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	<title>Comments on: Sandra Bernhard&#8217;s Rape Remarks Cost her Gig at Women&#8217;s Shelter</title>
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		<title>By: daveotr</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveotr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 14:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The point of Bernhard’s routine: “If it happened to her, maybe she’d feel differently.” Did Swift really think the Irish should sell their children as food?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course not but that’s not the point.  The difference is that–with the exception of incidents such as the Donner party or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFDgSKbapzY&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Monty Python sketches&lt;/a&gt;–cannibalism is an extremely rare phenomenon and the satire in Swift’s essay works because it’s so patently absurd.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sexual assault, OTOH, is sadly not as rare as cannibalism–in point of fact it’s statistically likely that quite a few members of Bernhard’s audience for that performance were survivors of sexual assault.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The point of Bernhard’s routine: “If it happened to her, maybe she’d feel differently.” Did Swift really think the Irish should sell their children as food?</p>
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<p>Of course not but that’s not the point.  The difference is that–with the exception of incidents such as the Donner party or <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFDgSKbapzY" rel="nofollow">Monty Python sketches</a>–cannibalism is an extremely rare phenomenon and the satire in Swift’s essay works because it’s so patently absurd.</p>
<p>Sexual assault, OTOH, is sadly not as rare as cannibalism–in point of fact it’s statistically likely that quite a few members of Bernhard’s audience for that performance were survivors of sexual assault.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 07:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My first post was designed to open discussion, and it has. Both sides, Bernhard and the shelter have their points in this matter–and I support the rights of both to express them. Neither party is “wrong” nor do they deserve vilification. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the center of this is that Palin has repeatedly expressed–most recently on television–that rape victims should not have Plan B (morning after pill) nor be able to terminate their pregnancy. Rape victims in Alaska were charged for their rape kits. I wonder what the shelter has to say about these matters?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The point of Bernhard’s routine: “If it happened to her, maybe she’d feel differently.” Did Swift really think the Irish should sell their children as food?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Firing Bernhard off the benefit was appropriate from the shelter’s perspective of who they are and the work they do. Again, I wonder how they feel about Plan B and termination of pregnancy when rape or incest is involved.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Both Bernhard’s comments and the actions by the shelter are examples of the rights we have in this country. Bernhard has the right to express her views; and the shelter has the right to not hire her if they don’t feel those views fit with their mission.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first post was designed to open discussion, and it has. Both sides, Bernhard and the shelter have their points in this matter–and I support the rights of both to express them. Neither party is “wrong” nor do they deserve vilification. </p>
<p>At the center of this is that Palin has repeatedly expressed–most recently on television–that rape victims should not have Plan B (morning after pill) nor be able to terminate their pregnancy. Rape victims in Alaska were charged for their rape kits. I wonder what the shelter has to say about these matters?</p>
<p>The point of Bernhard’s routine: “If it happened to her, maybe she’d feel differently.” Did Swift really think the Irish should sell their children as food?</p>
<p>Firing Bernhard off the benefit was appropriate from the shelter’s perspective of who they are and the work they do. Again, I wonder how they feel about Plan B and termination of pregnancy when rape or incest is involved.</p>
<p>Both Bernhard’s comments and the actions by the shelter are examples of the rights we have in this country. Bernhard has the right to express her views; and the shelter has the right to not hire her if they don’t feel those views fit with their mission.</p>
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		<title>By: RickinSF</title>
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		<dc:creator>RickinSF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 06:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Don’t feel bad.&lt;br /&gt;
I have never been able to comprehend the appeal of Sandra Bernhard.&lt;br /&gt;
She appeared on Letterman regularly until she didn’t anymore. Same as Sarah Jessica Parker.&lt;br /&gt;
Come to think, I don’t get the appeal of SJP, either.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don’t feel bad.<br />
I have never been able to comprehend the appeal of Sandra Bernhard.<br />
She appeared on Letterman regularly until she didn’t anymore. Same as Sarah Jessica Parker.<br />
Come to think, I don’t get the appeal of SJP, either.</p>
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		<title>By: neurophius</title>
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		<dc:creator>neurophius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:32:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks,Frank.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I really had no idea.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am popular culture-challenged.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks,Frank.</p>
<p>I really had no idea.</p>
<p>I am popular culture-challenged.</p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 04:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey Lisa,&lt;br /&gt;
 Do not be afraid to speak your mind or say something that some folks won’t like.&lt;br /&gt;
They still let me in the door and I am the antithesis of PC. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t be afraid, as my father say’s, God hates a coward.&lt;br /&gt;
Get after ‘em and when they start howlin’, yer doing it right.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lisa,<br />
 Do not be afraid to speak your mind or say something that some folks won’t like.<br />
They still let me in the door and I am the antithesis of PC. </p>
<p>Don’t be afraid, as my father say’s, God hates a coward.<br />
Get after ‘em and when they start howlin’, yer doing it right.</p>
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		<title>By: TheLurkingMod</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheLurkingMod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Attackerman is across the way!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/10/01/mccainvsmckiernan/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;When We Lock Horns, We Can Go Harder Than Busta&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Attackerman is across the way!<br /><a href="http://attackerman.firedoglake.com/2008/10/01/mccainvsmckiernan/" rel="nofollow">When We Lock Horns, We Can Go Harder Than Busta</a></p>
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		<title>By: jmsjbf</title>
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		<dc:creator>jmsjbf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:55:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;She’s an extremely unattractive, unfunny performer.  I am a liberal Democrat, can’t stand Palin, but “joking” about rape just isn’t funny or appropriate.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She’s an extremely unattractive, unfunny performer.  I am a liberal Democrat, can’t stand Palin, but “joking” about rape just isn’t funny or appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Bustednuckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bustednuckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am not shooting the messenger.&lt;br /&gt;
Thanks for pointing out some news I missed today.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not shooting the messenger.<br />
Thanks for pointing out some news I missed today.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;when Bernhard first made the comments in her routine I didn’t write about them because the only info I had was the out of context lines. I suspect from reading her statement she was trying to say “well maybe Palin would feel differently about rape kits and abortion if she were raped” hence my reference to A Modest Proposal. Though frankly the racial comment Bernhard added was disturbing to me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Was her routine funny? I wasnt there. Was it provocative? Yes, obviously. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Should it have gotten her fired? That’s up to the people who hired her. They felt her words were inappropriate (and if she had done that routine there..OMFG)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Actions have consequences. I applaud the shelter for standing up for  what they feel is correct and right for them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The graceful thing for Bernhard to do would be to make a (large)donation to that shelter if they will take her money or to a rape crisis service, perhaps one in Alaska, to help offset the costs for the victims, to be able to provide more services, etc. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And maybe charities should do more due diligence when it comes to booking talent for their benefits. Bernhard is play really blue, her work is brutal, rough and even before this, might not have been the best choice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when Bernhard first made the comments in her routine I didn’t write about them because the only info I had was the out of context lines. I suspect from reading her statement she was trying to say “well maybe Palin would feel differently about rape kits and abortion if she were raped” hence my reference to A Modest Proposal. Though frankly the racial comment Bernhard added was disturbing to me.</p>
<p>Was her routine funny? I wasnt there. Was it provocative? Yes, obviously. </p>
<p>Should it have gotten her fired? That’s up to the people who hired her. They felt her words were inappropriate (and if she had done that routine there..OMFG)</p>
<p>Actions have consequences. I applaud the shelter for standing up for  what they feel is correct and right for them.</p>
<p>The graceful thing for Bernhard to do would be to make a (large)donation to that shelter if they will take her money or to a rape crisis service, perhaps one in Alaska, to help offset the costs for the victims, to be able to provide more services, etc. </p>
<p>And maybe charities should do more due diligence when it comes to booking talent for their benefits. Bernhard is play really blue, her work is brutal, rough and even before this, might not have been the best choice.</p>
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		<title>By: Marion in Savannah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marion in Savannah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 03:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cool!  Because she was.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool!  Because she was.</p>
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