p>
<p>One other fact in our favor is the two oilmen are leaving the White House.</p>
<p>At least we’ll have a <em>chance</em> at a sane energy policy going forward.</p>
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		<title>By: Staggerlee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Staggerlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:22:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I thank you for your replies STTP and appreciate your clarifying some of the reason gas prices are plummeting. However, I’m afraid I just don’t share your optimism that gas prices will stay low after the election. I’m sure there will be something somewhere in the world that they can use for a reason to spike prices again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thank you for your replies STTP and appreciate your clarifying some of the reason gas prices are plummeting. However, I’m afraid I just don’t share your optimism that gas prices will stay low after the election. I’m sure there will be something somewhere in the world that they can use for a reason to spike prices again.</p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
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		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I’m not comfortable saying they will stay &lt;em&gt;this&lt;/em&gt; low (we’ve got $2.19 regular in some places) I certainly don’t see us going back over $3 anytime soon because the things that forced gas over $4 in the first place just don’t exist anymore.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It never was totally about ’supply and demand’ as we were fed constantly in the first place as I point out in my response to you @108.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The days of 30 or 40 to 1 leverage are long gone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now I agree that things should be done to keep prices from running away when supply does become an issue again. There should be &lt;em&gt;no&lt;/em&gt; slowdown in alternative fuel projects and vehicles.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If we can keep demand low, this will buy us the time necessary to make the changeover.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I’m not comfortable saying they will stay <em>this</em> low (we’ve got $2.19 regular in some places) I certainly don’t see us going back over $3 anytime soon because the things that forced gas over $4 in the first place just don’t exist anymore.</p>
<p>It never was totally about ’supply and demand’ as we were fed constantly in the first place as I point out in my response to you @108.</p>
<p>The days of 30 or 40 to 1 leverage are long gone.</p>
<p>Now I agree that things should be done to keep prices from running away when supply does become an issue again. There should be <em>no</em> slowdown in alternative fuel projects and vehicles.</p>
<p>If we can keep demand low, this will buy us the time necessary to make the changeover.</p>
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		<title>By: BooRadley</title>
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		<dc:creator>BooRadley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks Jane. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope FDL keeps hammering on this. It will be front and center in the Republican primary race for governor of Alaska. It also sends an important message about “conspicuous consumption.” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Palin_Didn_t_Know_How_Much_the_Clothes_Cost_As_if&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;digg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Jane. </p>
<p>I hope FDL keeps hammering on this. It will be front and center in the Republican primary race for governor of Alaska. It also sends an important message about “conspicuous consumption.” </p>
<p><a href="http://digg.com/2008_us_elections/Palin_Didn_t_Know_How_Much_the_Clothes_Cost_As_if" rel="nofollow">digg</a></p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
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		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 16:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;But seriously folks, I’ve heard no discussion on why the price of a gallon of gas has taken a nose dive off a steep cliff. Oh I’ve heard the standard line about how the economy is tanking so gas prices are following the trend and how we’re all using less gas.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Very astute of you to not believe the ‘economy is tanking’ bullshit.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, the economic slowdown is contributing, but as I have pointed out before the main reason has to do with the exit of speculators from the oil futures contracts.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Once their enablers (Lehman Bros., Merrill Lynch, etc.) collapsed, they could no longer get the 35-1 leverage they were using to drive prices up in the first place.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It’s funny how as prices went up to $147/bbl all you heard was “China &amp; India, blah, blah, blah”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, sure China and India’s growth is slowing, but from 8-10%/yr. to maybe 4-6%/yr.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While in the meantime, gas is down more than 50% in less than 3 months.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It was (and I seem to remember Hugh pointing this out as well) all bullshit, and now many of the hedge funds are throwing “Going out of business” sales, which is driving prices of oil (and unfortunately many other stocks) down.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But seriously folks, I’ve heard no discussion on why the price of a gallon of gas has taken a nose dive off a steep cliff. Oh I’ve heard the standard line about how the economy is tanking so gas prices are following the trend and how we’re all using less gas.</p>
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<p>Very astute of you to not believe the ‘economy is tanking’ bullshit.</p>
<p>Yes, the economic slowdown is contributing, but as I have pointed out before the main reason has to do with the exit of speculators from the oil futures contracts.</p>
<p>Once their enablers (Lehman Bros., Merrill Lynch, etc.) collapsed, they could no longer get the 35-1 leverage they were using to drive prices up in the first place.</p>
<p>It’s funny how as prices went up to $147/bbl all you heard was “China &amp; India, blah, blah, blah”.</p>
<p>Well, sure China and India’s growth is slowing, but from 8-10%/yr. to maybe 4-6%/yr.</p>
<p>While in the meantime, gas is down more than 50% in less than 3 months.</p>
<p>It was (and I seem to remember Hugh pointing this out as well) all bullshit, and now many of the hedge funds are throwing “Going out of business” sales, which is driving prices of oil (and unfortunately many other stocks) down.</p>
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