The BBC has a show called "Dinner with Portillo," and this week they decided it would be a good idea to take it on the road to New York and assemble a group which included me, Joe Klein and John Podhoretz.
Sort of like Pickett’s charge — seemed like a good idea at the time.
Anyway, we gathered in New York at the Waldorf where waiters in white jackets served us dinner while the cameras rolled. We were supposed to be talking about the relationship between Hollywood political product and real American politics, I suppose as a way to hook the British audience into the US election.
What became quickly apparent was that the BBC had no idea that JPod’s Commentary Magazine and Joe Klein were currently embroiled in a bitter war, the former having accused the latter of being an antisemite. No sooner had the dinner begun than the two were screaming at each other over the table. "You’re a shithead! You’re a shithead!" screamed The Pod. "Why don’t you just call me an antisemite? That’s what you do!" retorted Klein.
I’m shoveling food into my face to keep from laughing and thinking "my kingdom for a Blackberry."
About 10 minutes in, Portillo stopped everything and said this footage wasn’t ever going to see the light of day, and could we start over and talk more about the West Wing or something.
But this being the silly season, the conversation drifted back where it would. It was largely impenetrable, couched as it was in beltway conventionalism, but at one point it predictably wandered to the topic of what an honorable guy John McCain was.
At which point I had to inject that "honorable" wasn’t the first word I’d use to describe someone who came home after Vietnam, cheated on his handicapped wife and left her for a cheerleader beer heiress who could finance his political ambitions. JPod scoffed and said that was a liberal interpretation of the facts, and how did I know what went on between two people.
I was actually about to give him that when Joe Klein interjected, "I’ve talked to McCain about what happened and he’s deeply ashamed of what he did to his first wife."
I hadn’t heard that before. McCain has largely gotten away with saying that he "takes full responsibility for the breakup," and beyond that he "doesn’t know." And the press seems to consider it part of his sacrosanct POW experience and doesn’t touch it.
But this does raise the question — if the over 65 white women demographic is so very important to McCain right now, why aren’t there ads out there bringing this to the fore?
It does touch a nerve with women. From Cathy Meyer, who writes about divorce support:
If John McCain felt good about his actions toward his first wife, he would not be sidestepping questions about the subject. I want to know what he was thinking 30 years ago. What beliefs he held back then that helped him justify cheating on his wife and whether or not those beliefs have changed.
This is the way I view it. Thirty years ago, John McCain wanted Cindy. He did whatever he had to do to get Cindy. That included destroying his family. Leaving a wife, someone who had waited for him while he was a POW, had been severely injured in a car accident and was quite dependent on her husband. He broke up the family of his young children because his desire for a woman 17 years his junior was more important than the needs of the woman he was already married to and the needs of his children.
John McCain now wants to be president. We know from his past actions that when McCain wants something he is willing to go about getting it in an immoral way. His refusal to openly answer questions about the failure of his first marriages causes me to question whether his belief system has changed. Does he still believe that it is OK to get what you want in spite of whom you have to hurt in the process?
Female journalists like Katie Couric and Andrea Mitchell are already beginning to get crispy toward the McCain campaign and their daily caterwauling about "sexism" toward Sarah Palin. (Coming from a guy who makes rape jokes, the irony shouldn’t be hard for anyone to grasp.)
The Obama campaign killed off the 527s who would normally handle this kind of thing. But if the McCain campaign has decided that we’re going to decide this race on "character," and calling Obama a child molester is fair game, then there’s no reason why the Obama campaign can’t raise the issue themselves.





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Jane!
twolf!
So what would be the conservative “family values” interpretation for what he did? Sounds also like JPod is asserting a right to privacy. Would that extend to a woman making decisions about her own body?
Thank you Jane. Mc$hame’s treatment of his first wife needs to be front and center. I can relate to the first Mrs McC in many ways and wonder if anyone has tried to interview her or her kids.
I think if the Obama camp doesn’t completely steal the Family Values plank from the McCain ticket, right now, they’re nuts!
Lying and cheating are not family values any of us want promoted to our children.
The Democrats have the moral high ground, and need to lead with it.
Very funny Jane.
“I’m Barack Obama, and I approved this message.”
And didn’t I read somewhere that McC pays his first wife about $18,000 per year in alimony when he is worth $40m? That’s about enough to live under a bridge.
What a visual:
“You’re a shithead! You’re a shithead!”
ROFLMAO
Also, the elderly female segment of the electorate is unlikely to be charmed by the fact that McCain called his wife a “c*nt”, and did so in public.
It was very funny.
1,762 DAYZ AND THRE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
You go woman!!! EEEEY DOGGIES…am I mistaken or did Joe Klein’s statement to you make Klein a source for a legitimate question directly to Crazy John McCain? You must catapult this statement into the laps of your corporate media buddies…and did you slap that bastard JPod down to the floor and demand that he write a column on the McCrazy divorce now that he has confirmation that McCrazy is a fuckin’ lyin’ hypocrite? And did you skewer Klein to his chair about why that smarmy sack of shit didn’t write a column of his own about it when he found out?
Jeez LouEEZ, Sister Jane, how can this not blow up into front page stuff now??!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THIS IS A WAR WE HAFTA WIN!!
There are a lot of women who can relate to that scenario, including myself. I was about to turn 50 when I got the wake up call. The therapist told me that the best revenge was to go make a good life. She was right.
Hang in there and I hope you don’t run into too much traffic as you get out of town…
Wait a minute here. J McShame had a higher calling here – he was thinking of something greater than himself after his experience in the Hanoi Hilton
Don’t you people realize he’s a WAR HERO?!!!!
And a WAR HERO needs a fuckable wife.
So out with the gimp and in with the junkie!
What happened to family number one? I know some of the children (Andy, Nevada First. Not) are still around. Did Cindy support them? Or did he support them through his pension? What is the story?
From my listening to the BBC, the British news media don’t get American politics. They use the tropes, memes, and talkingpoints but in an odd way that conveys familiarity with them rather than understanding.
Cost of Rape Kit to Victim in Wasilla Alaska: $1,000
Family Values: Priceless
While the McCain campaign has attempted to make this election about character/personality over issues, I imagine this is one they’d like to avoid.
John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin really showed his true stripes.
From the first day she was announced they made a thinly veneered play at former Hillary supporters.
John McCain seems to equivocate all women into the same bloc.
Sarah Palin isn’t Hillary Clinton.
On the issues that matter most to voters in this election, they’re on opposite sides of the spectrum.
Learn the difference, vote smart.
http://www.SarahPalinISNTHillaryClinton.com
forgot the /s
dont forget Janie Dear
mummsy sued the poor crippled woman for a…………………BUTLERS TRAY
and Johnny boy did not intervene
what was that DeVitto film…RUTHLESS PEOPLE…can we explore Ruth again?
Does he still believe that it is OK to get what you want in spite of whom you have to hurt in the process?
Rush Limbaugh, Newt my wife is in the hospital recovering from Chemo, the first Miss Dole waited, McCain Hugs the guy who called his kid a Bastard. Bill’s only crime was he was willing to work it out and make the rest of these shitheads look bad!
Dang phone woke me otherwise I would have more to say I’m not awake, awake yet not sure if I should go back to sleep.
and OVER MADE UP…Trollop….irc
he has a love /hate relationship with Cindy LOu
Loves her money…hates her person
that’s almost 5x what my ex pays
Jane, you didn’t spew your lunch at that point?
I don’t have a cellphone, but I know that a lot of them have cameras. Do they make blackberries with a recording chip? That would be a feature with a lot of legs for the kind of lunch meeting you had. Just imagine.
1,762 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
In light of Joe Klein’s statement, I want to repeat the question I been screamin’ out at the top of my lungs for 2 weeks now: “Where the hell is Mrs. Clinton and why isn’t she followin Palin and McCrazy to the gates of hell??!!”
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, YA DON’T KILL FASCISM WITH LOVE!!
was this over rolls and butter or the salad course?…”g”
The “ancient history” defense doesn’t wash either.
After all Vietname is just as old.
The two questions for me are:
How persistant do you beleive “character” to be?
and
Do you really care about character when the facts are contrary to your assertion?
or (I guess this is a 3rd)
Does the thought of a black Democratic President intimidate you so much that you will cling to the thinnest thread of “character”, “experience” or “farmiliarity” to justify voting for a candidate who has clearly lised throughout this campaign about every single position he has ever taken on any issue?
This might be useful in an ad.
Of course Wasilla should have charged for the rape kits. We know that women who claim rape are asking for it or lying, so if you make them pay (especially at such high rates) to start the arrest process, you will cut out most of the spurious claims.
does your X own 12 homes?,he is exceedingly penurious with her,did NOT want to pay for her medical treatment…some men can be real Aholes
……………………………………………ag some women too
The “ancient history” defense doesn’t wash either.
After all Vietnam is just as old.
The two questions for me are:
How persistent do you believe “character” to be?
and
Do you really care about character when the facts are contrary to your assertion?
or (I guess this is a 3rd)
Does the thought of a black Democratic President intimidate you so much that you will cling to the thinnest thread of “character”, “experience” or “familiarity” to justify voting for a candidate who has clearly lied throughout this campaign about every single position he has ever taken on any issue?
I do not buy for one nanosecond that McCain is “deeply ashamed” of his behavior….just that he’s sorry it’s now potentially a part of the discussion.
John McCain lived a “Tailhook” lifestyle before marrying Carol and upon his return from Vietnam. This behavior is not uncommon among a certain segment of aviators, although is probably more hidden now than it used to be.
The best spin the Rethugs put on the Cindy story is the “he fell head over heels” in love meme. Yeah….right. He had been all over the country trolling for women. He just happened to hit the jackpot in Hawaii.
well poor dementia ridden Saint Ronnie did
LMAO.
I give you credit for trying the venue.
no, only one home, but he could compete with mc$hame in the cheap asshole category
Seems to me that if we’re looking back forty years to assert our own honor and character, we must allow the inspection of a thirty-year glance to judge behavior, too.
The lovely Sen. McCain is trying to have it both ways, and so far it’s worked — love me for my war-hero image; ignore the way I treated my family. . . “ya little jerk.”
oh yah……….and the man is a crap shooter
14 hrs per nite in Vegas at the craps tables
course OUR LIBERAL MEDIA doesnt touch that one with a 10 ft hot tub
Is Carol McCain going to write in Ross Perot for President this November?
It took the blogosphere about 5 seconds to recognize and react to John Edward’ betrayal, bad judgment, and hypocrisy when his affair came. It says a lot about the MSM that even after decades of knowing about the Keating 5, dumping his first wife, his not really being that informed about anything, wearing the $500 shoes, and playing footsie with lobbyists that they still don’t know John McCain and can be surprised that he would run the slimey campaign he has.
We’re actually seriously considering continuing Republic economics?
This Nation is not sane.
Bingo Bango Bongo !
Jane,
chuckling my butt off thinking of you wedged in between those two sasquatches
ive had a few of those…………..rather be single
its all about CONTROL
MONEY=CONTROL
and Johnnyboy is a CONTROL FREAK MIDGET like his idol Napolean
that is why he rebuked Obama last nite for NOT DOING …HIS town hall meetings
Ive met MANY Johnie McSames in my life………………many
Interestingly, I just got an e-mail with this info:
Carol McCain is quoted as saying of her former husband: “He’s a good guy. We are still good friends. He is the best man for president.”
Ross Perot, a billionaire Texas businessman, and a former presidential candidate, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics.
i don’t know of such things? can a 527 get up and running quickly? is tehre $$ lying around? moveon.org is NG. i know what obama said about mno 527’s, but all ot needs to do is get out a couple ads and obama can tell it to stop, a couple more and tell it to stop again and really mean it.
Ike is going to dominate the news tomorrow. Afterwards a great place for Obama to take over the discussion.
Citizen diablesseblu;
Let’s remind folks that Bill Clinton’s “predilections” were legitimate “news” stories…the first marriage and McCrazy’s affair with Cindy are now legitimate stories.
twolf1
That’s a good one about Perot. I wish he would speak up about his view of McCain. Used to be married to a USNA grad. The good guys among them are, and have been, appalled by McCain for years.
good point
Jane, you should have bribed the camera guys to make you a copy of the tape on the sly. I hear the BBC doesn’t pay very much, so they’d probably welcome the extra income. And it would make an hysterical Youtube video!
Johnny boy can no more intervene than the family dog. He is her POW pet.
Left you a reply at Attaturks
I’m leery of Obama doing anything like this directly. A few weeks back, during the DNC, Brian Williams had a predictably deferential interview with McCain in which he brought up what was preying on all our minds: Your wife Cindy has said she is offended by the way Democrats are portraying you (to which I would say: then Cindy shouldn’t have picked this career for her husband). What was clear was that McCain, through Cindy was baiting Obama to put spouses in play. I think he’d be willing to put even the dope addict past front and center for what he think it gains him.
And didn’t I read somewhere that McC pays his first wife about $18,000 per year in alimony when he is worth $40m? That’s about enough to live under a bridge.
That sounds like an Obama commercial
this is a pretty good read re advice on what dems need to do to counter all this palin / morality bs
http://edge.org/3rd_culture/ha…..index.html
For all you pups in Texas, and especially Galveston, stay safe. Better yet, just get the hell out of Ike’s way!
When a congressperson decided to not run for reelection in AZ Cindylou ran out and bought a house in that district so McShame could run for congress.
Since Cindy lou’s ex-con father was still alive, did she buy it with her money or her dad’s.
’struth, Hugh. Well said.
The master of all things evil is Karl Rove, who is of the opinion that one should attack the opponent’s strength, which he did to great advantage against John Kerry — he turned Kerry’s military heroism into a liability. So, what would Rove do to McCain? Well he already used the highly effective black-bastard attack. So, he’d probably go after McCain’s POW experience. And what would he have to work with:
– McCain admits that he broke under “harsh interrogation” and made an anti-American confession contrary to the nation’s POW code of conduct.
– There are claims that he gave out military secrets, but I’ve not seen proof.
– It is well documented that came back and dumped his wife who had stood by him through that time.
I’m sure that the master could work that into quite a devastating attack.
kinda refreshing to know they argue over something other than the ‘58 vs ‘64
Lafitte-Rothschild for the meat course
527s now please.
great explanation
this whole sureal campaign has the CARNIVAL atmosphere,marks,slight of hand and lotsa FREAKS(KKKRovefor instance) poor America
the media are the scallywags?
Heh. “This is old wine, bring me the new stuff!”
As Brian Williams, Charlie Gibson, and Katie Couric show us on a daily basis, there is no news media in this country, propaganda, infotainment, yes, news, no.
20 million divided by 6,700 is?
As a US citizen I’m deeply offended that the media doesn’t care who or what is elected as the freeworld leader…the media had no conscience in 2000 or 2004 and is less concerned about the survival of democracy in 2008 than before. As far as being a POW qualifies a person to become President I have heard of a former POW that is a felon.
and NOT FOR
Palin’s town billed rape victims to get evidence
By MARY PEMBERTON
Associated Press Writer
AP Photo/Eric Risberg
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — When Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, the city billed sexual assault victims and their insurance companies for the cost of rape kits and forensic examinations.
Palin had been in office for four years when the practice of charging rape victims got the attention of state lawmakers in 2000, who passed a bill to stop the practice.
Former Democratic Rep. Eric Croft, who sponsored that bill, said he was disappointed that simply asking the Wasilla police department to stop didn’t work. Croft said he doubts she was unaware of the practice
The Media think that they are the tough realists like Don Knotts as Barney Fife they all cheer the tough guy its why they gave Bush a pass for years he is the ultimate Barney Fife.
Don Knotts to play Bush for the movie would have been perfect!
McCain has largely gotten away with saying that he “takes full responsibility for the breakup,” and beyond that he “doesn’t know.” And the press seems to consider it part of his sacrosanct POW experience and doesn’t touch it.
*******************
what the hell does that EVEN MEAN?
i take responsibility…..
McShaME continues to make a big deal that he CHOSE to not be released early
To do so would have put him in violation of the military manual. He would have been subject to disciplinary action had he accepted.
cept he is a STONE COLD MURDERER…animal abuser
yup
thousands did the same….thousands
McCainiac’s control issues likely relate directly to having no control over his life during those Hanoi Hilton years. Hence the reckless partying, the boo-yah barbeques, the razzle-dazzle.
The personal lifestyle, unfortunately for us, is twinned with the same reckless crapshootin’ attitude to governance.
And I don’t want to live inside John McCain’s personal nightmare and overcompensation for it.
It means Cindy is a sucker and was willing to pay her husbands alimony and or buy him $500 shoes etc to more than make it up to him.
Dad bought it,and a GET OUTA JAIL FREE CARD
More “high-road” bullshit.
And we wonder why we keep getting our asses handed to us election after election.
I was talking to my partner last night and she said simply, “l’ll do my part and vote but if McClusterfuck wins, we deserve him.”
We’re already losing, there’s 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter and Obama just said Lawrence Taylor, Ronnie Lott and Fred Dean will be benched.
McCain 325 Obama 215.
And we don’t even get a lovely parting gift.
Does anyone know what John & Carol’s daughter Sidney is doing?
I don’t hear much about her.
it is a way to cut off ALL DISSCUSSION imo
“Character” was the defining issue in Washington during the Clinton years. Why is it off limits now?
If those years in Hanoi Hilton presented an opportunity for McSame to reflect on the meaning of his life, we have to assume that he decided that family was not at the top of his list of priorities.
He has no family values.
Wangdangdoodle, Greenwarrior, YellowdogJim and I are all out of the direct path. Gnome de Plume and cbl2 are also probably safe.
My son and I are planning to spend the weekend with friends.
keep your powder dry
spot on
Cindy wants the respectability of being 1st lady. John wants to outrank his Dad a marriage made in heaven.
Having met Regan and GHW in the White House during Reagan’s second term, I can tell you it was not a pretty sight. He seemed not to be fully in charge of himself even then.
They only people who wonder any more are dem strategists and handlers.
{{{{{keep safe}}}}}
last hurricane drove me and my furry critters litterally out of Fl.for good
hope it wont be to bad,we are here for you ,if you should need us!
amen. why aren’t the media quisslings asking about the character it takes to embrace “agents of intolerance”
the guy thinks Fidelity is an S/L that went down with Keating
after he was shot,he went down hill very rapidly,should have been forcibly retired
Betsy – After reading about Cindy McCain’s stroke four years ago and the efforts she made to get back on her feet, I wonder if she was thinking about the first Mrs. McCain and John McCain’s response to HER injuries. Part of me thinks that she felt she had better get back to ‘looking normal’ ASAP before Johnny decided he wanted someone else….again.
Glad you all are out of harm’s way.
When the weather service starts saying things like “face certain death,” it’s probably a good idea to take them seriously.
Vicki Eiseman?
You and Joe at the same table . . . what does he think of all those Jokeline contests in the day of yore.
thanks Jane that was funny
thank you. i live in a fairly large and loving community. good friend even invited me to share his bed if i need a place to go. oy!
Oh, believe me, I am. But Obama just dumped all his in the water trough. All this crap about not running a negative campaign just gives the ‘pukes more ammo when he finally unleashes the 527s (which he’ll have to). And for god’s sake, he’s from CHICAGO, home of the dirtiest politics this side of Karl ROve.
“No politics as usual.”
No win either.
Better buy an RV to live in now, folks, because we’re gonna be Brazil ‘85 in four years. Why, Az., here I come.
indeed. my husband could only handle a disabled wife for about two years before he bailed.
Christy has a brand new post at the mothership.
they are so unpredictable,the won that got us Wilma spawned many tornadoes,i literally held the glass door (shutter broke) with my mattress,and big BUTT for 2 and 1/2 hours…crying the whole time
Bush is also a bumbling idiot who thinks he is tough and Don Knotts gots that down perfect, the contrast of Don Knotts playing a stone cold animal abuser and murderer with his Barney Fife persona would make for great comedy.
We must laugh at our enemies the only true enemy of the Overman as Nietzsche might say is men with small minds and timid hearts ruled by fear who try and spread there values to the rest of us.
What makes Bush evil is the small place that his actions come from and his small actions.
NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) — Foreclosures hit another record high in August: 304,000 homes were in default and 91,000 families lost their houses.
More than 770,000 homes have been repossessed by lenders since August 2007, when the credit crunch took hold.
How do you like using “McPain” as the new catchall?
well we got 50 days and as one of the incredibly smart firepups …LS i think said……………Gloss is off the PIGS LIPS,and McDummy is just unwatchable
i guess my hate and revulsion of him is just too strong
me likey
Has anyone noticed that McSame’s spokeperson, whassername?., looks like his “type”. I wonder . . .
HAD ENUF vote Obama
want MORE PAIN vote Mc$$$ame
they all look the same…vacuous,starry eyed and tape recorded loop runs through their vocal cords (like Dana Peroxide)
its really freaky
I feel the same way but I have to laugh at him for being a weak fool:)
thats good…mebbe some day when this nightmare is over ill join you…”g”
Jane, thank you for bringing us this flyonthewall perspective. Funny stuff. Two grown men in a food fight calling a truce to say how honorable McNasty is…precious.
Interesting. I didn’t know the first Mrs. McCain was a model. Then she became “flawed” and dumped. I think she stays quiet so as not to bring on the McNasty winged monkeys. McCain isn’t just a womanizer, he’s an abuser.
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“The Obama campaign killed off the 527s who would normally handle this kind of thing.”
Stupid move. that’s some stupid we can believe in.
“My dinner with Jane”, the movie.
A full serving of irony, hilarious and sad, white-coated waiters and all.
‘At which point I had to inject that “honorable” wasn’t the first word I’d use to describe someone who came home after Vietnam, cheated on his handicapped wife and left her for a cheerleader beer heiress who could finance his political ambitions.’
Wow. Great stuff. Thanks for that link.