Don’t disagree with your assessment on her being formidable. I do think that the facet is dripping now and the shine will start coming off of her.

Obama and Biden need to respond but also put McCain on the defensive. And the they have strong voices who can take her on. They need to make the point that right now she is learning about foreign policy because she had no interest in it prior to this time. Janet Napolitano meets regularly with Mexican governors. Does Palin even know who her counter part across the Bering Strait is? What does she know about the challenges of large urban areas? Farm policy? She knows nothing.

Have to agree. All the lies and the scandals brewing in Alaska also have potential to derail her. Right now she is still largely unknown. I think people may like her a lot less once they get to know her. More importantly, we need to focus on the top of the ticket and keep slamming McCain hard, fast, and from all directions. Obama campaign needs to go into attack mode now.

I think we are all watching Bill Maher. Whew!

Your earlier post today emphasized not getting caught up in trying to beat her. That advice is still sound 12 hours later. The real focus needs to be on McCain and the issues. Nobody is beating the drums about the deficit. The Republicans are playing a shell game of claiming that they aren’t raising taxes when they are borrowing money. Palin is going to get a lot of press but Dems. are better off showing the country how badly they are being misled about government spending. Borrow and spend is infinitely worse than tax and spend. If Dems. try to knock the halo off of Palin they are going to dig a big hole. Ignore Palin and talk about the dishonesty of borrowing money from China while claiming to be against taxes. Expose the lie to this dishonest shell game.

I don’t know if Camp Obama is peeing itself over how to counter the Palin phenomena or if they simply haven’t been watching TV or reading the news this week. They’d better figure out an appropriate response quickly though.

From Glenn Greenwald’s column today.

Every four years, the GOP unleashes unrestrained personality attacks on Democrats and exploits cultural resentments. Every four years, Democrats tell themselves that such attacks don’t work and are counter-productive. And every four years, that belief is disproven.

I’m told that Biden absolutely killed in PA today. Scrumming through C-Span now looking for it.

Her favorables are at the highest they will ever be. She can only go down fast from here, and she will crater if even some of the things we hear are true. And her cratering will sink McCain: it’s his judgment at issue, finally.

Right now, she’s the People Magazine/American Idol-like star, and America loves her as our new bright shiny new object, but when she’s shown to be an utterly corrupt, power-abusing, oil-company-loving, book-banning creationist (and maybe worse, thanks to the Enquirer) people will flee. She will be left with only Bush’s 23%ers.

And it will happen very quickly.

Think Sanjaya.

C&L’s has a clip up.

Unless I’m mistaken, they are still going with the attack McCain, ignore Palin strategy. It might have seemed like the best approach at the outset but when a dog has already taken the seat out of your pants, the next bite might prove difficult to ignore.

I’m sure you’ve all read Anne Kilkenny’s letter, but when it shows up on Snopes, it carries a little weight with the internet crowd:
http://www.snopes.com/politics…..lkenny.asp

I think backing off and just giving the proverbial rope is gonna be a good approach. Goopers ebb and goopers flow, but who can know what a gooper knows.

Well, they need to be loud, hard, and unrelenting starting now. Greenwald is right, all the policy advantage will mean nothing if we cannot derail the GOP bullshit personality narrative. Hit McCain on being a completely out of touch elitist (which he actually is). Hit him for selling out every principle he ever claimed to hold. Hit him on his consistent lack of judgment (you crashed how many planes as a pilot?).

Nice. Thanks Matt

I think you have it nailed there. She is the bright shiny object to distract us from attacking McCain.

I don’t know if Camp Obama is peeing itself over how to counter the Palin phenomena or if they simply haven’t been watching TV or reading the news this week. They’d better figure out an appropriate response quickly though.

Bullshit. Obama is running for Presiednt, not PTA chair, Mayor or Veep. Obama and Biden need to continue to do what they began today and that’s hammer the GOP’s top of the ticket man and their party’s record. Palin might be big news now, but she’s got more than enough on her plate. People have still lost their homes, jobs and security and broken bodies and monds continue to flow in from Iraq.

This about national politics, not a perky mom from Dogwhistle, Alaska. Palin has made her impact, from here it is all downhill. She adds no experience, no knowledge and no push for whomever these so-called “independent” voters.

They don’t have to counter the Palin phenomenon, they have to continue the fantastic momentum built up over the past 19 months. The GOP is going to hide Palin anyway, so attacking her head-on is a lose-lose proposition. There are plenty of excellent Democrats who can handle the light work, let Obama and Biden do the heavy lifting.

As far as canine analogies, I woke up with this one on my mind:

Sarah Palin styles herself, “A Hockey Mom: a pit bull with lipstick.” I’ve known a fair number of hockey moms (my own, included) and she’s a piker by comparison.

But, it doesn’t really matter if she is a Chihuahua with lipstick or a Great Dane in a thong; if she’s more bark than bite, she’s just a noisy dog.
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Obama’s camp would do well if they read the 63 page oppo research done by the AK Dems during the ‘06 election… Which can be found here… (warning it’s in pdf)

I can’t conceive that Palin can move off script. So she’ll be limited to staged appearances and handshaking…as much as possible.

She jumped through six colleges (five actually, she went back to Univ. of Idaho to complete her degree) in under six years. Two different colleges in Hawaii (the first one she left because “it rained every day”…so one transfers to ANOTHER school in Hawaii???). Then North Idaho, U of Idaho, an Alaskan JC, then back to the Univ. of Idaho.

She’s contradicted and switched positions numerous times on policy issues up in Alaska, and evades questions on certain issues…apparently not very subtlely.

Given that she is going to be cocooned from all but the most fawing of the Media what do you think should be the strategy to deflate her effects, Jane. After all, you’ve said not to attack her on personal issues?

BTW came across this interesting item on an Alaskan website
Todd Palin’s Alaska Permanent Fund residual. Can a person legitimately get two APF checks in a year?

Let’s keep it civil. We aren’t the opposition or the enemy.

Randy and I were talking about the college jumping today. In my twenty years of teaching and 18 years as a student, I do not think I ever knew anybody who went through that many schools. Both of us think is indicates academic or other issues at those schools.

Let’s keep it civil. We aren’t the opposition or the enemy.

Then next time read the who,e post.

I noticed McCain’s and Palin’s talking points today were identical to their convention speeches. McCain has probably already forgotten that he spoke to the convention and Palin’s speech is the only one she has had time to practice.

The fact that they can’t even create a reasonable facade of professionalism is striking. Case in point, the Walter Reed Medical School fiasco. Were you too busy to preview the backdrop Johnny or have you just forgotten what the Walter Reed Medical Center looks like?

Linkie. Lifted from a Kos thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..lykos.com/

IMO Palin appeals to and motivates a segment of the population which might not have been motivated to vote for McCain, but very likely would not vote for Obama either.
That is not to say that she has not had a positive effect on McCain’s chances, but rather to say that she presents a challenge to the Obama campaign to continue what has worked so well so far: motivating a new and previously apathetic base to turn out in large numbers.
US elections are not a zero-sum game. The key to victory is not to convert the other side, but to tap the 50% who are not voting.
You can tap the Fundie base with red meat like Palin, and you can tap the previously apathetic under 35 and non white votes with an articulate advocate such as Obama.
Let the two old white guys duke it out for what little play in their demographic. Fact is that 40+ white guys don’t switch loyalties much unless their name is Lieberman.

Thanks. C&L is a little clogged right now.

What is the latest number of schools? 4 or 5?

I don’t know how many of you missed this yesterday (9/11) but I do know I did and man it has pissed me off. How dare they use this for political gain??? I did lose someone on flight 93 (she was just 22) and I am with Keith on this one freaking rethugs have no shame and this should be shown far and wide what they have done, I know I will be sending the links to everyone I know!!!

Sure, sure, sure.

But those numbers came out before Palindrome-O-Gate!

All snark aside, I reckon all it’s going to take to reverse those numbers (and/or remove the lipstick from the stickhandling canine) is to encourage lots and lots of folks to keep sipping from that firehose flowin’ out of Fairbanks.

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I’m still standing by my “wishful thinking“ though I’d call it something else.

In fact, I’ll even repeat it *g*:

I’ve been reading that McSame’s choice choice of Palin is “good, bad, brilliant, incredibly stupid, etc.”

The MSM, as expected for a gaggle of gotcha gossips, is beside itself with joy over fresh meat.

This too will pass.

After all the circus hoopla has died down, 48-72 hours for Palin, and for McSame, no later than the end of next week with the end of the Republican convention, the rubber will finally hit the road.

As the final stretch campaigning gets underway then, Palin will prove to be the lightest of light-weights. Cue the flashbacks to Dan Quayle.

And John-boy McSame will, in essence, be campaigning all by his lonesome.

The “judgement” and “experience” issues that were to be the central thrusts of the McSame playbook will instead be inexorably turned back against him.

And the most important point? This will be by McSame’s very own hand.

Judgement? Poor will be charitable.

Experience? John-boy McSame should’ve known better.

He didn’t, and he doesn’t.

Jane, your patience with alt.mouse is commendable.
My 8 year old’s juvenile motivations are less transparent than hers.
Amazing.
Note to self – don’t pursue Constitutional law at a Midwestern party school.

I stand by my assertion that anyone who watched her speech and concluded that she would not be a formidable opponent is engaging in wishful thinking.

If not for wishful thinking I probably wouldn’t have a thought in my head (life-long GS Warriors fan, f’example).

That said, I’ll find her formidible when she handles a tough question, something the McCain campaign appears eager not to let happen.

For instance — what did she mean when she said he “shares the vision” of the secessionist Alaska Independence Party?

American celebrity culture tends to build ‘em up just to tear ‘em down.

She can run but she can’t hide…

(EPU’d at ew’s place:)

Observations from one who spent both convention weeks joyously far from any TV set or web browser: I agree with the folks who are seeing that the R’s can now feel that they cannot win this election. From the newspaper coverage the truncated, quickly retooled, and “de-politicized” RNC show read as a party attempting an oxymoronic race from its own shadow, indeed as an embarrassment at publicly displaying their very identity itself. How can you “de-politicize” a party Presidential nominating convention? You can’t. Of course in the end the Palin and McC speeches re-politicized the show with a sincere (if knowingly hopeless and therefore hollow and therefore wan) vengeance, but that they even attempted such a nonsensical “de-politicization” maneuver in the first place speaks volumes as to a thorough dereliction at the top of the R party. This ship is adrift. The oh-so-timely Katrina echo — some intelligent divinity with a memory for justice just might exist. They couldn’t even keep not one but .two. Code Pinkies out of the hall, fer Chrissakes — with signs, even. And then picking Palin without vetting — I ask ya.

Bottom line: They are clearly acting like it just doesn’t matter what they do in their Prez campaign, how completely they botch the job, however they are also not acting like they expect to lose power. That’s extremely scary.

So now I wonder what, exactly, the R’s are going to do with this un-winnable electoral situation, and I have to say their options still seem to me completely wide open. Including but not limited to any combination of the following, in no particular order: Diebolding the election; triggering a shooting war by continuing to poke the bear; generating some sufficiently successful character attack on an Obama; raising the Threat Level Candy Color Code; turning a blind eye to some impending domestic attack; overreacting to some foreign attack; launching some new adventuresome war; making some de-stabilizing announcement about the extent of existing domestic surveillance and/or D complicity in establishing same; acting or failing to act in such a way that the housing crisis and/or personal/family financial services sector are further compromised in some de-stabilizing manner. Was it Rove who told us there were a whole lot of surprises still to come?

Shameless ploys? Damn straight, but remember, at this point they have, after all, nothing left to lose by trying. LIke the man said, they don’t have to cancel the election, they just have to make it close enough to steal it. And despite all the implosion, I think they still have that within reach.

It ain’t over yet, kids. Stay glued to the ol’ wireless, keep watching the skies, keep an ear to the intertoobz, etc.

Obama graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School and spent over six months locked in a do or die battle with Hillary Clinton. He knows Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin is no Hillary Clinton. Yes she is intelligent and extremely ambitious but so is Obama. My bet is that Obama and Biden understand the power of her narrative and know that they can’t underestimate her appeal. At the same time she is going to have to learn the complexities of foreign policy and legislative action. She can’t be exposed as a know nothing so the Republicans are going to have to keep her quarantined to avoid bursting the bubble. She is going to be limited to friendly situations. The goal is to pound away at McCain’s servitude to Bush while she strokes the base. How ironic that the Republicans demonize Obama for being a rock star and then glorify their own.

“Two different colleges in Hawaii (the first one she left because “it rained every day”…so one transfers to ANOTHER school in Hawaii???).”

Hey, cinnamonape, Hawaii may be a small state, but we have dry places (leeward) as well as wet places (windward).

Palin’s second stop in Hawaii was apparently Hawaii Pacific University, which is smack dab in the middle of downtown Honolulu, which must have been culture shock to a girl from Alaska. Maybe not her cuppa tea.

Bob in HI

Time will tell. My concern is that Obama already has most of the well informed voters. Anybody who is still “undecided” probably doesn’t pay close attention and is harder to reach.

Personally, I am still cautiously optimistic Obama will win and by a larger margin than pundits are currently predicting. Having said that, McCain will be sticking with the Rove playbook for the duration and I am detecting an ominous echo of of the unanswered pummeling Kerry took in 2004.

i think that palin mostly benefits from what i like to call the “shiny penny syndrome”. she’s just too new for people to really have much other than a mostly positive opinion of her. i also saw focus group polling in which her numbers dropped once people were informed of her more extremist views. that’s the whole reason they want to keep her away from the press, the minute she starts spouting off about banning birth control and how we should teach creationism in schools she’s going to start turning off moderates big time.

60 days is a long, long time in politics. Palin is off on the right foot, but she could stumble. Everyone is starting to say she was so impressive at the RNC that she is taking the country by storm, though we have not yet seen one interview where she speaks her own words yet. McCain at a rally today I saw on CSPN looked like he was physically weak, could hardly hold his eyes open, appeared to be about ready to pass out. 60 day is a long time in politics.

The only poll worth watching is intrade:
https://www.intrade.com/aav2/trading/tradingHTML.jsp?evID=23190&eventSelect=23190&updateList=true&showExpired=false#

It moved two points but, the actual chance of Dem over Rep in general only moved one point. So the smart money is still on the Dems, hands down.

Five was the last I heard this morning, but I haven’t really been following it. It is just one more piece of the puzzle that says she is a lousy choice for VP and could well come back to bite McCain in the ass. While I do not think we should entirely ignore her, especially if she goes on the attack, but I think we should keep most of the focus on McCain. If Obama or the Dems go after her too hard the GOP will accuse them of sexism or of beating up on a defenseless girl which could resonate with some of the low information undecideds. I think the key is to undercut her credentials (keeping away from the purely personal stuff) and tie it to McCain’s lack of judgment.

HPU does have two campuses, Bob! One in Kaneohe and the one downtown!

Jane, as I commented earlier as I watched Palin I felt we (lefties) were all cast as the baddies in a sequel to a sequel to Legally Blonde. The perky underdog heroine bullied by the intellectual amoral/immoral know-it-alls … and she’ll bring us our come-uppance.

Bravado is what wins in the magic box. Her incredible grandiosity shining forth. The big smile hauling all that zealotry behind it. Zero tolerance. One more colossal ego among the neocons. Competition for Obama’s youth attraction. One more voice of the anti-intellectuals. The xenophobic, low info voter.

And MSM enthralled so they were dispensing SP kool-aid immediately. One more loose cannon in the mix. And just think… now they don’t have to stray to other profoundly serious world and U.S. events… they can “titillate” with one lazy, damn scary (for me) story. Keep the camera on SP, one 24-hour reality series.

And the soccer moms helped give GWB another term. Now we got a super hockey mom. So we got the macho patriarchal McCain as the big gruff scolding daddy, and now we have “trust me” for I am SUPER-MOMMY!

I think she will inspire women … younger women, especially … and she terrifies me. I am sending money to Obama and committing to push for Obama.

maybe we could get lucky and KKarl get to be on the hot seat on Conyers committee facing questions from A-Z… That might just make him have to think about other things???

When all one has to gauge any unknown politician by is the last speech, the MSM goes on the offense with responses from the opposition party and shuts down any relevant discussion, Sorry, I am the enemy and I will find a way to say my piece. No arguments with ya, just my opinion.

In my professional life, was an admissions person for med, then MBA, schools. Read on average 7000 apps per year. That “hopscotching” among schools during Palin’s UG years (absent some extremely well documented family concerns of tragic proportions) would be a huge red flag.

This type of record usually indicates social infractions involving mandated “take a break” or “asked to leave” issues. Reading/interpreting academic transcripts is easy. Figuring out the how/why there’s this type of cafeteria approach to a BA is more like reading tea leaves.

I think it’s the story of Palin’s adventure as Mayor into public library book banning that’s likely to hurt her the most.

All the more reason to attack her without mercy. EVERYTHING is on the table. Attack her and burn her down.

Attack until we win.

Someone who doesn’t go off script and can read the teleprompter well is an ideal front for a complete fascist takeover of the government. The concern should not be about Palin but about those who will manipulate the candidate if there is any untimely exit by McCain. Her substance is ambition and not much else. The interests that will drive the candidate and the opportunists who will jump in are the ones to watch out for. Absent the candidate’s availability for interviews (just as well), all enablers and supporters should be interrogated mercilessly.

I am sending money to Obama and committing to push for Obama.

I have worried at times that if Obama appeared to build too substantial a lead supporters might become complacent. Perhaps better to have it remain close and keep people motivated, provided it breaks in the proper direction in November.

Her checkered college career is a plus with the repuke “know nothing and proud of it” base.

True on staying away from the personal unless it touches on policy decisions then it fair game. It is not easy for some rural/small town kids to go to the big city, there is a big culture difference. Usually it is is a semester to settle in. She did graduate eventually so it may not really matter much.

I notice when Palin complains about Clinton’s whining that isn’t sexist.

OT: 10 sec quake here…no damage…

He has trained an army of Rove-lites. Karl himself is little more than an over-sized figurehead at this point.

I think the media is catching on…. McCain stopping cozying up to the media with his new beauty queen… ..another younger woman….. when she will not be allowed or wont answer questions ….. they will be hounding them….. they can’t stand to be ignored

Tonight on Olbermann, Maddow pointed out of the multiple lies that Palin and McCain keep repreating from their convention speeches. They know they are out right lying and they continue. I hope Obama nails them on this. I think the Press will react to being shut out of the McCain campaign. The MSM may be corrupted, but they don’t like to be screwed. It’s OK when the American People get short shrift, but not them. Hopefully this backfires on McCain/Palin.

As a librarian, I hope you are absolutely right.

If the GOP wants to hide Smilin’ Sarah in the wilds of Alaska, to keep her from having to offer up unscripted answers to unrehearsed questions — another proof that choosing her was cobbled together at the last minute — then the TradMed should respond in two ways. Let the junior paparazzi swarm after her as if waiting to catch her without a bikini, not giving her a moment’s peace to get a coffee at the Randy Reindeer Cafe. Let the real reporters, even the Sunday circle jerk journalists, ignore her. Completely. McCain, too, for that matter.

When Old John and Smilin’ Sarah promise not to trash the place and the take their marbles home whenever they feel like it, then maybe the TradMed should consider restoring coverage. Let’s see how long Smiley Face stays hidden in the Alaskan woods then.

I have to disagree with Jane, once the media love affair dies down (assuming it does) and she OOPS just had a jolt in San Francisco!

She gives good teleprompter, but it remains to be seen whether she can stay on script. She really has not been tested there at all, with only very limited largely well scripted appearances. The fact that the campaign is hiding her away does not indicate confidence.

Where R U?

yikes, looking for it at the usgs site for details

You and Kirk be cool and safe.
25 miles south of you, didn’t feel a thing.

was a 4.1 in berkeley

its the red box

4.1 in East Bay — no worries.

Now off to convince the cats….

Look at this way. It was her first time in front of any audience, and generally, it was good. It wasn’t great, but the MSM wants McCain to do well, so they’re over-exagerrating how great her speech was. It’s like Bush’s first debate performance in 2000. He didn’t royally screw up, but he wasn’t breathtaking either. The fact that she didn’t royally screw up is good enough for the weak, right leaning, GOP worshipping MSM.

Now, it’s all downhill from here. It’s like a rock band that has a great, classic first album, and the rest of their discography is complete s***. She’s not going to top this. And the McCain people know this. Why do you think they wisked her off to Alaska, and are trying to stall the “troopergate” scandals? And why do you think they’re not allowing her to do any interviews?

And remember it’s McCain, not Palin, who’s running for president.

McCain’s speech was horrible, one of the worst in convention history. It took all the wind out of Palin’s sails.

actually, quake in alamo, east of the oakland/berkeley area

SF – that was a short, sharp shock.

I’m with you.

No, no.
When the Republicans try and drag her family out to support their message and then whine about the response to that, all l I can say is wake the hell up to what you are doing to justify your bad decision to bring that out in the first place.
If ya don’t want to talk about it, don’t fly the potential subjects two thousand fucking miles away from Podunk Alaska to parade them in front of Forty Million potential voters who just happen to be watching the REPUBLICAN NATIONAL CONVENTION!!

I’m in Oakland near Berkeley and it wasn’t anything like a mag 4 here. When I reported it, the form said only mag II here.

Culture shock accounts for one shift, not five. I really think we should avoid as much of the personal stuff as possible even when it impinges on policy issues (troopergate does not count). It just gives the GOP more ammunition to say how elitist and nasty Dems are. Yes I know it is stupid and a doubles standard, but the press follows along with it and that is the narrative the undecideds will hear and internalize. McCain, however, is totally fair game, including personal issues.

If McCain had picked a rock, 40% would say it was a good, solid choice.

She will bring out the religious nut vote but she will also bring out plenty of women who will want to see her defeated.

About a 4 point between Concord and Oakland.

Anybody watch Bill Maher?

they now say 4.0

I wish I could agree with the Conyers will get Rove angle but today I’m hearing that Conyers failed to report some offshore rental income. Probably not a big deal but that’s all Karl and his buttbuddy Rush need to start blovating and reverse the heat.

Traditionally, the MSM response to getting kicked by the GOP has been to yell, “Thank-you sir, may I have another?” Now that the pregnant daughter distraction has passed, they are showing more interest in digging into Palin’s actual record. I think spending the week covering a convention at which they were constantly demonized might have provided some long-overdue motivation. Gwenn Ifill said on Washington Week that some RNC attendees actually shook their fists at her.

I have seen some strange happenings on FDL of late.

For example, this post was submitted to Digg 8 hours and 14 minutes ago.

Missed the east coast feed, waiting until 11 pacific

Not short nor sharp here. About 8 seconds long and rolling. Soft, as these things go.

yes

Hillary hits the trail on Monday and TPM reports she will have a lot to say to her 18 million supporters.

i have no idea how that happened neuro.. i do know the digg has been funky but was unaware they could see into the future

Ooh: recalculated at 4.2

Jumpin’ grounds of Calaveras faulty….

Hmmm, ain’t it weird how the seismic waves/enegy propagate?

During the Northridge quke, I lived about 15 (?) mi south in Santa Monica. Lots of damage in Northridge – near zero damage in some intervening area…and houses on my blockk knocked off their foundations.

OTOH, perhaps I’m just bad luck….

Sarah Palin believes that a twelve-year-old girl who is the victim of rape should be forced by the government to bear a child. Even if the rapist is the girl’s father.

McCain is gaining the social conservatives with Palin that would of, should of, been with him already. I don’t think Obama is counting on any of them.

Yes, the time on this article says 12:32 pm but it’s on top at the front page. What gives, o ye elves and LurkMods?

*wiping egg off face*

jane posted this earlier today and it was cross posted at the lake in the late nite slot for us to chew on tonight

That was Rangel. See here.

im of a mind to agree. Right now she’s a fresh face and she CAN give decent speech. I, too, wonder about their hiding her away. If she could take the intense questioning they would certainly throw her out there. I personally feel like there’s just too many question concernign her for them to take that chance.

If her presence still effects the polls a week or so from now, i think then we’ll need to be concerned. 60 days IS a long time and we should have a bit of faith in the reeally smart campaigning of Obama and his staff to be able to take her only asset away from her. Her attacks.

yep: I’m a slow typist — refresh showed 4.0

Cool, I love re-runs!

It came up at mid-day and no one but me commented at that time. It has been there the whole afternoon.

I was going to say:
Jane Hamsher – Time traveler.
But Suzanne is correct.

Hamster feed too heavy on the tachyons?

The polling is too close to the event to be of much value.

My guess is that her wing wax will melt long before November 4.

They want to mess with our heads…!

I see 4.0, not 4.2. Did you feel it?

Nah! They’re just out to get yah.

Getting back to Ms Palin, I just find her irritating and shallow. She would be a formidable opponent if she were on a sales team and she was gobbling up the best territory or the best leads, I would really fear her.

She does add a particularly unusual dynamic that must be dealt with carefully. I think so far the campaign has set the right tone concentrating on McCain.

Well, given Obama got $10 million in donations between hers and McCain’s speeches, I’m thinking she was a serious wake-up call.

Listening to her talk, with her “this is a good joke” smiling, I felt like I was watching one of those creepy commercials that shows people happily frolicking in a meadow or at the beach for some medical product, while the counterpoint narration is telling you about ghastly side effects … and it is crazymaking. Seduced by the pretty picture … minimize the SUBTEXT! Fascistic theocrat!

I know this babe is a real doozy, but we must not apply logic to the “American Idol” public. The MSM and public can forgive anything as long as you are not boring!

Superliminal computing, it’s the latest thing. My pal Linda and I are starting a new company, Predictive Recording, Inc.

Don’t miss it!

So far, that seems to be where all of his significant gains seem to be. Not even sure if that will hold. They really hate McAin, so she is going to have to continually feed them red meat to keep them motivated, which may turn off the moderates McCain needs to win.

Palin is indeed a Hail-Mary pass. But sometimes those get you back into the game. For how long is the problem for them.

And there’s logic to it. When you’re desperate, an act of desperation is sometimes indicated.

At least my issue has been resolved….. went and bought the super duper mondo wireless router…… I now have screaming speeds…. Had no idea that a failing wireless router could block a DNS…….

Her favorables are at the highest they will ever be. She can only go down fast from here, and she will crater if even some of the things we hear are true. And her cratering will sink McCain: it’s his judgment at issue, finally.

… but when she’s shown to be an utterly corrupt, power-abusing, oil-company-loving, book-banning creationist (and maybe worse, thanks to the Enquirer) people will flee. She will be left with only Bush’s 23%ers.

And it will happen very quickly.

It could happen very quickly, but we need some hard information and not speculation and mere hope. As deepthroat said, “Follow the money!”

Still, the top of the ticket need to fight it out and right now McCain is looking like the small sumo wrestler who gets shoved around. Then, when he takes a run at the big guy he just gets tossed aside like a rag doll. Set ‘em up and throw ‘em down. Fundamental aikido stuff.

Who knows, it might even lose the 23%ers.

Yep.

Correction, superluminal computing.

Nothing like a little misspelling to kill a joke dead. To the extent that it was a joke. Which seems, er, debatable in this case.

my 2 cents – palin is not dangerous because she appeals to fundies. she is dangerous because, among other things, she is from about as far away from DC as you can get and still be in the country. and people HATE dc.

1. it makes obama’s “change” theme look bogus
2. don’t forget that people hate congress as much or more than bush. she is the anti-congress running against 2 senators who have not shown any inclination to use their office for change.

Trouble. with a capital T.

Ooops, er, um, never mind. Just as I hit submit a little wave of doubt..Thanks, Doc

glad you are back katymine

If I have to hear her voice for what might be another 16 years I think I’m going to be finding myself someplace in Europe to live…… Her voice grates on me more than listening to Bush….. {{{{shutter}}}

I would really like to know what the book(s) Palin attempted to ban… from the public library… while serving as Mayor… were.

Sarah likes Moose Stew…for the rest of us “Let Them Eat Moose Turd Pie“…and like it!

Federal Appeals giving Meirs and Bolton a temporary stay until next Wednesday. They are supposed to be in front of HJC on Thursday.

TPM

Have you heard? John McCain was a POW.

Of course, he said he would never talk about that for political gain.

Hit him for selling out every principle he ever claimed to hold. Hit him on his consistent lack of judgment (you crashed how many planes as a pilot?).

Given all that can you imagine the difficult the “journalist” debate people are having in coming up with questions that don’t expose McCain as a complete fraud in just 2 or 3 minutes? How can they stretch this thing out when McCain’s people say it’s about personality, but a debate sometimes gets to real stuff, like voting records and flip-flops and crashed airplanes? It’s gonna be strange for sure.

LOL!

the fdl server host blocked my IP address again (i hope this isn’t a message). but rbg got it unblocked for me.

Obama-is-a-baby-killer will be her chant.

If you watch her closely, she does this smug little smile with her mouth that is eerily similar to what Bush does. I read her body language as being very mean underneath put on expressions. The MSM has praised her as “authentic” whereas I see her as a complete phony.

Our press has become increasingly surreal ever since Reagan was elected. I think he put something in the pressroom water coolers.

HAHAHAHAHA (inhaling) hahahha

ohmystars, thank you

i’ve been looking for that utah song

Today heard Ellen Ratner from News Talk Radio who was at the RNC….. she had to leave early during THE big speech and had a hard time getting out of the convention center because of the stampede of attendees where also fleeing which caused a traffic jam

Hey, Suz! I’m a real Beach Bum now…!

And that rhymes with “P” … and we know who that is.

Dr. Kirk recognizes the joke! I am satisfied.

my 2 cents – palin is not dangerous because she appeals to fundies. she is dangerous because, among other things, she is from about as far away from DC as you can get and still be in the country. and people HATE dc.

1. it makes obama’s “change” theme look bogus
2. don’t forget that people hate congress as much or more than bush. she is the anti-congress running against 2 senators who have not shown any inclination to use their office for change.

Trouble. with a capital T.

Yet Obama is from Hawaii and that’s a little further from DC.
Obama’s big ears are change you can believe in. His policies too.
If Obama wasn’t interested in change he could’ve stayed in the Congress as long as John McCain before running for the presidency. But, unlike those who talk change for decades there are some who understand the urgency of now and want to be president to get the change done NOW.

John McCain appears to just be capping off a career with an off-hand shot at the presidency. Barack Obama wants to be president now to get things done.

Ok, well among other things–ok they’re going to Washington to break the crockery. So let’s name names. Just what corrupt and do nothing Republicans, what lobbyists, are they going to take on? Gonna bust the Halliburton folks? Take down K Street? How about that Justice Dept? eh? Heads gonna roll? Indictments come down?

Sarah Palin will be put in charge of that; that’ll be her work. McCain with the 96 year old mother, he’ll be an Admiral again, give a whole new meaning to gunboat diplomacy, but Palin will reformer in chief. OK–so who tell us please are they going to go after? Which corrupt and do nothing Republicans? what lobbyists? Which abuse of power Cabinet members?

I assume that that expression is something they both use to perhaps keep from laughing themselves silly.

I emailed Suzanne to have someone look into it but by that time I had figured that it was something else…… I used my ATT wireless card and FDL loaded fine…. AND the other computer I have would not load it. THEN I direct wired from the modem to the laptop…..poof …. there was FDL……. tried to configure the wireless but it was unresponsive and even did the reset….. then declared it dead….. nurses can do that you know…..

sweet, writing on two blogs!

DING!

something else and since kirk is here maybe he can tell me if my hypothesis is off base.

people may want change, but when it comes to upsetting their subconscious ideas about the “natural” order of things, i’m not so sure….

in mccain/palin one has the traditional order: P/VP, male/female, older/younger, experience/no experience

obama/biden is just the opposite: P/VP, black/white, younger/older, less experience/more experience.

i wonder if that could make some people uncomfortable with obama/biden without knowing why.

Palin is the new model in the showroom. No one has a chance to test drive yet. A lot of the stuff we have been talking about here has not yet become apparent. The rethugs together wit Gustav have prevented a good look other than what has been managed. It will take a week or two for the novelty to wear off.

no earthquake in Deadwood city… musta snuck under us whilst eating (:>))

The fact that the media is covering Palin, allowing her to jump out from McLame’s skirts just long enough to throw a few sucker punches and then jump back behind the skirts again… stunning.

The idea that McCain, Palin, and the R party feel they have *the right* to trot her out for some Lie-bombs, and then DENY access to the press…. also stunning.

Hell, they could at least *try* to play some Whack-a-mole, and throw some shouted questions out there, just to force and film the refusals to answer.

Sarah Palin – jumping out from McCain’s skirts to giggle and shoot the bird to:

The Traditional Eunuch-Media.

How do these fuckers look themselves in the mirror? Lump ‘em all together, and you still won’t come up with enough to comprise a single testicle. Fuck ‘em all.

Just cross-posted right now, but, I’ve got the keys to the Beach House now and they’re prodding me…!

So would I…but unless whoever compalined to her comes forward (or the librarian recalls the specifics…doubtful since she never said what books these were) it might be difficult.

On possibility would be if her dominionist Preacher Ed Kalnins (Wasilla Church of God) railed about certain books in the library. The Church had a bunch of his sermons on their site, but stripped them off when they started facing scrutiny. But naybe someone got them and he talks about some books that are sinful.

Oh, and if books went “missing” in the library it might be the ones that were targeted. A very common strategy by the Fundamentalists is to simply steal or hide books to prevent them from being read or checked out. If they can’t get books banned they take alternative routes. Maybe someone could take a list of “banned books” check to see if these were actually in the Wasilla library collection…and then see if they still are there.

since Reagan was elected. I think he put something in the pressroom water coolers.

I remember those days and there was real political fear in the air. That might have been, could have been the beginning of the use of rigged electronic vote tabulation machines (optical scan readers). Or, it could’ve just been people liked Reagan. Who knows.

i heard that was against the geneva convention (ducking)

If you watch her closely, she does this smug little smile with her mouth that is eerily similar to what Bush does. I read her body language as being very mean underneath put on expressions. The MSM has praised her as “authentic” whereas I see her as a complete phony.

oh, i don’t think she is phony at all – my guess (stressing it’s just a wag) is genuinely cruel but friendly and charismatic so long as her will is not thwarted. i only listened to her speech, but i listened carefully (not to the words, i figure someone else wrote the speech) and no one since bush has creeped me out like that.

Just what corrupt and do nothing Republicans, what lobbyists, are they going to take on?

Oh, no no no, you misunderstand. They’re not going fight them, they’re going to take them on as employees — to work in the White House.

Think of the US Grant administration and all the corruption.

is he back on HBO???

hmn I’m not sure, myself. I do know that the discomfort might have more to do with manufactured frames that any real concern. “There’s been a rise in the nation wide coyote population. People should be concerned of this because they are very smart and can hunt in packs…” Maybe the population IS rising but should we really be concerned? Etc. A lot of what we’re concerned about someone else tells us we should be concerned about.. when in fact our loss of liberties, education, and healthcare, are more pressing than the issues they want us to focus on. Oh yeah.. shiny things ^^

She reminds me of a supervisor I had once who drove me to quit. She was so willful, and micro-managing, and her incredible narcissism and “babeness” enthralled many. She seemed to punish competence, it had the whiff or promise of ultimate disloyalty, I guess. Queen Bee syndrome.

On Eli’s post I wrote about a wnyc radio interview with Paul Ekman who says her meta-messages were CONTEMPT and HUGE SELF-SATISFACTION. And how she distilled Obama’s resume to its early phase of community organizing. And then accused him of protecting THE RIGHTS OF THE ENEMY … she and Rudy were enjoying themselves making up their own crazymaking scenarios and the audience was gobbling it up. And the 4th estate CAVED … gave Sarah their endorsement immediately… it might have made a difference.

The country can’t go through another 4 years with an incompetnent opportunistic narcissistic near the helm.

These are the times that try men’s everyone’s souls sanity.

Speaking as a cultural anthropologist, I can say that change can make many people uncomfortable. Obama, however, is not proposing radical or revolutionary change (he is a moderate centrist for god’s sake). The change he is proposing is away from the Republican created dysfunction of the past eight years. That kind of change most people can and will embrace (indeed they often seek it out). The question here is whether McCain can succeed in his efforts to paint Obama as a dangerous radical. The other issue that haunts this election is America’s legacy of racism, which still holds powerful sway among many, whether they are conscious of it or not.

Oh great. So now the fate of the world rests on America choosing between Popular Girl vs. Geeky Boy. Life really is high school over and over and over again, isn’t it?

Here’s another poll…with slightly different interpretations. Palin Effect: More Rallying The Base Than The General Public

Oh yeah. A real life Tracy Flick..but not as nice

There is also the question of exactly what change McC and Popular Girl have in mind. The people need to have it urgently brought to their attention that the candidates themselves are NOT SAYING what they’ll do exactly. I hope the press will be sufficiently irritated by the near-total snubbing they’re currently receiving to do exactly that.

She’s an extremist, literal Belief-over-Reason, talkin’ to God, ends justify the means, winning is everything, ‘Compassionate’ Conservative…

…packaged as a Diana the Huntress ’strong woman’…

…concealing the UE Princess.

Nobody should have any doubts about Sarah – imho, she’ll say and do anything to fulfill her Ambition for her Beliefs, her Mission.

She’s a Trojan Horse of an American Idol, a dog whistle blowing stealth candidate, wheeled up to the gates of a slack-jawed Gooperville.

Underneath it all, consciously but only barely hidden from sight, she’s Sarah Bush, Dominionist Rex in waiting…

…waiting on an aged man in questionable health…

America, let alone the Goopers, has no idea what they’re cheering for behind the smile that can twist into a smirk sneer, on command.

Ding. And here we all sit in the dark with our computers and glasses.

They will change from Bush and Cheney executing these ruinous policy failures to them executing these ruinous policy failures.

Time for bed. Enjoy and take care.

Bight, DD

Isn’t McCain now limited to public financing for his campaign? Palin might have generated a lot of funding right after her speech…but now everything donated has to go through to the RNC. That “might” be used for McCain-Palin…but they can use it for those non-Mavericky Senators and Congressmen, too. That might actually diminish the giving, both because of the technicalities involved and the fact that it isn’t going directly to the “Agent 99″.

oops *Night

Authoritarian Leader Queen. And just look at that sea of authoritarian followers out there ready for it. If she starts wearing leather boots, watch out — Sarah, She-Barracuda of the Great White North!

Sadly, I’m only half kidding with this. We need a psychoanalyst to help figure this thing out.

Aloha, Dr. D!

g’nite dr dick

I thought that was just for before the convention? Besides, I dont think the RNC will have much issues with money

Same here, Selise. She’s the kind of person who, in 6th grade, exults if they get to grade someone else’s paper and they find errors. “Haha, minus 2! Goody, minus 5, omg what a moron YOU are.” Petty and mean, the kind that you don’t let in to positions of power. Not if you have the sense God gave a goose.

Here’s another poll

When polls start figuring out a way to contact people who have given up landlines and have only cells (and I know a lot of people in that category – did it myself for a long time), and realize that they’re only talking to people who answer the phone without having, or letting, an answering machine screen their calls, and generally get into the 21st Century, maybe I’ll start paying attention to polls.

Though I do like yours better. heh.

“Drill Baby Drill” was a little chilling, speaking of chanting. Repub convention organizers were afraid focusing on this issue would be offputting, but the crowd was emboldened by Sarah’s “I don’t need your approval” bravado! That is the threat of SP. She is emboldening the zealots. Once again I say, the anti-intellectualism in this country is profound.

i wonder if that could make some people uncomfortable with obama/biden without knowing why.

His skin color doesn’t seem to be much of a problem, but Obama’s big ears might be a problem.

Seriously, this is one reason to use the Clintons to campaign in areas where the population is a bit older and perhaps more susceptible to that.

YEP.. here’s another salve for us.. the polls are only taken among people who are known voters. They have no way of knowing how many new voters have been registered by both campaigns. M Moores new film, Slackers, give me hope that there’s a lot of fresh handle pullers voting for the good guys this time round

Palin boosted Obama’s contributions. She probably helped McCain’s too. I am pretty lame on the financing end of it all.

I did get annoyed to hear that ATT was sponsoring lavish after-parties and entertainment after BOTH conventions. Payoff for FISA. The lobbyists continue to seduce.

I am totally depressed, after going through the eighth day of this shit.

Alaska bloggers got the information out fairly quickly, places like firedoglake, Huffpo, TPM and KOS helped turn some in the MSM onto how totally unqualified and dangerous Palin is, all did a good job.

Most impressive – to me – was this place. With just a few posts from either me or celtic diva – the fdl crew gathered facts about Palin and issued them in cogent essays.

But, as Jane observes, in the realm of positive views on this candidate, we’re still utterly failing to get the message out. I’m hoping things will change over the weekend, but with more outside journalists in alaska right now than at any time since the Exxon Valdez, they’re not making as much headway toward defining this person, as we may need.

On the woman front…… those of us who were never a cheerleader or prom queen….. does this perky™ convince people to vote for them?

Well-said! My favorite line:

She’s a Trojan Horse of an American Idol, a dog whistle blowing stealth candidate, wheeled up to the gates of a slack-jawed Gooperville.

Probably not many in the RNC crowd are concerned about global warming.

et, i have faith the dirt will surface. karma is a bitch but she always does a payback – and it sounds like sarah pissed off some people who have been waiting for a chance to do some karmic payback themselves

This is exactly what the Rovians do best. Create a new reality and get elected.

Then they fuck everything up, because all they care about is getting their hands on the levers of power.

Then they can lie, obfuscate, duck and dodge and exploit and manipulate and finger point.

They are setting us up for a close election.

A close election is a stolen election.

Jerry Falwell missed his life’s dream of an America run by person like Sarah Palin.

Old John McFool is getting punked by Rove again.

-G

ET – Has Alaska clammed up, or are the ‘investigative reporters’ looking in the wrong places?

It is early and she has time to open her mouth and sink the ship.

Did Don Young win?

Sarah Palin is a narcissist. No doubt. Of the Bush brand. Her knocked up daughter takes her strenght from her mother. Any real mother would keep her daughter from this public shame…..unless, of course, that Palin really does feel that teen pregnancy really is a gift from God and that the gum-chewing “I’m a f#cking redneck” eventual shot-gunned bad boy is the epitome of what we all want for our daughters. I guess that I just come from another time. I taught my daughters to be better. And I wouldn’t have had them on stage. And if they were on stage for public reproval, I’d like if they blushed.

If it is proven that Governor Sarah Palin broke Alaska law to gain access to a state employee’s personnel file, and the fact of that violation is widely published, she could be hurt politically. How much I won’t guess. There is some public awareness of Dick Cheney’s disregard for privacy and secrecy laws that he dislikes or finds to be hindering, and those who don’t like such lawlessness would not want another vice president like Cheney.

Pointing out how much personal information might be accessible to a vice president, or a president, would not be a bad idea.

Obama, however, is not proposing radical or revolutionary change (he is a moderate centrist for god’s sake).

i meant wrt optics, not policy.

the obama/biden ticket looks different wrt traditional order. policy-wise i don’t see the change, but that’s another discussion.

the mccain/palin ticket looks more conventional wrt traditional order.

Wow – what an interesting hypothesis. Comfort with novelty / need to maintain constant surroundings can be viewed as (repsecctively) two ends of a continuu. We humans are distributed along that continuum.

The degree of comfort with novelty/change correlates (roughly) with decreased anxiety (this is a gross over-simplification, but good enough for 10 PM on a Friday night).

Biologically speaking, both ends of the “capacity to feel anxiety” continuum are so easily discerned from the bulk of folks in the middle as to get their very own DSM-IV labels.

People with “antisocial personality disorder” appear to be deficient in the capacity to feel anxiety about anything. Folks with “anxiety disorders” have unsually strong responses to stimuli/changes most others will find unremarkable.

Autism and other phenomonologically defined “devlepomental” disorders in which one manifestion is need for minimal environmental variablity are so complex that I’m just not gonna address ‘em here: I don’t know enough the biological basis of that obseerved manifestation).

I’d be curious to know what sort of biologically robust (fMRI and robust dx instrument – such as the ADIS) asessments correlating comfort with political novelty with presence/absence of anxiety may have shown.

Of course, as with most good questions, I’m totally ignorant of the answer….

Anybody seen the new cover of The Atlantic? Extremely deceptive depiction of Obama as angry militant and McCain as cool elder statesman.

I am so impressed with circulating emails from your fellow Alaskan citizens. Earnest and well-informed. But applying logical information to a “media frenzy” is like shouting into a hurricane.

It appears his slim lead will hold. That is good. I think the most recent reliable poll shows Berkowitz up on him by eleven, but young has been preparing to run against Berkowitz since last November, and he’s one of the dirtiest fighters there is.

I have a solution to the drill baby drill crowd……. find out where they live….. have that big 18-wheeler with the oil rig & drill backed right up in their front yard….. 5:30am with that big BEEP, BEEP, BEEP sound and start drilling….. Hey they wanted it…… now they have it……

Low infor Americans are buying into the Legend of Sarah Palin as easily as they got hoodwinked by the Iraq war.

Same tactics, roll out and sales job.

I really and becoming convinced that the nation has gone mad.

-G

ET, have you read Mudflats too…?

mm. i thought i saw something about the Alaskans coming out with that report on Pailin 3 weeks ahead of time, also. Someone’s sure mad at her up there.

Sleep well, Dr Dick.

my suggestion – probably not worth much, but it’s the only one i have:

palin may be an outsider to dc – but that’s where her heart is and where she wants to go. there’s just not enough opportunity for graft. she wants to go where the big bucks and the big corruption is.

something to tie her to same old same old corruption. right now she looks too much like an outsider.

Well, this is pretty horrific.

es has late late nite up at the mothership

Ed – you guys have done a great job. I don’t think that there is room for complacency about Palin. But at the same time it’s important to realize that candidates usually get a post-convention bounce no matter what happens at them. McCain bounced back from Obama’s bounce…but the polls only show him drawing equal. That means that if things go as normal the “excitement” will fade…and things will shift back to people focusing on tangible issues to them.

Keep digging. BTW did you see that item about Todd Palin getting two APF residual payouts in 2003? Is that possible?

I think everybody’s right to say keep the focus on McCain. She can whoop up the faithful but i don’t think she’ll do all that much to pull in Dems Indies and Undecideds. Sure, some. But not worth re-focusing the campaign over. Jane’s right. Don’t underestimate her. Don’t expect her to be a Dan Quayle goof. But don’t overestimate her either to the point you lose focus.

That was by far the worst acceptance speech I’ve seen. But it may have been effective and has gotten good reviews so what do I know?

But here’s my problem: What states does Obama win that Kerry didn’t?

Does anyone think that a population of people that didn’t rise up and toss out their leaders after it was reported they started a war on a sham and mainstreamed torture are going to give a shit about a politician invloved in a personnel issue?

-G

If it is proven that Governor Sarah Palin broke Alaska law to gain access to a state employee’s personnel file, and the fact of that violation is widely published, she could be hurt politically.

Bu.bu..but…Hillary did it, toooo!

WOW, I wish we had that on tape, could be a game-changer.

Maybe something like this?

Palin’s ties to VECO

She’s even more disgusting than I assumed.

comfort with political novelty

that sums it up.

what i was kinda thinking was that we are primed for a political change – we HATE deecee and we HATE bushco.

but are we primed for the cultural change the obama/biden ticket represents to the traditional order (age, race, experience, gender)?

if mccain/palin can sell themselves as political change plus cultural stability vs. obama/biden as cultural change plus political stability (deecee). that would be, imo, the worst possible branding.

As to Palin: I’d prefer a little more lipstick and a lot less pit bull. She’s not my kind of woman.

Get it out there. holy shit

hiya ET – check this out:

Docket Search

3PA-07-01581CI In the Matter of: Richter, Scott Alan and Richter, Deborah Marie

Docket Date Docket Text Amount Amount Due Images
09/04/2008 Order Denying Motion Case Motion #3: Motion to Make Case File Confidential 0.00 0.00
09/03/2008 Motion to Make Case File Confidential Attorney: Pro per (0100001) Scott Alan Richter (Petitioner); Case Motion #3 0.00 0.00
09/03/2008 Motion for Expedited Consideration of: Motion to Make Case File Confidential Attorney: Pro per (0100001) Case Motion #2 0.00 0.00 (my bold)

This the The First Dood’s business partner’s divorce case. Evidently, on or about 9-3-08, some “Emergency” came up which caused him to seek to have the records of his personal divorce sealed. hmmm…. There have been, if I’m not mistaken, some preliminary whisperings of an extra-marital affair involving Mrs. Palin?

Motion was denied – records thus still open to the public. You in that neighborhood?

http://www.courtrecords.alaska…..t?68762762

Jane – I’m on the fence with what you’re saying, I see your point but I feel that if we let up on her then we validate her.

I’m not convinced that she stirred anyone other than their base. I’m also confident that she’s going to come apart like a Yugo over the next few weeks.

I’ve made a new banner for their campaign over at http://sleepingdonkey.wordpress.com

-Monk

glad you’re back
and i hope you’re right

Unless the waitress comes out on the record (or someone else that heard Palin) it’s not very useful. But I wouldn’t doubt that she might have said it. She called a woman of Lebanese descent named Andree Macleod The Falafel Lady. She used to love Andree when the latter financially supported Palin’s campaigns and criticisms of others in Letters to the Editor. But she turned on her and started calling her crazy when the MacLeod approached her for a job.

This is an interesting exchange.

And I think some people are “emotionally” autistic, perhaps Palin, who are opportunistic and narcissistic, and a normal person attributes the more noble attribute of courage to them, but in reality their “courage” is nothing more than bravado encouraged by narcissism. Sociopathology has to do with consciencelessness. Like they call corporations psychopathic because they are so narcissistic, only taking care of their own needs, forget the common good.

Reagan after all those Death Valley Days tv shows could look into the camera and speak with confidence. People had been seduced by him long before he was president. He was the wise cowboy daddy.

Ollie North was vilified until he stepped in front of the camera, and was so confident in himself and his narrow-obsessed view, and so cleancut he impressed the very viewers disposed not to like him.

I read a book long ago on transactional analysis in which it says we relate to each other from 3 ego states. The parent, the adult, the child. Sometimes we relate our adult state to another’s adult state. Sometimes someone comes at us from a parent ego state and we suddenly answer from our child ego state.

But Eric Berne, the writer, said their is a sneaky part of the “child” ego state, which mimics the “parent state” tone and voice, and exploits that posture, even though it is really the willful, more self-serving child. It is called the “pig parent”, part of the child ego state. I see both McCain and Palin as coming from that “pig parent” posture. The “pig parent” tells the “other” what they are saying is for their own good, when it is really for the speaker’s advantage. And that “parent” voice tone often seduces others into being obedient/fearful/enthralled children. It is powerful. Especially if they were exposed to “pig parent” control from the authority figures in their lives.

Obama relates from adult to adult ego state. Far healthier, but not as enthralling. Not as enmeshing. Not as CODEPENDENT!

Alice Miller is an incredible psychoanalyst (?) who analyzes this stuff brilliantly. She writes about how more patriarchal societies with strict right/wrong religiosity and heavy-handed demand of obedience for its children, etc., (like Germany under Hitler), are ripe for dictatorial control. And people don’t always recognize they are compelled by strong-willed personalities because they FEAR them, are intimidated by them. They feel impacted, so it is a kind of distorted “love” interpretation.

Sorry to go on so much, but this stuff fascinates me. And both McCain and Palin come across as SUPERIOR, WILLFUL, and WANTING POWER OVER OTHERS. And very skillful at getting their ways.

I stand by my assertion that anyone who watched her speech and concluded that she would not be a formidable opponent is engaging in wishful thinking.

1) Early polling is an early snapshot, and everyone of these polls have been twitchy snapshots changing daily.

2) Le Palin is trying to run out the clock (60 days and counting) on actually answering a question from two groups of people commonly seen around elections: the press and the voters. Rick Davis’ strategy is to never let the continually contradictory McCain or the chronic liar Palin field a question from either group.

If the American public is as dumb about Palin as they have been about

If the account is true, people who think that way have trouble keeping it to themselves, in other words, it won’t be an isolated incident. Somebody must have a documented example, although if they don’t feel they have an ax to grind, they’re probably inclined to keep it to themselves. Hopefully, if she has a history of similar statements, something substantive will emerge soon.

Well said. I could hear those sounds as I read.

Yeah, this is so bad I almost don’t believe it. I’m not surprised by the allegation though. After all, she was gleeful in her mockery of people in her speech. It isn’t hard to imagine those disgusting words coming out of her mouth.

Sunday talking heads will have her? Might be a slip up opportunity.

They could do worse than run tonight’s Daily Show. Best demonstration of flip-flopping I’ve ever seen.

Didn’t the MSM “journalists” used to do this kind of compare-and-contrast?

Well, thank God for Jon Stewart.

Good news…why the extra time?

members of Congress, then they deserve the lying Evangelical antisimetic twit and her stupidity and McCain’s as leaders of an increasingly stupid, poorly educated country.

The only thing I’ve seen substantive from Palin is obstruction of Trooper Gate and reading Mark Salter’s words from a teleprompter.

The polls on Palin are empheral snapshots and her chronic tendancy to lie about the Bridge, collecting money, earmarks, selling the jet for a $600,000 loss to the state of Alaska and not on ebay as she lies about, but to one of her campaign contributors who got the jet at a $600,000 discount, her possible contrieved and faked preganacy as the mother of Trig “Palin” who might well be the son of the hockey kid with the following My Space taken down this week by the McCain campaign:

From the removed My Space page of one Levi Johnston who was hi-tech shotgunned into becoming Bristol Palen’s fiance. I give the marriage less than the 20 months that Palin has been governor of Alaska.

“I’m a fucking redneck who lies to snowboard and ride dirt bikes.

“But I live to play hockey. I like to go camping and hang out with the boys, do some fishing, shoot some shit just fucking chillin’ I guess.

“Ya fuck with me and I’ll kick ass.”

I don’t think they’d dare let her off the leash for even those, although if properly coached she could learn enough to give non answer answers. It will be the Obama people that make her ineffective, or breaking scandals. I think attacking her attacks is the best bet. That avoids getting nailed for being sexist and it gets mccain also… who, like it or not got into bed with this extremist. Im really just guessing here.. but im betting the Obamites know that they have time to come up with a tactic against lipstick-pit.

Unless i miss my guess we’ll see them respond next week.

The good doctor is a Gilbert and Sullivan fan I see–so am I. I met my better half by doing a G&S show.

To sit in solemn silence in a dull, dark dock
In a pestilential prison with a life-long lock;
Awaiting the sensation of a short, sharp shock
Of a cheap and chippy chopper on a big, black block.

Best vocal warm up there is.

that word would be pregnancy and in my experience there are a number of changes in a preganant woman including considerable growth of the uterus. It’s questionable this happened in the Palin twit and the daughter may well have been hiding the pregancy. From what I’ve seen of the possible father, I’d hide it too.

How ia the media going to compare voting records when McCain, Biden and Obama have the exact same record for most of the year. That is no record at all. Take a look at their record over the last several months. None of them of voted on anything. I am ticked off at all these senators, I wish I had a job that paid me that I didn’t have to go to.

Will never happen.

“Beauty Queens” are notoriously cold and calculating. They modify their bejavior to get hte outcome they want. Her polical sucess is based on “playing ball”. Marathon runners don’t quit. But if character matters she is bankrupt.
Her Fundy beliefs will not appeal to many Amricans as they do not represent a big slice of voting blocks, May more in states that are not contested.
On balance she is a negative to any national ticket. She filled a hole hole McSame.

You left out In a relationship. But I don’t want kids.

My grandmother managed the hotel where the D’Oyly Carte Company stayed while doing shows in Los Angeles. Every year we’d get great seats to see whatever they were doing that time.

This is the FIRST poll. Watch in 2 weeks. Give Americans time to see more of her — or NOT be able to.

I can’t even tell you how many polls I have seen that differ greatly, in their results, after a week or so.

After a month of disappearing, or giving the same tired, old insulting speech, her poll numbers will drop.

I will take it to the bank.

(And even if the MSM refuses to take her on, this is a golden opportunity for some up-and-coming journalist to get the scoop. Well, in her case, the scoopS.)

Thanks Teddy.

Since Morman Mitt Romney and Jewish Joe Lieberman seem to have ushered Sarah in with fealty speeches, I’m guessing that the hidden power players behind her candidacy are a Zealous Fundamentalist Christian group like DeVoss/Amway/Blackwater.

They, or someone like them, would have an interest in ‘producing’ an Authoritarian Leader Queen (h/t Hmmm) stealth candidate, marketed as an American Idol, believing that Two Supreme Court picks could very likely come open in the next four years.

And, they might want all that UE Power for themselves, too.

But, that’s just my speculation…ymmv

The Authoritarian Leader Queen is definitely a shell, an instrument for others to be used. Frankly, I would not be surprised if McCain is not expected to live all that long and the succession order is the point of all of this.

I think Gov Palin has recieved her first major leaguepitch. Right down the plate by that veteran pitcher Sen Joe Baiden. Who happens to have this side job as Vice Presidential candidate like Gov Palin on the opposition.
Biden made an announcement that if there are crimes, investigation and or prosecutions required by law if he and obama are elected. We will act as a nation of laws and no one is above the law. (paraphrased by me).

In No response did McCain or his camp retort. Matter of fact?

Did anyone see a pitbull in 3 inch high heels or even Palin Retort?

That is the first major league pitch palin saw and she she froze.

Gotta swing to hit the ball pitbull !!

Commented this below for Jane

http://cliffschecter.firedogla…..mment-8010

The choice for Sarah Palin for VP will ultimately, if McCain wins in Nov., result in the first military coup in U.S. history. The scenario: Should McCain be elected and should Palin become President after the death of McCain she will appoint Dick Cheney as her VP because of his unmatched “experience”. After a short time Palin will announce that, because of pressing “family matters” she will resign as President thereby handing over the office to her recently appointed VP, Dick Cheney. The military, already broken after 8 years of misrule and malfeasence by the previous Republican administration will step in and forceablly remove Cheney. Congress and the judicial branches will not be effected but a triumverate of military leaders will serve as the executive branch until such time they feel comfortable and confident about turning over the executive branch to civilian control.

Why lend credibility/exposure to a “Rasmussen” poll?

The Rasmussen poll is bought and paid for by the Republican Party.

No poll conducted by Rasmussen will ever reflect reality.

http://lawprofessors.typepad.c…..t_tru.html

Former Pollster Pleads Guilty to Fabricating Results

Tracy Costin, the former owner of polling company DataUSA Inc., entered a guilty plea to conspiracy to commit mail fraud for fabricating the results of polls the company conduct on behalf of, among others, President Bush in 2004.

http://lawprofessors.typepad.c…..lster.html

Come on Jane, she’s a shiny new pony. She’s being sequestered away so Lieberman (of all people) can instruct her in foreign policy. Problem with that is that a national campaign is not like going on “Jeopardy”; she’ll fold if she’s required to do anything other than regurgitate facts and figures.

You know, I saw her little talk yesterday – snarling at the end of her leash again, sneering at community organizers, and thought to myself that she is gonna get old, fast, especially when her Heatherish management style starts coming to light. Most of us have worked with or gone to school with Sarah Palin at one point, and that will catch up with her. Not, of course, for the Christian base – but they are non-starters for us, anyway.

That little sneer…something about that bothered me for a few minutes, and then the light came on – she’s a young Dick Cheney with tits!

With proper training, I think she could be worse than Bush.
She has THE SAME ignorant, narcissistic view of the world. “I’ll get mine, if I have to lie, cheat or steal, oh, and screw you.”

Oh yes I quite understand what will actually happen in a McCain-Palin campaign, but McCain has done some big promising, and it wasn’t going on before Palin came on. It’s their new theme–breaking china, and so they must be forced to get specific, name names, about the people in their own party they are going to go after. Who? And they need to be confronted with popularly well known abusers of power, high lobbied people from the legislative and administrative branches, and folks on K street even in their own campaign. Where’s the beef?

Demos will lose if they pull a Kerry – go silent on Palin for 35 days. Attack! Attack! Attack! Action this day! Do not understimate her “appeal” in the pink and purple states and congressional districts – especially among the under-informed voters who use feelings and labels, not thoughts and policies to vote.

Some attacks should be direct to Palin. Most attacks should use Palin’s flaws to attack McCain’s reckless judgment, rash impulsiveness, and superficial nature. Attack’s should turn Palin into an attractive poster child highlighting McCain’s flaws.

Sarah Palin the real thing. She is not made up to project a certain image. She is real.

Of Course she is not perfect…she is a politican. Of course she has done controversial things…she is a politican.

Look, when I have to chose who to vote for, I do not look for the perfect candidate-I look for the candidate witht the least flaws that I can live with. To me, Obama has some many flaws compared to Palin I can’t chose him.

Okay here are his flaws:

1. He uses the race card when he is in trouble
2. He lies CONSTANTLY
3. He went to a church headed by his “father” figure that believes (on a stack of bibles essentially) that God should damn American and His “son” wants to be president of that the US
4. His association with Ayers whose organization bombed police stations, judges homes, the capitol and the wanted to bomb the pentagon. And this Ayers guys started Obama’s political career in a 1995 fundrasier at Ayers house and they worked on bds together and Michelle is good friends and former co workers with Ayers wife also a known domestic terrorist. Again, this man wants to commander in chief.
5. Obama’s association with Rezko very troubling to me because Rezko is connected to Auchi (Iraq billionaire felon).
6. OBAMA was chosen by the DNC early on to be the demo nominee. that is the american people job not a select few dnc elites.

Sarah Palin flaws as much as I know now:
1) went to 6 colleges in 6 years
2) Fired the police chief who would not fire a trooper (her ex brother in law) who tasered his 11 yr stepson, threated to kill the governor’s father, has a file ful of reprimands, drunk on the job..etc.
3) her 17 yr old daughter (unmarried) is pregnant.
4)See uses the word God in political speeches
5) she believes creationism should be taught in school along side evolution
6) she had a down syndrome baby at 44.

That is the decision I have to make. I like McCain/Palin.

mostest,
I’ll let you in on a secret. When you get all of your information from nutjobs like hannity and rush, you’re going to be the leastest informed person in the discussion.

Your comments are laughably uninformed and/or disingenuous.

The first time she spoke to a national audience, Sarah Palin flat out lied, a lie that was trivially easy to debunk. She thinks a sanctimonious attitude and a nice outfit will sucker the American people into believing whatever lies she tells. Face it, she thinks she’s better than you, me and everyone she meets. I bet her only regret is that in Alaska she only gets to look down her nose at 700,000 people, so she’s trying to trade up to 300 million.

John McCain has no agenda and he sold his last shreds of credibility to get the republican nomination. He has tax and healthcare policies that will send our struggling economy into a death spiral (the top 0.5% of all earners excepted, of course).

That’s the choice you have, whether you want to admit it to yourself or not.

To me, Obama has some many flaws compared to Palin I can’t chose him.

Perhaps you’d be willing to spend more of your time with another “flaws” list between Obama and McCain, since they are the two running for President.

You’re obviously a very thoughtful person, and I know I could benefit from more of your insight. This is an especially important election, and don’t want to make any mistakes now, do we?

Unless Palin was first enrolled in the University of Hawaii at Hilo, where it does rain a lot, she was at the University of Hawaii campus in Honolulu, which is probably twenty blocks from the site of Hawaii Pacific College. Exactly the same climate. Hawaii Pacific is an expensive private school.

If she was in Hilo, why not transfer to the U of H’s Honolulu campus — unless she didn’t have the grades to get in. Even though the entrance requirements at U of H Honolulu are not that high, they are higher than those for the Hilo campus.

Something sounds fishy about her transfer to Hawaii Pacific after two weeks at U of H. I wonder if they discovered she did not have the grades or course work required to qualify.

We need to demand that her educational records be disclosed, I suspect they are the repository of more dirt — and more lies.

There are probably major flaws in all of our political candidates. My big problem with the Palin/MC Cain ticket comes when we get to the specific nuts and bolts about each ticket’s program. Except for rolling a few heads, all of whom have yet to be mentioned, it looks like the Republican ticket is offering the same exact stuff that the Bush ticket offered: cowboy militarism in lieu of foreign policy; lobbyist informed legislation; wedge interest divisiveness; abuses of power in government agencies; gas company supported energy and environmental policy; no whiff of a suggestion for how to meet health care; a tax code that rewards the wealthy, the corporations who export jobs, while basically does nothing new for everyone else, nor promote businesses that create American jobs.

I am sure, given that every politician is ambitious, perhaps Sarah Palin is not a specially ruthless version of that however given my biases and what I’ve seen so far of her record it seems so. And I do believe on one level or another, she really does want to be a public servant with the best interests of that part of America with which she is familiar. But I have to say: “where’s the beef?” Like John McCain, she appears to be all talk. What are they going to do to address the extraordinary, historical failure of the last 8 years. For me also, it’s a complete no brainer.

snarling at the end of her leash again,

very graphic!

I am very late to this forum, but had to post something. I recently heard an interview with someone who used to work for Gallup and recently came out with book skewering the whole polling practice. He was talking about how polling follows the narrative that news organizations want by giving the people only two choices, either they are for or against something, like or dislike it. There is almost never a third choice, like undecided. This is particularly misleading in early election polls. He gave the example of Gulliani who early in the primary led by a huge margin in Gallup polling. In essence the polling only asked which candidate you support. You were forced to choose someone. Gallup did their own internal analysis and determined that when people were given the option of saying they had not yet made up their mind, it was like 60%, and the remainder were distributed fairly evenly through the rest of the candidates. Gulliani being just one of the crowd. However, the fact that no one cared so much about the Republican primary over a year ago did not feed into the MSM narrative. They preferred to go with the scintillating story of Mr 9-11 a pro-choice cross-dresser leading the Republican race.

Obama, McCain, and Biden are known quantities, people are familiar with them and have had a chance to make up their mind. Palin’s numbers came after just a week in the National spotlight and a hugely hyped prime time speech. I would be curious if the poll of like/dislike gave a third option of: undecided. The point is that we should take a few deep breathes before we go hide under the bed. From everything I have read Sarah Palin is a vindictive, incurious, myopic, super-ambitious bully who treats government like her personal fiefdom. Sure sounds familiar. She is no more a hockey mom than George Bush, in fact their governing styles are nearly indiscernible, the key is to keep pounding this home. The refrain needs to be McCain = Bush, Palin = worse than Bush. If people overwhelmingly are exposed to the truth of her, those favorable numbers will plummet. Which is why the McCain campaign is putting all of its eggs into making her out to be the perfect wife, mother, Washington outsider, reformer, blah, blah, blah…and why we can’t let them succeed.

Jane, you are probably right. She is going to be a formidable candidate.
However, Sarah has made one mistake that can’t be fixed at this point. She has made a lot of enemies on her fast rise up the ladder. There are a lot of people in the Republican Party back in Alaska, more in the town of Wasilla, some personal and family enemies over her brother-in-law, and she didn’t vote for her mother-in-law when that lady ran for mayor. Add that to the problem that McCain is making for himself by hiding her out from press interviews and accusing the press of bias against her and her family. Someone is going to give up every piece of dirt out ther on this lady for reasons good and bad. We’ll see where that puts her candidacy.

If Sarah Palin seems familiar to you, here’s a piece you may find amusing.

http://libsguidepolsurviv.blogspot.com/

The only thing Palin knows about any issue foreign or domestic is that Rick Salter is writing the words for her to say on the teleprompter. She wouldn’t know Athens Georgia from Tiblisi if it bit her on her ass. Palin’s colleges 6/6 years raise questions and the answers will be forthcoming.

One huge flaw is that Palin is so dumb and uninformed that the RNC and McCain campaign are determined to ride out the 60 days with no questions put to her from anyone which includes the public (potential voters) or the media. She has company–McCain is equally dumb and he’s not answering any spontaneous questions either.

The debates are not going to determine why Obama will be in the White House but both of them are terrified of them with good reason.

She has been caught in emails and tapes violating the personnel and merit laws in the state of Alaska and the individual she caused to be fired was not a police chief–he was the Commissioner of Public safety.

Currently her attorney is seeking to subvert the laws by which a legislative committee, Senate Judiciary Committee in Alaska conducts an investigation. While any attorney can interview opposing side witnesses before a hearing or trial if they cooperate and if for some extraordinary reason a judge has not ordered them not to (and it would be rarer than the lottery) an attorney cannot try to preempt entire depositions to intimidate the witnesses into statements favorable to their client and then threaten them with purjery charges. That’s precisely what Palin’s attorney is attempting to do, and there are emergency legal remedies to stop this and his attempt to end run a public investigation and bring it before the Personnel Board that Palin hand picked for a secret one. What Palin is attempting to do here is not going to fly as the DNC and Obama camp begin to engage in this investigation the way the RNC and McCain campaign manager Rick Davis have since August 29.

The word God has no place in political speech period. It’s a religious belief with not a scintilla of scientific proof.

Granted science, including medicine is something that Palin and McCain believe is largely the enemy–hence their attempt to oppose any federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. This has resulted in approximately 20 of the most outstanding stem cell researchers in the U.S. to leave the US for places where the government supports it–notably Singapore where two top researchers, one of whom was

Creationism has been determined to be illegal by federal court it has been litigated before, In the case in the Eleventh Circuit before the remanded case could allow the judge to order it to be stopped, the Evangelical zealots who don’t understand separation of church and state since schools are regulated in large part by states (althouth it’s the parents who make or break the quality and they are failing in droves) were forced into a settlement agreement in which they removed all signs of creationism from text books. Teaching creationism in schools is one of many laws the twit Palen wants to break. Palin claims to take orders from a God no one can prove even exists, and religion shold have no role in governing. It’s an attempt to make the church a mommy or daddy for citizens and it’s failing.

A slogan you’ll soon hear is “Palin is flailin.”

In a three-year span, I attended four universities (two of them simultaneously) because those were the schools offering the courses I wanted to take. I didn’t have any “issues” or “time outs” so I’m not too sure jumping around is a red flag.

Granted science, including medicine is something that Palin and McCain believe is largely the enemy–hence their attempt to oppose any federal funding for embryonic stem cell research. This has resulted in approximately 20 of the most outstanding stem cell researchers in the U.S. to leave the US for places where the government supports it–notably Singapore where two top researchers, one of whom was Dean at the University of California at San Diego’s School of Medicine.

Singapore Acts as Haven for Stem Cell Research

Her 17 year old daughter is pregnant by a 17 year old twit and the forced marriage is a high tech lynching and because people like Palin oppose sex education the idiot didn’t learn to put a cap on his pecker when he dipped it and obviously neither Bristol or the kid has any idea about the timing of the menstraul cycle and the few days when an egg can be fertilized–nor in all probability does Sarah Palin.

It is not clear as yet, if the child with the Trisomy 21, Trigg, was fathered through an affair Palin had, or is in fact, one of her daughter’s kids.

To the degree you like McCain Palin, you have had superficial access to the news and their failure to grasp foreign and domestic affairs.

One consistent attribute Sarah Palin has already been discovered to exhibit is chronic lying. She never opposed the Road to Fucking Nowhere. In fact she lobbied heavily for the money, and campaigned heavily for soon to be in a federal prison Ted Stevens to get it. She is on numerous You Tubes campaigning for the meanest sumbitch in the US Senate full of mean sumbitches. She took the $233 million dollars of my tax money for the moronic idea, and proceeded to pretend later she was not lobbying for it. Currently there is an expensive access road being built to the bridge that is never going to exist. I’d call that a) completely fucking stupid b) purely delusional waste of funding. In fact, the state of Alaska, and Twit Palin , are continuing to build a road on Gravina Island to an empty beach where the bridge would have gone – because federal money for the access road, unlike the bridge money, would have otherwise been returned to the federal government.

McCain has bought into the chronic lying, because he was already proficient at it, and claimed she rejected the bridge. That’s another bold fuckking lie.

As to Obama, there is no race card. 20% of the poorly educated US has said they would vote against anyone who has African American blood. That’s called racial bigotry and stupidity. You have not cited because ignorance is bliss, one lie from Obama. I can site a litiny of lies from Palin and she has only been in the national spotlight less than two weeks and refuses to take questions from the press or voters. People in the witness protection program talk to the press more than Palin does–but they are better informed as to how the law works.

Palin’s church has preachers and speakers that make Reverand Wright look like a choir boy. With Palen’s fat ass in a pew two weeks ago, their Jews for Jesus preacher asserted that Israel was being punished by bombing attacks because they don’t believe in Jesus and the concept of his divinity.

Obama has severed all ties from Wright and Wright isn’t at the church anymore. Palen embraces the Jews for Jesus morons, and she is part of that church and supports their idiocy.

Obama’s “association with Ayers” when Ayers engaged in illegal activities was that Obama was an eight year old child who never heard of Ayres. Currently Ayres is as law abiding as you are, and perhaps more successful. He served on the same hospital board as Obama and the mission of that board was to fund hospital equipment. Last time I checked, most hospitals in Chicago treat people who are ill and are staffed by a variety of professions including physicians and nurses and my contact with medicine is that they often get very little sleep, wrestle with idiots from insurance companies, and endless paper work, and spend much of their waking moments trying to keep up with cutting edge medicine so that they can apply it to patient care. Many of them spend their free time calling patients in followup to ensure they are doing well or better, and do everything they can to answer their questions. They are not reimbursed for this time currently adequately per CPT, from medicare or medicaid and probably never will be.

I’d get the fuck off Ayres because it’s not going anywhere for McCain Palin. To me it’s a symptom of superficial Republican wingnut mantra–I don’t need a biopsy there.’

Obama’s association with Tony Rezko has been dissected 1000 ways to Christmas and in comparison with McCain’s Keating law breaking it’s a gnat on a freight train and it’s going fucking no where. I’d worry about Palin’s current vibrant association with indicted law breaker and soon convict Ted Stevens. His trial is next week before Judge Sullivan in D.C. District Court and will be heavily covered.

Obama wasn’t chosen by the DNC early on. It was one of the longest primaries in history. The DNC has byzantine rules that many of us have advocated reforming, and if you get educated you can advocate as well. Of far greater concern though is the voting machines by a company that continues to keep changing its name, formerly Deibold, that an enligthened middle school kid can hack. They are deployed widely in most states in this country. Republicans support them because the company formerly known as Diebold contributes hugely to them.

Here’s an additional tidbid for you to know now. Despite all the polls and some of the handwringing blogs on Sarah Palin and the dynamic of Rick Perlstein’s excellent book’s thematics as applied to Palin (Nixonland) by some very bright bloggers here’s one poll that matters to me. The others are snapshots and systemically flawed by all of the poor statistical biases inherent in their DNA.

By the electoral map, Obama is leading 240 to 148 over Twit McCain and Twit Palin and that’s growing every day.

An additional chronic lie by McCain and Palin is that Palin sold the Alaska state exec jet on ebay. In fact, she tried to sell it 3 times on ebay and failed, and finally sold it to one of her campaign contributors at a $600,000 loss to the state of Alaska and a net gain for her contributor.

She put it on ebay–she just forgot to add the truth that she couldn’t sell it on ebay and forfeited the ebay posting fee as well. She also left out the important point that the way she sold it cost her taxpayers more than a half a million bucks. Of course the truth was nothing to brag about, but when Palin/McCain brag the truth is a stranger. The plane that was an issue in Palin’s campaign against Frank Murkowski was sold to Lrry Reynolds, the owner of a sporting goods store and marine supply store in Valdez, and a Palin contributor.

http://www.politifact.com/trut…..ments/691/”>
“That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.”

All of those down trodden people McCain talked about helping in his Ambien laced monotone the other night were never on the minds of the tightlipped over-fed white people that made up well over 99.9999% of the Xcel Center –they were the people Obama helped as a “community organizer” after Columbia, and when he was able to file his own law suits for them after graduating from Harvard Law and passing the Illinois State Bar.

Before you label lies and truth to events, you might avail yourself of one of the many fact checking sites, like
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

The night before Palin was announced her Wikipedia article was altered no less than 30 times to alter facts to be construed as politically favorable to Twit Palin. When called on the fiction he/she imposed on the site, the McCain Palin campaign worker retired from Wiki: