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	<title>Comments on: Carville Says McCain Too Honorable To Know About Attack Ads</title>
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		<title>By: CitizenE</title>
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		<dc:creator>CitizenE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 00:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;But John McCain is an honorable man. And besides Obama used the word, lipstick, which, like the phrase Prisoner of War, is the copyrighted brand name for his campaign.  Let’s go invade Russia–Napolean and Hitler did very well there.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But John McCain is an honorable man. And besides Obama used the word, lipstick, which, like the phrase Prisoner of War, is the copyrighted brand name for his campaign.  Let’s go invade Russia–Napolean and Hitler did very well there.</p>
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		<title>By: lllphd</title>
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		<dc:creator>lllphd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;um, i dunno.  i can actually see this playing well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i mean, i don’t exactly love carville, and his allegiances are not at all clear in the larger picture.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but regardless of his true feelings and his intent, there is a way in which this can play against mccain, in that all these people are so shocked, SO shocked that his campaign would run something this base, this depraved, that they are forced to rethink the man, and his character.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s already begun.  numerous pundits and columnists have hit the threshold and admitted that, gosh, maybe they never really knew the man after all.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this could actually be good because, (a) it suggests he’s been playing the media and everyone else all along, and (b) it puts him between a rock and a hard place.  to whit:  if he sticks by the ads, he’s trashed by yet more of these folks who finally see the light, and his love affair with the media is over, toast.  but if he doesn’t stick by them, and denounces them, he’ll be forced to clean up his act and maintain clean campaigning from here on out.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;which will also be his death, because that is all they have right now, folks, trash.  trash and lies.  there is nothing else.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;maybe carville knows all this, more likely he doesn’t.  but let him rant and rave.  i can see only good coming from it for obama, and only bad for mccain, who brought it all on himself anyway.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>um, i dunno.  i can actually see this playing well.</p>
<p>i mean, i don’t exactly love carville, and his allegiances are not at all clear in the larger picture.</p>
<p>but regardless of his true feelings and his intent, there is a way in which this can play against mccain, in that all these people are so shocked, SO shocked that his campaign would run something this base, this depraved, that they are forced to rethink the man, and his character.</p>
<p>that’s already begun.  numerous pundits and columnists have hit the threshold and admitted that, gosh, maybe they never really knew the man after all.  </p>
<p>this could actually be good because, (a) it suggests he’s been playing the media and everyone else all along, and (b) it puts him between a rock and a hard place.  to whit:  if he sticks by the ads, he’s trashed by yet more of these folks who finally see the light, and his love affair with the media is over, toast.  but if he doesn’t stick by them, and denounces them, he’ll be forced to clean up his act and maintain clean campaigning from here on out.</p>
<p>which will also be his death, because that is all they have right now, folks, trash.  trash and lies.  there is nothing else.</p>
<p>maybe carville knows all this, more likely he doesn’t.  but let him rant and rave.  i can see only good coming from it for obama, and only bad for mccain, who brought it all on himself anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh come on, he’s sleeping with the enemy!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve never understood why anyone would give this guy is a democratic consultant job description - he never was and never will be. He is a Clinton political consultant, through and through. He’s married to Mary Matlin for chrissakes. I don’t understand why anyone on a democratic ticket lacking Hillary Clinton would ever believe anything he might say would ever be in their best interest.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh come on, he’s sleeping with the enemy!</p>
<p>I’ve never understood why anyone would give this guy is a democratic consultant job description &#8211; he never was and never will be. He is a Clinton political consultant, through and through. He’s married to Mary Matlin for chrissakes. I don’t understand why anyone on a democratic ticket lacking Hillary Clinton would ever believe anything he might say would ever be in their best interest.</p>
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		<title>By: RevBev</title>
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		<dc:creator>RevBev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;And Carville is bright and amusing….and maybe crazy.  It’s like saying do you really believe your lying eyes?  Ridiculous.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Carville is bright and amusing….and maybe crazy.  It’s like saying do you really believe your lying eyes?  Ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Cacambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cacambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What team is he on? &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Probably Joe Biden’s team - the fierce attack dog of the Obama-Biden campaign had this to say about their rival recently:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;John McCain is my friend,” said the loquacious Blue Hen. “I admire John McCain. I know of no man or woman I have ever met that has more personal courage than John McCain. We have been friends for over 33 years. We have traveled together. When John was Navy liaison he staffed me for three or four years everywhere I traveled in the world.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“But he’s a great guy,” Biden said, “and if John called me today and said ‘Joe -,’ like when they went after John McCain, when Bush went after him in South Carolina with the scurrilous comments they made about his character, I called him and said, ‘John, where do you want me? I’m an Al Gore man but where do you want me? I will show up anywhere in America to testify to the kind of man you are.’ And he is a good man, he is a good man.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/oh-that-joe-n-4.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit.....e-n-4.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, they are inspiring America with their bi-partisanship this campaign season.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Surely the 22% of the populace that still do not despise Bush will appreciate how they are being catered to by the Senior Senator of Change and the Junior Senator of Change, and they are just the types that need to be won over.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Carville’s message would be even stronger if he did not so resemble something from the fiction of Anne Rice, however.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What team is he on? </p>
<p>Probably Joe Biden’s team &#8211; the fierce attack dog of the Obama-Biden campaign had this to say about their rival recently:</p>
<blockquote><p>John McCain is my friend,” said the loquacious Blue Hen. “I admire John McCain. I know of no man or woman I have ever met that has more personal courage than John McCain. We have been friends for over 33 years. We have traveled together. When John was Navy liaison he staffed me for three or four years everywhere I traveled in the world.”</p>
<p>“But he’s a great guy,” Biden said, “and if John called me today and said ‘Joe -,’ like when they went after John McCain, when Bush went after him in South Carolina with the scurrilous comments they made about his character, I called him and said, ‘John, where do you want me? I’m an Al Gore man but where do you want me? I will show up anywhere in America to testify to the kind of man you are.’ And he is a good man, he is a good man.”</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/oh-that-joe-n-4.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit&#8230;..e-n-4.html</a></p>
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<p>Yes, they are inspiring America with their bi-partisanship this campaign season.</p>
<p>Surely the 22% of the populace that still do not despise Bush will appreciate how they are being catered to by the Senior Senator of Change and the Junior Senator of Change, and they are just the types that need to be won over.</p>
<p>Carville’s message would be even stronger if he did not so resemble something from the fiction of Anne Rice, however.</p>
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		<title>By: demi</title>
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		<dc:creator>demi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:41:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;re: Not ready for prime time.&lt;br /&gt;
Oh, man, that’s for sure!  I think her place on this ticket has pushed many of us, I know for me that’s the case, over the edge.&lt;br /&gt;
I actually have nightmares about that woman and for the (what I perceive as EVIL) people lifting her as the cheerleader for a very narrow minded, cowardly group of elitist fraidypants.  So, they are welcoming Armegeddon?  Fine for them, but I wish they’d leave the rest of us to a future of our own divining.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: Not ready for prime time.<br />
Oh, man, that’s for sure!  I think her place on this ticket has pushed many of us, I know for me that’s the case, over the edge.<br />
I actually have nightmares about that woman and for the (what I perceive as EVIL) people lifting her as the cheerleader for a very narrow minded, cowardly group of elitist fraidypants.  So, they are welcoming Armegeddon?  Fine for them, but I wish they’d leave the rest of us to a future of our own divining.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If you’re talking about the one he did at MTP with Brokaw, I agree with you.  Thought he did a great job with getting the point across that as long as we’re all talking about extraneous stuff, she doesn’t have to and hasn’t expressed anything about her policies, the direction she would want to take the country, or anything substantial.  And I’m personally very tired of watching her dodge interviews with tough questions.  If she can’t give an impromptu interview without putting her foot in her mouth, that’s something the country needs to know too, so we’re gonna haveta keep prodding them and goading them with remarks about the Diva needing deference and her not being ready for prime time, or she’d be out there already.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you’re talking about the one he did at MTP with Brokaw, I agree with you.  Thought he did a great job with getting the point across that as long as we’re all talking about extraneous stuff, she doesn’t have to and hasn’t expressed anything about her policies, the direction she would want to take the country, or anything substantial.  And I’m personally very tired of watching her dodge interviews with tough questions.  If she can’t give an impromptu interview without putting her foot in her mouth, that’s something the country needs to know too, so we’re gonna haveta keep prodding them and goading them with remarks about the Diva needing deference and her not being ready for prime time, or she’d be out there already.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not to mention this so-called honorable man has large numbers of those lobbyist critters in his campaign, and he’s running one of the most smarmy, low-down dirty campaigns of our times.  Lying, cheating and stealing is rampant amongst his closest associates, his running mate, and he’s been caught at it himself before he learned the art of discretion.  That’s not honorable; that’s more of the same.  He learned from his past opponents, and he’s applying it now.  Maybe that’s why he says he knows how to fight to win a war, because he’s sure never demonstrated that skill, or the one where he knows how to prevent any further attacks on our continent, either.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention this so-called honorable man has large numbers of those lobbyist critters in his campaign, and he’s running one of the most smarmy, low-down dirty campaigns of our times.  Lying, cheating and stealing is rampant amongst his closest associates, his running mate, and he’s been caught at it himself before he learned the art of discretion.  That’s not honorable; that’s more of the same.  He learned from his past opponents, and he’s applying it now.  Maybe that’s why he says he knows how to fight to win a war, because he’s sure never demonstrated that skill, or the one where he knows how to prevent any further attacks on our continent, either.</p>
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		<title>By: cinnamonape</title>
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		<dc:creator>cinnamonape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would bet that Mary Matalin was involved in the production of the AD!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would bet that Mary Matalin was involved in the production of the AD!</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
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		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If John McCain were ever honorable, he’s long since given himself up to the expedient, the easy, the self-aggrandizing, the petulant way.  Stop pretending it would be a shame to lose to him, or you will.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If John McCain were ever honorable, he’s long since given himself up to the expedient, the easy, the self-aggrandizing, the petulant way.  Stop pretending it would be a shame to lose to him, or you will.</p>
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